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Article | Global Warming |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 20:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
Requesting party | Unknown |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Global_warming
The general tone of the article is extremely POV. Specifically, the primary disputes seem to occur between those who believe that the article should be strictly science based and those who feel that it should be a combination of science and policy (ie a wider range of topics.) There is also a 'culture of revision' such that the regular editors of the page (and there are multiple editors) immediately revert comments which are not extremely Pro AGW.
SM8900 Short Brigade Harvester Boris Kim D. Petersen Dikstr Scjessey KillerChihuahua Stephan Schulz Brittainia Mytwocents DroEsperanto BozMo William M. Connolley Manticore55 Ludwigs2
There are three consistent realms of dispute based on my observation:
1) What is the central focus of the article? Some users state that the focus of the article should be on the science of Global warming with a small section on Criticism, while others want criticisms to be included within the mainstream of the article.
This is important, because if the article is about science, then criticisms have no place within it since they have no real basis in science. However, if the focus of the article is not on science but on the over arching subject, then AGW skeptics have a point in including such sources within the article.
2) The content of the lead.
There seems to be a (from my perspective) unresolvable difference between what should and should not be in the lead. Consensus does not seem to be anywhere near being achieved, with the primary article author's/editors immediately reverting things they don't like. There is no revert warring going on but it seems to be close.
3) Borderline bad faith on both sides.
Many of the AGW skeptics have used bad faith tactics in the past which seems to lead to hypersensitivity on the part of the article editor/defenders. Reversions without discussion frequently take place to the point that many of the more reasonable critics of the article seem to have simply given up in disgust.
Five points.
1) What is the article about? Is it a science article or a policy article? Is it about Global warming as it affects science or is it about Global warming as a larger issue as perceived by the public.
2) Are questionable reversion tactics being used to create an atmosphere of intimidation on those who express legitimate concerns of the article?
3) I would like to have a totally fresh perspective on the article.
4) Resolve the Lede.
5) Resolve whether or not 'climate gate' should be included in the article and to what extent it should or should not be included.
I think a new perspective would be helpful.
To be completely blunt with you all, no one is going to take up this case, at least not at MedCab. If you want even the prospect of mediation, I'd advise MedCom. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I might be willing to accept this one. Have all parties been notified and agreed to mediation? The Wordsmith Communicate 06:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I would be willing to work with The Wordsmith on this one, maybe to see whether we can get more of the arguing split off into the Global warming controversy page. That appears to be a relatively even-handed discussion of the issue. Forsakendaemon ( talk) 05:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not interested in being involved in the mediation of this article, and quite frankly I have no idea why I have been listed as "involved" in the "dispute". I have made a total of 2 article edits ( diff1, diff2) and a total of 17 talk page edits. I haven't edited either in over a month and it is not an article on my watchlist. If there is an ongoing dispute there, I am not a part of it. -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
It isn't clear to me that this proposal has any credibility (I refer to the mediation request, not to the mediators). It was created by User:Manticore55 [1], whose only edit to Global warming is this [2], which is absurd, and who has made no edits at all in 2010 William M. Connolley ( talk) 21:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
< The Global warming talk page averages over 400 page views a day. The first table shows the top editors for the GW main article page, for the past 2 months. These statisics include when the page was locked. The bulk of the edits shown here were probably undone by a handful of editors within minutes of posting. The second table shows the top talk page contributors going all the way back. It appears that William M. Connolley has made the most edits. The very first edit of the GW article [3]on January 14, 2002 included a 'Sources Bias'section, with this lede Because global warming is a controversial issue, every source of information has been accused, in one time or another, of having some kind of bias.. The earliest article may serve as a very rough guidline to a more balanced article 6 years after it's creation.
See Contributors table 1 and 2 |
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Mytwocents ( talk) 01:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Global Warming |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 20:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
Requesting party | Unknown |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Global_warming
The general tone of the article is extremely POV. Specifically, the primary disputes seem to occur between those who believe that the article should be strictly science based and those who feel that it should be a combination of science and policy (ie a wider range of topics.) There is also a 'culture of revision' such that the regular editors of the page (and there are multiple editors) immediately revert comments which are not extremely Pro AGW.
SM8900 Short Brigade Harvester Boris Kim D. Petersen Dikstr Scjessey KillerChihuahua Stephan Schulz Brittainia Mytwocents DroEsperanto BozMo William M. Connolley Manticore55 Ludwigs2
There are three consistent realms of dispute based on my observation:
1) What is the central focus of the article? Some users state that the focus of the article should be on the science of Global warming with a small section on Criticism, while others want criticisms to be included within the mainstream of the article.
This is important, because if the article is about science, then criticisms have no place within it since they have no real basis in science. However, if the focus of the article is not on science but on the over arching subject, then AGW skeptics have a point in including such sources within the article.
2) The content of the lead.
There seems to be a (from my perspective) unresolvable difference between what should and should not be in the lead. Consensus does not seem to be anywhere near being achieved, with the primary article author's/editors immediately reverting things they don't like. There is no revert warring going on but it seems to be close.
3) Borderline bad faith on both sides.
Many of the AGW skeptics have used bad faith tactics in the past which seems to lead to hypersensitivity on the part of the article editor/defenders. Reversions without discussion frequently take place to the point that many of the more reasonable critics of the article seem to have simply given up in disgust.
Five points.
1) What is the article about? Is it a science article or a policy article? Is it about Global warming as it affects science or is it about Global warming as a larger issue as perceived by the public.
2) Are questionable reversion tactics being used to create an atmosphere of intimidation on those who express legitimate concerns of the article?
3) I would like to have a totally fresh perspective on the article.
4) Resolve the Lede.
5) Resolve whether or not 'climate gate' should be included in the article and to what extent it should or should not be included.
I think a new perspective would be helpful.
To be completely blunt with you all, no one is going to take up this case, at least not at MedCab. If you want even the prospect of mediation, I'd advise MedCom. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I might be willing to accept this one. Have all parties been notified and agreed to mediation? The Wordsmith Communicate 06:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I would be willing to work with The Wordsmith on this one, maybe to see whether we can get more of the arguing split off into the Global warming controversy page. That appears to be a relatively even-handed discussion of the issue. Forsakendaemon ( talk) 05:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not interested in being involved in the mediation of this article, and quite frankly I have no idea why I have been listed as "involved" in the "dispute". I have made a total of 2 article edits ( diff1, diff2) and a total of 17 talk page edits. I haven't edited either in over a month and it is not an article on my watchlist. If there is an ongoing dispute there, I am not a part of it. -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
It isn't clear to me that this proposal has any credibility (I refer to the mediation request, not to the mediators). It was created by User:Manticore55 [1], whose only edit to Global warming is this [2], which is absurd, and who has made no edits at all in 2010 William M. Connolley ( talk) 21:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
< The Global warming talk page averages over 400 page views a day. The first table shows the top editors for the GW main article page, for the past 2 months. These statisics include when the page was locked. The bulk of the edits shown here were probably undone by a handful of editors within minutes of posting. The second table shows the top talk page contributors going all the way back. It appears that William M. Connolley has made the most edits. The very first edit of the GW article [3]on January 14, 2002 included a 'Sources Bias'section, with this lede Because global warming is a controversial issue, every source of information has been accused, in one time or another, of having some kind of bias.. The earliest article may serve as a very rough guidline to a more balanced article 6 years after it's creation.
See Contributors table 1 and 2 |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
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Mytwocents ( talk) 01:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)