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What about this site? They seem to have all of their writers with full names, but I don't know Spanish so I can't check fully. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I assume all books from established publishers (obviously not self-published books) are okay as reliable sources? I've added to a couple of Road Warrior-related articles using The Road Warriors: Danger, Death, and the Rush of Wrestling as a source. Just didn't see any notes on the main project page regarding books. Might be worth it to add a paragraph about it! Ewen Douglas ( talk) 18:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Would it be possible for us to start a discussion on why Bleacher Report is considered unreliable? I have long noticed that they are often referenced on WWE programming for their reporting as well as opinion columns and analyses. KyleJoan talk 06:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
But how do we discern which sites are OK to link to if they're all under the same section (i.e. unreliable sources)? I guess my point is if there's some leeway for discretion to be used to cite BR, then is it truly an unreliable source? KyleJoan talk 11:05, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
This is the largest Italian language wrestling magazine, it has a website that reports news too. Feelings? ★Trekker ( talk) 15:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
This site (The Wrestling Mania) seems to take itself seriously and they claim to not report on rumors according to their about page. But I can't find if they have staff or editors. Anyone know anything? ★Trekker ( talk) 12:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I have seen them referenced a lot today due to this [1] news item. Have never heard of them before. Anyone know them? Here is there about page [2]. Here is what they look for in writers [3]. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Seems reliable to me. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 12:15, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Been curious about the validity of the Puroresu Central website, a large database of Japanese wrestler profiles, match results and reviews etc. Looks to be run by a guy called Kevin Wilson and the site hasn’t been updated for some years. Even though it’s defunct and seems to be run by one guy, it still has a vast amount of info. Any thoughts? Ducktech89 ( talk) 23 August 2019, 9:34 (UTC)
I have recently acquired ebook copies of Chris Charlton's two books on pro wrestling, Lion's Pride: The Turbulent History of New Japan Pro Wrestling and EGGSHELLS: Pro Wrestling in the Tokyo Dome. Both of these have been acclaimed in the wrestling sphere (the latter won WON Book of the Year, and the former got Charlton a job at NJPW), and his sources are well-cited within the text. However, since the books are self-published I hesitate to use them as sources (well, also there's also the fact that the Kindle files I purchased don't contain page numbers and I don't know how to work around that, but that's another matter). Would Charlton's credentials be sufficient to consider him an expert, and therefore make citing his books (at least alongside some of the sources they cite) acceptable by Wikipedia's standards? TarkovskyFanX957 ( talk) 06:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the list of sources and Online Onslaught is in the unproven section. If we only use them for WWE results, that would mean we can put them in limited reliability. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I have seen 411Mania used several times, usually in the reception section for PPVs and events. Should we include 411Mania as reliable for opinion? Right now it's limited, but I don't know if that means their columns are usefull for reception with Pro Wrestlers. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
How reliable is the website wrestingdata.com considered to be when it comes to WP:BLPs about professional wrestlers? Someone claiming to be a family member of Bryan Clark recently made this change to the article. A citation to wrestling.com is given for the current article content, but I'm not reliable that website is considered. Another IP ( 72.201.0.109) claimimg to be Clark himself has also recently been trying to remove certain content from the article, but this IP did not try to change Clark's place of birth. That doesn't automatically make wrestingdata.com a RS, but it's bit odd that Clark himself wouldn't try to something as basic as "place of birth" if it was incorrect. Anyway, perhaps some members from this WikiProject can take a look at the article and try and figure out if the changes being attempted by these two IPs are worth further discussion. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- We have Wrestling Data down as an unproven website ( WP:PW/RS). Even if everything was deemed reliable, I wouldn't trust it for things like personal details, similar to how we treat cage match.net. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for that bit of info Lee Vilenski. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions on what to do about the information in the infobox related to Clark's birthplace then? Just remove it completely since the source cited doesn't appear to be "unproven"? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- WP:DOB and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Birth date and place is the policy in question.
With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, people increasingly regard their full names and dates of birth as private. Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it. In a similar vein, articles should not include postal addresses, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other contact information for living persons, although links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted. See § Avoid misuse of primary sources regarding the misuse of primary sources to obtain personal information about subjects.
- In an ideal world, we would remove all unsourced information in a BLP (and, potentially all articles). However, in practice this doesn't work. If there are no sources regarding the DOB/POB, it should probably be removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Marchjuly: This should be on the sources talk page. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @ Fishhead2100:. Thanks for that suggestion. I didn't realize there was a separate page for discussing sources. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The above discussion was originally at WT:PW, but I've moved it here as suggested. I am trying to assess the reliability of "wrestlingdata.com" as it's being used in Bryan Clark. Any input about this would be appreciated. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I was checking out BodySlam.net to see if it is reliable and I noticed on their article from False Finish about Enzo Amore's firing that they are highly unprofessional with a terrible headline. False Finish is supposed to be satire a publication on BodySlam.net, but they are not even good satire. The note beside their entry in the unproven section, it says "seems to have named staff." But the only one of note is Phil Stamper as he is in the known on a lot of independent wrestling events in the northeast and even into the Midwest. Their other authors/journalists are not notable. I don't see them posting anything WWE based that you can't find on other websites. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 23:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
They reported a fake story involving Samoa Joe. They didn't initially retract when reliable sources debunked the story, just reported "conflicting reports". They finally reported on "quashed rumors" when Joe returned to action a few days later. [4] This source may be totally unreliable. LM2000 ( talk) 23:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
A few days ago, the Slam! Sports section of Canoe.com was announced as defunct and the writers of the site have launched their new webpage, slamwrestling.net. Thoughts on this? Unsure if it is still a reliable source as they have sourced Sportskeeda, a untrusted site, in one of their new articles. DTH89( sexy talk page) 10:57, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
This is another Spanish-language source. I can't really make out myself if it has any reliability. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
...And apparently have had for years. The sites in question are:
[The following are defunct, and per Wayback, were sister sites that promoted each other on their homepages [5] [6] [7]. WZR was headed by Ryan Clark, who is listed as an unreliable author, albeit with no citation.]
These sites publish(ed) a lot of content and have been used as references, so it would be good to firmly establish whether or not they – and Clark himself – should have a presence on Wikipedia. From perusing the aforementioned outlets, they either deal in rumour/sensationalism or lack a documented editorial process, so I don't see an issue with labelling them as unreliable. Thanks for weighing in. Dory Funk ( talk) 02:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
The Alexander Hammerstone article has references from Last Word on Pro Wrestling. I don't know if they are reliable. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 02:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Definitely unreliable, which is why I added it. Galatz removed it for a consensus. The managing editor is Jamie Greer who used to work for established unreliable source Wrestlezone. Rich Laconi doesn't appear to have any credentials alongside Greer. Recommend strongly as an unreliable source. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I wouldn't put much stock in this project's list of "unreliable" sources, as much of it has been assembled by editors with a flawed understanding of reliable sources. Many sources found their way onto the list based on incorrectly reporting a single fact, which does not mean that they should be considered unreliable. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 08:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Specifically, User:Galatz and I disagree over whether this article: Matthews, Graham (June 1, 2018). "B-Team's Success Represents How Little WWE Cares About Tag Team Division on Raw". Bleacher Report., can be used for this purpose with respect to The B-Team (professional wrestling). BD2412 T 18:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Another user and I are trying to improve Carlito's article. However, we don't have sources for Puerto Rico. What do you think about https://www.prwrestling.com/nw/ ? It was a lot of PR events, so it would be usefull for several articles. Do you think is reliable? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. At WrestleMania 36, it was pointed that while every source said they didn't know the date when the matches took place, Cagematch said that every match was filmed in order. Now, the problem stills. We don't know when title changed took place ( ROH, Heritage Cup), but Cagematch includes the date when the match aired as the date when the match took place. Should we include a note in the table like "Do not use for dates if the information is unkown"? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
If you're on an article and see an unreliable or unproven source, change it or remove it. Don't look at it and think someone else will deal with it. I added Nick Patrick to List of former WWE personnel (N–R) and found such sources for other entries. I either changed or removed them. We should be more of a stickler with sources in terms of not letting them slip through the cracks. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:10, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Heel by Nature does have some staff, but most articles are written by "HBN Staff." Other articles are written by "Jake" or "Joey G." Using full names is the professional thing to do. They have used Wrestling Observer as a source in the articles I checked, but no other sources listed as reliable or partially reliable were used.
Wrestle Votes is a Twitter account that has been credited with breaking stories. This account has been used as a source on some sites. Being as it's a Twitter account, the fact checking methods are next to impossible to find out. Generally, social media is not to be used as a source.
With that being said, these two should be listed as unreliable. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 09:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
You list Bodyslam and two other sites as unreliable because they reported Samoa Joe was suspended then another source said he wasnt, making them "unreliable", but he *was* suspended. they reported it in february, others said "nah no he isnt", then a week later he was suspended. Muur ( talk) 10:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Proposal: Add Last Word on Pro Wrestling to the unreliable source list.
Other users have alleged poor quality articles. As I previously mentioned the managing editor is Jamie Greer who used to work for established unreliable source Wrestlezone. Rich Laconi doesn't appear to have any credentials alongside Greer. If no one objects, I believe it would be time to be bold and add it per my proposal. There doesn't appear to be much interest in defending the site after my comment from a little over two months ago. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Just a query. I seem to recall that this website is generally frowned upon due to user generated content. However the article on it on WP ( IMDb.com) suggests that there may be oversight on it now. I'm asking because it has been used as a source on List of Impact Wrestling personnel with regard to Masha Slamovich and her real name. I'm going to add an unreliable source? tag to it while waiting for some views here (and fix the link while I'm about it). Also note that the tag may be removed and I may need help to maintain it until this issue is sorted out either with some guidance or a consensus. Addicted4517 ( talk) 08:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Looking for sources outside the usual official promotion sites, Cagematch, etc. for show results, I came upon Wrestling Recaps. It doesn't have news, but does have magazine and shoot/interview transcripts. They do have a list of writers. They have links to sites that are not reliable or generally shouldn't be used unless it's for certain things like results. I will be looking it over for results for title histories that I create. I am all for putting it in limited reliability just for results. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 17:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Pro Wrestling Sheet was previously deemed reliable because Ryan Satin was its lead editor. He left there some time ago, and the site apparently got rebranded into The Sportster. We discussed Sportster on WT:PW awhile back (I wasn't aware about the rebranding at the time), and most of us were in agreement that it clearly is not reliable. [10] I would support listing the Satin era (2015-2018) as reliable, but everything after that is either unproven or completely unreliable. LM2000 ( talk) 12:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Some piece of information which I would like to add to some article or other is backed by a certain program (formerly a DVD?) I watched on the Network. Can I refer to that as a footnote, or is that discouraged (e.g. because it requires paid subscription)? Thanks. כרסומת ( talk) 14:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone direct me to a discussion that might have been used to determined whether or not to the Observer as a reliable source? I have watched several podcasts where wrestling experts and producers have said that Dave is completely unreliable and had spread rumors and speculation constantly over the years. Jeremyeyork ( talk) 00:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
no one outside WP:PW community will accept a dirt sheet writer as accurate.As I explained above, he is the first person mainstream media interview when something happens in the wrestling world – so he's even considered reliable outside of wrestling. And no, I don't think neutral members of Wikipedia would agree with you as you exposed your own bias against him earlier. — Czello ( music) 08:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Just to put a lid on this - one point. It's a bit unfair to compare a single person (Meltzer) to a company/organisation (BBC or New York Times). But aside from that I think we have a consensus on Meltzer being reliable. With that in mind, I think once this is archived that we should stick a redirect in so if anyone comes in with the same query in the future we have a reference point. Addicted4517 ( talk) 11:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC
As this website isn't on the list I thought I should throw it to the group for their thoughts. It has been used on The Mighty Don't Kneel article to prove past membership. I'm a skeptic of this but I'm not going to add it to the unreliable source list without a consensus. Here is the site. Addicted4517 ( talk) 05:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey I would like to know if a website is reliable as I could not find it in your list. The website is itrwrestling.com. Shadow345110 (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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What about this site? They seem to have all of their writers with full names, but I don't know Spanish so I can't check fully. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I assume all books from established publishers (obviously not self-published books) are okay as reliable sources? I've added to a couple of Road Warrior-related articles using The Road Warriors: Danger, Death, and the Rush of Wrestling as a source. Just didn't see any notes on the main project page regarding books. Might be worth it to add a paragraph about it! Ewen Douglas ( talk) 18:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Would it be possible for us to start a discussion on why Bleacher Report is considered unreliable? I have long noticed that they are often referenced on WWE programming for their reporting as well as opinion columns and analyses. KyleJoan talk 06:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
But how do we discern which sites are OK to link to if they're all under the same section (i.e. unreliable sources)? I guess my point is if there's some leeway for discretion to be used to cite BR, then is it truly an unreliable source? KyleJoan talk 11:05, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
This is the largest Italian language wrestling magazine, it has a website that reports news too. Feelings? ★Trekker ( talk) 15:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
This site (The Wrestling Mania) seems to take itself seriously and they claim to not report on rumors according to their about page. But I can't find if they have staff or editors. Anyone know anything? ★Trekker ( talk) 12:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I have seen them referenced a lot today due to this [1] news item. Have never heard of them before. Anyone know them? Here is there about page [2]. Here is what they look for in writers [3]. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Seems reliable to me. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 12:15, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Been curious about the validity of the Puroresu Central website, a large database of Japanese wrestler profiles, match results and reviews etc. Looks to be run by a guy called Kevin Wilson and the site hasn’t been updated for some years. Even though it’s defunct and seems to be run by one guy, it still has a vast amount of info. Any thoughts? Ducktech89 ( talk) 23 August 2019, 9:34 (UTC)
I have recently acquired ebook copies of Chris Charlton's two books on pro wrestling, Lion's Pride: The Turbulent History of New Japan Pro Wrestling and EGGSHELLS: Pro Wrestling in the Tokyo Dome. Both of these have been acclaimed in the wrestling sphere (the latter won WON Book of the Year, and the former got Charlton a job at NJPW), and his sources are well-cited within the text. However, since the books are self-published I hesitate to use them as sources (well, also there's also the fact that the Kindle files I purchased don't contain page numbers and I don't know how to work around that, but that's another matter). Would Charlton's credentials be sufficient to consider him an expert, and therefore make citing his books (at least alongside some of the sources they cite) acceptable by Wikipedia's standards? TarkovskyFanX957 ( talk) 06:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the list of sources and Online Onslaught is in the unproven section. If we only use them for WWE results, that would mean we can put them in limited reliability. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I have seen 411Mania used several times, usually in the reception section for PPVs and events. Should we include 411Mania as reliable for opinion? Right now it's limited, but I don't know if that means their columns are usefull for reception with Pro Wrestlers. -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
How reliable is the website wrestingdata.com considered to be when it comes to WP:BLPs about professional wrestlers? Someone claiming to be a family member of Bryan Clark recently made this change to the article. A citation to wrestling.com is given for the current article content, but I'm not reliable that website is considered. Another IP ( 72.201.0.109) claimimg to be Clark himself has also recently been trying to remove certain content from the article, but this IP did not try to change Clark's place of birth. That doesn't automatically make wrestingdata.com a RS, but it's bit odd that Clark himself wouldn't try to something as basic as "place of birth" if it was incorrect. Anyway, perhaps some members from this WikiProject can take a look at the article and try and figure out if the changes being attempted by these two IPs are worth further discussion. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- We have Wrestling Data down as an unproven website ( WP:PW/RS). Even if everything was deemed reliable, I wouldn't trust it for things like personal details, similar to how we treat cage match.net. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for that bit of info Lee Vilenski. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions on what to do about the information in the infobox related to Clark's birthplace then? Just remove it completely since the source cited doesn't appear to be "unproven"? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- WP:DOB and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Birth date and place is the policy in question.
With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, people increasingly regard their full names and dates of birth as private. Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it. In a similar vein, articles should not include postal addresses, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other contact information for living persons, although links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted. See § Avoid misuse of primary sources regarding the misuse of primary sources to obtain personal information about subjects.
- In an ideal world, we would remove all unsourced information in a BLP (and, potentially all articles). However, in practice this doesn't work. If there are no sources regarding the DOB/POB, it should probably be removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Marchjuly: This should be on the sources talk page. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 01:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @ Fishhead2100:. Thanks for that suggestion. I didn't realize there was a separate page for discussing sources. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The above discussion was originally at WT:PW, but I've moved it here as suggested. I am trying to assess the reliability of "wrestlingdata.com" as it's being used in Bryan Clark. Any input about this would be appreciated. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I was checking out BodySlam.net to see if it is reliable and I noticed on their article from False Finish about Enzo Amore's firing that they are highly unprofessional with a terrible headline. False Finish is supposed to be satire a publication on BodySlam.net, but they are not even good satire. The note beside their entry in the unproven section, it says "seems to have named staff." But the only one of note is Phil Stamper as he is in the known on a lot of independent wrestling events in the northeast and even into the Midwest. Their other authors/journalists are not notable. I don't see them posting anything WWE based that you can't find on other websites. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 23:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
They reported a fake story involving Samoa Joe. They didn't initially retract when reliable sources debunked the story, just reported "conflicting reports". They finally reported on "quashed rumors" when Joe returned to action a few days later. [4] This source may be totally unreliable. LM2000 ( talk) 23:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
A few days ago, the Slam! Sports section of Canoe.com was announced as defunct and the writers of the site have launched their new webpage, slamwrestling.net. Thoughts on this? Unsure if it is still a reliable source as they have sourced Sportskeeda, a untrusted site, in one of their new articles. DTH89( sexy talk page) 10:57, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
This is another Spanish-language source. I can't really make out myself if it has any reliability. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
...And apparently have had for years. The sites in question are:
[The following are defunct, and per Wayback, were sister sites that promoted each other on their homepages [5] [6] [7]. WZR was headed by Ryan Clark, who is listed as an unreliable author, albeit with no citation.]
These sites publish(ed) a lot of content and have been used as references, so it would be good to firmly establish whether or not they – and Clark himself – should have a presence on Wikipedia. From perusing the aforementioned outlets, they either deal in rumour/sensationalism or lack a documented editorial process, so I don't see an issue with labelling them as unreliable. Thanks for weighing in. Dory Funk ( talk) 02:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
The Alexander Hammerstone article has references from Last Word on Pro Wrestling. I don't know if they are reliable. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 02:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Definitely unreliable, which is why I added it. Galatz removed it for a consensus. The managing editor is Jamie Greer who used to work for established unreliable source Wrestlezone. Rich Laconi doesn't appear to have any credentials alongside Greer. Recommend strongly as an unreliable source. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I wouldn't put much stock in this project's list of "unreliable" sources, as much of it has been assembled by editors with a flawed understanding of reliable sources. Many sources found their way onto the list based on incorrectly reporting a single fact, which does not mean that they should be considered unreliable. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 08:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Specifically, User:Galatz and I disagree over whether this article: Matthews, Graham (June 1, 2018). "B-Team's Success Represents How Little WWE Cares About Tag Team Division on Raw". Bleacher Report., can be used for this purpose with respect to The B-Team (professional wrestling). BD2412 T 18:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Another user and I are trying to improve Carlito's article. However, we don't have sources for Puerto Rico. What do you think about https://www.prwrestling.com/nw/ ? It was a lot of PR events, so it would be usefull for several articles. Do you think is reliable? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. At WrestleMania 36, it was pointed that while every source said they didn't know the date when the matches took place, Cagematch said that every match was filmed in order. Now, the problem stills. We don't know when title changed took place ( ROH, Heritage Cup), but Cagematch includes the date when the match aired as the date when the match took place. Should we include a note in the table like "Do not use for dates if the information is unkown"? -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 09:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
If you're on an article and see an unreliable or unproven source, change it or remove it. Don't look at it and think someone else will deal with it. I added Nick Patrick to List of former WWE personnel (N–R) and found such sources for other entries. I either changed or removed them. We should be more of a stickler with sources in terms of not letting them slip through the cracks. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 16:10, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Heel by Nature does have some staff, but most articles are written by "HBN Staff." Other articles are written by "Jake" or "Joey G." Using full names is the professional thing to do. They have used Wrestling Observer as a source in the articles I checked, but no other sources listed as reliable or partially reliable were used.
Wrestle Votes is a Twitter account that has been credited with breaking stories. This account has been used as a source on some sites. Being as it's a Twitter account, the fact checking methods are next to impossible to find out. Generally, social media is not to be used as a source.
With that being said, these two should be listed as unreliable. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 09:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
You list Bodyslam and two other sites as unreliable because they reported Samoa Joe was suspended then another source said he wasnt, making them "unreliable", but he *was* suspended. they reported it in february, others said "nah no he isnt", then a week later he was suspended. Muur ( talk) 10:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Proposal: Add Last Word on Pro Wrestling to the unreliable source list.
Other users have alleged poor quality articles. As I previously mentioned the managing editor is Jamie Greer who used to work for established unreliable source Wrestlezone. Rich Laconi doesn't appear to have any credentials alongside Greer. If no one objects, I believe it would be time to be bold and add it per my proposal. There doesn't appear to be much interest in defending the site after my comment from a little over two months ago. Addicted4517 ( talk) 07:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Just a query. I seem to recall that this website is generally frowned upon due to user generated content. However the article on it on WP ( IMDb.com) suggests that there may be oversight on it now. I'm asking because it has been used as a source on List of Impact Wrestling personnel with regard to Masha Slamovich and her real name. I'm going to add an unreliable source? tag to it while waiting for some views here (and fix the link while I'm about it). Also note that the tag may be removed and I may need help to maintain it until this issue is sorted out either with some guidance or a consensus. Addicted4517 ( talk) 08:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Looking for sources outside the usual official promotion sites, Cagematch, etc. for show results, I came upon Wrestling Recaps. It doesn't have news, but does have magazine and shoot/interview transcripts. They do have a list of writers. They have links to sites that are not reliable or generally shouldn't be used unless it's for certain things like results. I will be looking it over for results for title histories that I create. I am all for putting it in limited reliability just for results. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 17:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Pro Wrestling Sheet was previously deemed reliable because Ryan Satin was its lead editor. He left there some time ago, and the site apparently got rebranded into The Sportster. We discussed Sportster on WT:PW awhile back (I wasn't aware about the rebranding at the time), and most of us were in agreement that it clearly is not reliable. [10] I would support listing the Satin era (2015-2018) as reliable, but everything after that is either unproven or completely unreliable. LM2000 ( talk) 12:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Some piece of information which I would like to add to some article or other is backed by a certain program (formerly a DVD?) I watched on the Network. Can I refer to that as a footnote, or is that discouraged (e.g. because it requires paid subscription)? Thanks. כרסומת ( talk) 14:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone direct me to a discussion that might have been used to determined whether or not to the Observer as a reliable source? I have watched several podcasts where wrestling experts and producers have said that Dave is completely unreliable and had spread rumors and speculation constantly over the years. Jeremyeyork ( talk) 00:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
no one outside WP:PW community will accept a dirt sheet writer as accurate.As I explained above, he is the first person mainstream media interview when something happens in the wrestling world – so he's even considered reliable outside of wrestling. And no, I don't think neutral members of Wikipedia would agree with you as you exposed your own bias against him earlier. — Czello ( music) 08:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Just to put a lid on this - one point. It's a bit unfair to compare a single person (Meltzer) to a company/organisation (BBC or New York Times). But aside from that I think we have a consensus on Meltzer being reliable. With that in mind, I think once this is archived that we should stick a redirect in so if anyone comes in with the same query in the future we have a reference point. Addicted4517 ( talk) 11:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC
As this website isn't on the list I thought I should throw it to the group for their thoughts. It has been used on The Mighty Don't Kneel article to prove past membership. I'm a skeptic of this but I'm not going to add it to the unreliable source list without a consensus. Here is the site. Addicted4517 ( talk) 05:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey I would like to know if a website is reliable as I could not find it in your list. The website is itrwrestling.com. Shadow345110 (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)