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Request Information
- Request made by: Xinit 19:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Red Hot Chili Peppers, and invitations to discuss the issue have been met with little success on the Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers
- Who's involved?
- ReadyMade, Xinit, Maxcap, and non-users from source IPs 88.110.115.216, 88.111.134.163, 85.102.129.72, 210.56.69.12 and others.
- What's going on?
- Re-adding of questionable external links to band fan sites, in English and other languages, removal of warnings and requests for dialog.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I can see having one fan site listed, but there's some amount of dispute between two of the fan sites, trying to have their own fan sites listed to the exclusion of the others. All I'd like to see is a sane discussion of why any one particular fan site should be listed, citing how it meets the criteria of WP:EL. I'd really prefer to not be insulted by those site owners and their sock puppets when their sites are removed.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- ...
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- Always possible.
Mediator response
Hi, I am Adam and I have taken this case. I prefer that we discuss this matter on Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ideogram 07:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Mediation failed. Blocked participant ReadyMade, posting anonymously from 172.209.222.166, refused to stop making personal attacks. In addition, two anonymous accounts reinserted disputed links while the mediation was in process. Now exploring further options with requestor. Ideogram 20:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
172.209.222.166 added controversial external fansite link again. Ideogram 12:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Cowman has taken over. I will no longer be mediating this case. Ideogram 15:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
A compromise has been provided with little response, so I am closing the case as the matter at hand is apparently no longer relevant. People appear content with the current state of things by having no links to fansites at all. Should further trouble arise, both pages will remain on my watchlist (though leaving me a note on my talk page would be best). Thanks. Cowman109 Talk 15:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Evidence
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Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Evidence}} for misconduct and {{
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3RR violations. If you need
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Wikipedia:Etiquette: Although it's understandably difficult in a heated argument, if the other party is not as civil as you'd like them to be, make sure to be more civil than him or her, not less.
Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.
Comments by others
While using the talk page of the article in question to solve a dispute is encouraged to involve a larger audience, feel free to discuss the case below if that is not possible. Other mediators are also encouraged to join in on the discussion as Wikipedia is based on consensus.
Discussion
Please observe Wikipedia:Etiquette and Talk Page Etiquette in disputes. If you submit complaints or insults your edits are likely to be removed by the mediator, any other refactoring of the mediation case by anybody but the mediator is likely to be reverted. If you are not satisfied with the mediation procedure please submit your complaints to Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal.
Request Information
- Request made by: Xinit 19:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Red Hot Chili Peppers, and invitations to discuss the issue have been met with little success on the Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers
- Who's involved?
- ReadyMade, Xinit, Maxcap, and non-users from source IPs 88.110.115.216, 88.111.134.163, 85.102.129.72, 210.56.69.12 and others.
- What's going on?
- Re-adding of questionable external links to band fan sites, in English and other languages, removal of warnings and requests for dialog.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I can see having one fan site listed, but there's some amount of dispute between two of the fan sites, trying to have their own fan sites listed to the exclusion of the others. All I'd like to see is a sane discussion of why any one particular fan site should be listed, citing how it meets the criteria of WP:EL. I'd really prefer to not be insulted by those site owners and their sock puppets when their sites are removed.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- ...
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- Always possible.
Mediator response
Hi, I am Adam and I have taken this case. I prefer that we discuss this matter on Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ideogram 07:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Mediation failed. Blocked participant ReadyMade, posting anonymously from 172.209.222.166, refused to stop making personal attacks. In addition, two anonymous accounts reinserted disputed links while the mediation was in process. Now exploring further options with requestor. Ideogram 20:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
172.209.222.166 added controversial external fansite link again. Ideogram 12:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Cowman has taken over. I will no longer be mediating this case. Ideogram 15:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
A compromise has been provided with little response, so I am closing the case as the matter at hand is apparently no longer relevant. People appear content with the current state of things by having no links to fansites at all. Should further trouble arise, both pages will remain on my watchlist (though leaving me a note on my talk page would be best). Thanks. Cowman109 Talk 15:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Evidence
Please report evidence in this section with {{
Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Evidence}} for misconduct and {{
Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Evidence3RR}} for
3RR violations. If you need
help ask a
mediator or an
advocate. Evidence is of limited use in mediation as the mediator has no authority. Providing some evidence may, however, be useful in making both sides act more civil.
Wikipedia:Etiquette: Although it's understandably difficult in a heated argument, if the other party is not as civil as you'd like them to be, make sure to be more civil than him or her, not less.
Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.
Comments by others
While using the talk page of the article in question to solve a dispute is encouraged to involve a larger audience, feel free to discuss the case below if that is not possible. Other mediators are also encouraged to join in on the discussion as Wikipedia is based on consensus.