Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Catholic sex abuse cases |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 17:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC) |
Requesting party | -- Eraserhead1 < talk> |
Mediator(s) | Xavexgoem ( talk) |
Comment | Closed? |
In alphabetical order:
The dispute is over whether the content of the article is pro or anti-catholic and how to move forward and improve the article and keep it neutral.
I'd like to stop the edit warring and constant reversions which occur a lot of the time when people make edits to both the talk page and the article itself.
It would be good if you can help to keep the discussion on topic and to make sure that everyone is behaving civilly towards those with differing opinions on the talk page. When this spills over into the article it would be nice if this didn't descend into edit warring over which WP:WRONGVERSION is in the article at the time.
Unfortunately I don't feel we can solve this issue on our own.
I'll take this case. Please sign here for acceptance:
Alright, before we proceed: I will be looking over the talk page archives on patterns of discussion. In the meantime, just for now, I request that both Farsight and 71.191.x.x abstain from focusing on each other. I would like to hear Farsight tell me what the BLP problem is, regardless of who's making them; and I would like to hear 71.191 interpretation of whichever policies, regardless of who's interpreting them falsely. I hope this is agreeable. Again, only for the time being. Xavexgoem ( talk) 16:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Carry on!
As bad as any dispute can be... and I've seen bad disputes... there's usually an element of "Z sees X saying something bad, and now everything X says is bad", which gives X an opportunity to hate on Z (downward spiral!). It's reductionist, I know. But the important thing for any mediation is content, not contributors. If I see personal attacks, or things readably perceived as personal attacks, I will remove them or issue a Firmly Worded And Vaguely Threatening Statement. If any user is such an issue, I suggest you take him or her to AN/I to get the broader community's opinion. Ultimately, the expectation is that everyone act as editors, not as pro- or anti-'s, etc. I don't want to hear accusations of how so-and-so isn't acting like an editor without solid evidence.
Again, I ask: Farsight, what is the BLP problem, and how is 71 abusing it? 71: how is Farsight misinterpreting the consensus of policy? Both of you can be as short or long as you want in your reply, but brevity is also the soul of a quickly ending dispute. Xavexgoem ( talk) 18:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC) Also: I can contain soapboxing, which is a regular occurrence in any dispute, so please don't worry about that for now; I also have the talkpage watched. And I'm thinking of moving the mediation over there anyway
Just saw this. Will post more later. I have talk page archives to go through to properly provide evidence, which will take several hours. And I have somewhere to go for the next few hours. In the time being, could someone perhaps explain to me in what way my words have crossed the line? The IP has been calling for my words to be deleted because he finds some issue with them, referring to specific wikipedia terminology as "street language". I wonder what is the issue? I was very careful until a few days ago when I first decided to just flat out call it vandalism. So again, I'll be back later with a lengthy post, but for now, can someone specify where the line was crossed word-wise? Farsight001 ( talk) 21:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Maybe its worth reducing the full-protection to semi-protection and seeing if the problems go away. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 20:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed that I had forgotten to answer the other question, which was in what way I felt 71 was violating BLP policy. And while it is probably mostly moot at this point, just in case you still wanted it - The answer to that is, for the most part, his insistence that yet to be closed cases be talked about as though a conviction already happened as well as the claim that the pope knowingly covered up abuse when all sources were thus far still speculative. The largest problem I saw in this regard was the insistence that the word "alleged" be removed from issues that really were still alleged, making them appear as concluded instead of still open. Farsight001 ( talk) 01:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
71 blocked for 1 week, per WP:TENDENTIOUS and WP:EDITWAR, particularly on a talk page. He can still create an account. Xavexgoem ( talk) 21:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Having semi-prot'd the article, I see no reason to keep this mediation going. If 71 continues to be a problem -- and of this, I still have my doubts -- please inform me. In the meantime, I'm closing. Xavexgoem ( talk) 18:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Catholic sex abuse cases |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 17:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC) |
Requesting party | -- Eraserhead1 < talk> |
Mediator(s) | Xavexgoem ( talk) |
Comment | Closed? |
In alphabetical order:
The dispute is over whether the content of the article is pro or anti-catholic and how to move forward and improve the article and keep it neutral.
I'd like to stop the edit warring and constant reversions which occur a lot of the time when people make edits to both the talk page and the article itself.
It would be good if you can help to keep the discussion on topic and to make sure that everyone is behaving civilly towards those with differing opinions on the talk page. When this spills over into the article it would be nice if this didn't descend into edit warring over which WP:WRONGVERSION is in the article at the time.
Unfortunately I don't feel we can solve this issue on our own.
I'll take this case. Please sign here for acceptance:
Alright, before we proceed: I will be looking over the talk page archives on patterns of discussion. In the meantime, just for now, I request that both Farsight and 71.191.x.x abstain from focusing on each other. I would like to hear Farsight tell me what the BLP problem is, regardless of who's making them; and I would like to hear 71.191 interpretation of whichever policies, regardless of who's interpreting them falsely. I hope this is agreeable. Again, only for the time being. Xavexgoem ( talk) 16:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Carry on!
As bad as any dispute can be... and I've seen bad disputes... there's usually an element of "Z sees X saying something bad, and now everything X says is bad", which gives X an opportunity to hate on Z (downward spiral!). It's reductionist, I know. But the important thing for any mediation is content, not contributors. If I see personal attacks, or things readably perceived as personal attacks, I will remove them or issue a Firmly Worded And Vaguely Threatening Statement. If any user is such an issue, I suggest you take him or her to AN/I to get the broader community's opinion. Ultimately, the expectation is that everyone act as editors, not as pro- or anti-'s, etc. I don't want to hear accusations of how so-and-so isn't acting like an editor without solid evidence.
Again, I ask: Farsight, what is the BLP problem, and how is 71 abusing it? 71: how is Farsight misinterpreting the consensus of policy? Both of you can be as short or long as you want in your reply, but brevity is also the soul of a quickly ending dispute. Xavexgoem ( talk) 18:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC) Also: I can contain soapboxing, which is a regular occurrence in any dispute, so please don't worry about that for now; I also have the talkpage watched. And I'm thinking of moving the mediation over there anyway
Just saw this. Will post more later. I have talk page archives to go through to properly provide evidence, which will take several hours. And I have somewhere to go for the next few hours. In the time being, could someone perhaps explain to me in what way my words have crossed the line? The IP has been calling for my words to be deleted because he finds some issue with them, referring to specific wikipedia terminology as "street language". I wonder what is the issue? I was very careful until a few days ago when I first decided to just flat out call it vandalism. So again, I'll be back later with a lengthy post, but for now, can someone specify where the line was crossed word-wise? Farsight001 ( talk) 21:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Maybe its worth reducing the full-protection to semi-protection and seeing if the problems go away. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 20:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed that I had forgotten to answer the other question, which was in what way I felt 71 was violating BLP policy. And while it is probably mostly moot at this point, just in case you still wanted it - The answer to that is, for the most part, his insistence that yet to be closed cases be talked about as though a conviction already happened as well as the claim that the pope knowingly covered up abuse when all sources were thus far still speculative. The largest problem I saw in this regard was the insistence that the word "alleged" be removed from issues that really were still alleged, making them appear as concluded instead of still open. Farsight001 ( talk) 01:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
71 blocked for 1 week, per WP:TENDENTIOUS and WP:EDITWAR, particularly on a talk page. He can still create an account. Xavexgoem ( talk) 21:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Having semi-prot'd the article, I see no reason to keep this mediation going. If 71 continues to be a problem -- and of this, I still have my doubts -- please inform me. In the meantime, I'm closing. Xavexgoem ( talk) 18:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)