Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 15:56, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Article submitted as PDF but with no sources or assertion of notability. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 16:10, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. A free image of Flocke can be created so the image violates
WP:NFCC#1. The poster is currently being used to generate money for the zoo, so use of the image could violate
WP:NFCC#2. There are no references to verify that the poster image is iconic. -
Nv8200ptalk03:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The "disputed fair use" tag was removed from the image, so I'm bringing it here instead. The image is not being used in accordance with its tag, namely "to provide critical commentary on the film, event, etc. in question or of the poster itself", but rather is being used solely for illustration, in which capacity it is replaceable and therefore violates
WP:NFCC#1. —
Angr16:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep: If the user had read the
edit summary, they would have seen that I was in the process of adding pertinent information to the article regarding the poster (and therefore its image) to the article. That was done before it was nominated for deletion. I have also updated the purpose for the image's use on the fair use rationale template. It is no longer solely for illustration and should not be deleted. María(
habla con
migo)
17:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Is there something stopping someone from going to the zoo and taking a picture of the bear? There's nothing interesting about this poster. Just the bear's image (which is utterly replaceable) and the phrase "Knut war gestern" which can be replicated in the article (and is!). Easy call. Delete post haste. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
18:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Saying "it is possible to take a free picture of the subject" is different than saying "there is a free picture of the subject available". Just because something is possible doesn't make it probable. The poster, and therefore its image, is iconic and significant, as is stated in the article. It's a massive publicity stunt that spans the entire city of Nuremberg -- how is that not interesting/encyclopedic? María(
habla con
migo)
18:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Simply because a free image does not exist now does not mean we're supposed to use non-free content until there is free content available. See
Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria criteria #1 "Non-free content is used only where no free [content] ... could be created" Free content can obviously be created; someone just needs to go take a picture of the bear. Whether it's probably someone could take a picture of the bear or not is irrelevant. Actually, it's highly probable; she's been on display for a month now and this is a public zoo afterall. This is an easy call; it's blatantly replaceable. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
19:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I concede to the fact that an image of Flocke may at some point become available. Regardless of that, however, the poster is noteworthy enough to warrant encyclopedic coverage. As simply an illustration of the bear it is seemingly replaceable, but the advertisement itself is not replaceable by any free version. It is an iconic image in the city of Nuremberg and has received significant coverage by the media -- the prose says as much, with two references. I can add more. Therefore, as the fair use template states, the poster is not merely used to illustrate Flocke. María(
habla con
migo)
19:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The poster is clearly replaceable with an image of Flocke (which can be obtained) and mention of the marketing phrase used in relation to images of him. That's already been done in the article. The text serves the same encyclopedic purpose, therefore replacing the poster. See
WP:NFCC #1. That the poster is pink, or that the poster has words and an image of Flocke isn't encyclopedic. We can replace the image of Flocke, as you note, and we are already referencing the text in the article. As I said, this is really a very easy call. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
19:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
"Interesting" is not synonymous with "encyclopedic" and/or "notable". Just because you and others may dismiss it as a pink poster with a cute polar bear cub does not detract from the fact that it has been plastered all over the city of Nuremberg and has received attention from the worldwide press. It's a major advertisement move; it's visible to thousands of people every day and it shows one of the city's most visible and popular tourist attractions in years. Again, the image (not its description) is iconic and therefore should not be deleted. María(
habla con
migo)
20:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
...and it's encyclopedic value can be replaced by the text already in the article and a picture of Flocke which can be freely generated. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
00:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Agree since image is of a recent copyrighted book cover and was used to replace the image from Wikimedia Commons as the leading image in the article on the subject of Fidel Castro generally and not on the subject of the book itself. –
Mattisse (
Talk)
17:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Disagree. The picture was from the
cover of his recent memoir (as stated in the description) and thus is considered one of the "better" more "iconic" photos of him recently. The previous photo I believe was unflattering and possibly representative of POV – as the usual practice with world leaders is to use the most “presentable” photo (usually an official portrait) as their main image. In the absence of an sanctioned state portrait of Fidel, I feel the cover of his memoir is a good alternative. Redthoreau (
talk Redthoreau
17:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/polemic. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:53, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:58, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:06, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Consists only of spchars. Supposedly improved by the
Graphics Lab. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:08, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
It seems problematic to me to have an image of a living person with a huge sign pointing at them saying "This guy is a jerk". If the image is kept, it should be cropped and the old revision deleted.
Kellyhi!18:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Is it possible for someone to edit the photo from the wiki source page? I've tried to contact the donor, but haven't had a response for several days.
71.251.185.28 (
talk)
19:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Data sheet for HFS acid. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:10, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. The text is not in English. Discussion indicates text was not written by uploader as claimed and there is no release by the copyright holder. -
Nv8200ptalk03:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Seems to be an article written in
Hebrew. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:13, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
There is a link to it at
Moroccan citron, it is essencial for that article. Since it is a pdf, which cannot be viewed only linked, this is the only way how to link to it. If you find another way to link to it you may correct, but not delete, please.
Firstly, I wasn't aware of the link due to it being in external link format,
like this, and not in wikilink format,
like this. I fail to see the relevance that the document has to the article [although I cannot read Hebrew, PDF documents are not usually useful]. After all, this is the English Wikipedia; the Hebrew Wikipedia may have more use for it. Regardless, please feel free to make your opinion known on the IfD page. Thanks.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:04, May 8, 2008 (UTC)
This article is by a high esteemed professor and horticulturist, which is written in Hebrew because the most interested in citron studies are the Hebrew speaking Jews. But when one wants to know anything about the
citron which was the ancestor of all the cultivated types he would have no access to it. The English Wikipedia is the first to provide such infomation of which part of it is gathered from Hebrew sources, and was later cited by many other authors and websites. By deleting such a pdf, which is a very important and interesting article, you are decreasing the usefullness of the English Wikipedia, and banging the door for the citrus industry in Wikipedia. Dont do such an evil.
If it's a modern article, it's a copyright infringement. If it's not, then it should go to the Hebrew Wikisource, not attached to the article in the English Wikipedia.--
Prosfilaes (
talk)
01:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete probable copyright infringement, can't be used here because of the language (translating it would probably be a waste of time). At best it ought to be transwikied. Hut 8.517:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Dont Delete. It gives important infomation to the Jewish U.S. or English citizens who never use the hebrew Wikipedia.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:18, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Looks like a copy of a WP article, or an attempt to submit one as a PDF. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 21:45, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Manifesto for a non-profit organisation, uploaded by an SPA. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 21:50, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Why do we even do this, It's an image from a website, which allows you to take the images, I mean that image from the web has been taken from another web probably. So you guys have to lay off. Besides people like images! Sincerely Yours ~
JosephJames6 (
talk)
23:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The fact that 'people like it' is
not a valid argument. Also, we do this [deletion] to prevent a build-up of unused and possibly unusable images on the Wikimedia servers.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 16:00, May 7, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 15:56, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Article submitted as PDF but with no sources or assertion of notability. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 16:10, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. A free image of Flocke can be created so the image violates
WP:NFCC#1. The poster is currently being used to generate money for the zoo, so use of the image could violate
WP:NFCC#2. There are no references to verify that the poster image is iconic. -
Nv8200ptalk03:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The "disputed fair use" tag was removed from the image, so I'm bringing it here instead. The image is not being used in accordance with its tag, namely "to provide critical commentary on the film, event, etc. in question or of the poster itself", but rather is being used solely for illustration, in which capacity it is replaceable and therefore violates
WP:NFCC#1. —
Angr16:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep: If the user had read the
edit summary, they would have seen that I was in the process of adding pertinent information to the article regarding the poster (and therefore its image) to the article. That was done before it was nominated for deletion. I have also updated the purpose for the image's use on the fair use rationale template. It is no longer solely for illustration and should not be deleted. María(
habla con
migo)
17:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Is there something stopping someone from going to the zoo and taking a picture of the bear? There's nothing interesting about this poster. Just the bear's image (which is utterly replaceable) and the phrase "Knut war gestern" which can be replicated in the article (and is!). Easy call. Delete post haste. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
18:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Saying "it is possible to take a free picture of the subject" is different than saying "there is a free picture of the subject available". Just because something is possible doesn't make it probable. The poster, and therefore its image, is iconic and significant, as is stated in the article. It's a massive publicity stunt that spans the entire city of Nuremberg -- how is that not interesting/encyclopedic? María(
habla con
migo)
18:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Simply because a free image does not exist now does not mean we're supposed to use non-free content until there is free content available. See
Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria criteria #1 "Non-free content is used only where no free [content] ... could be created" Free content can obviously be created; someone just needs to go take a picture of the bear. Whether it's probably someone could take a picture of the bear or not is irrelevant. Actually, it's highly probable; she's been on display for a month now and this is a public zoo afterall. This is an easy call; it's blatantly replaceable. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
19:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I concede to the fact that an image of Flocke may at some point become available. Regardless of that, however, the poster is noteworthy enough to warrant encyclopedic coverage. As simply an illustration of the bear it is seemingly replaceable, but the advertisement itself is not replaceable by any free version. It is an iconic image in the city of Nuremberg and has received significant coverage by the media -- the prose says as much, with two references. I can add more. Therefore, as the fair use template states, the poster is not merely used to illustrate Flocke. María(
habla con
migo)
19:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The poster is clearly replaceable with an image of Flocke (which can be obtained) and mention of the marketing phrase used in relation to images of him. That's already been done in the article. The text serves the same encyclopedic purpose, therefore replacing the poster. See
WP:NFCC #1. That the poster is pink, or that the poster has words and an image of Flocke isn't encyclopedic. We can replace the image of Flocke, as you note, and we are already referencing the text in the article. As I said, this is really a very easy call. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
19:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
"Interesting" is not synonymous with "encyclopedic" and/or "notable". Just because you and others may dismiss it as a pink poster with a cute polar bear cub does not detract from the fact that it has been plastered all over the city of Nuremberg and has received attention from the worldwide press. It's a major advertisement move; it's visible to thousands of people every day and it shows one of the city's most visible and popular tourist attractions in years. Again, the image (not its description) is iconic and therefore should not be deleted. María(
habla con
migo)
20:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
...and it's encyclopedic value can be replaced by the text already in the article and a picture of Flocke which can be freely generated. --
Hammersoft (
talk)
00:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Agree since image is of a recent copyrighted book cover and was used to replace the image from Wikimedia Commons as the leading image in the article on the subject of Fidel Castro generally and not on the subject of the book itself. –
Mattisse (
Talk)
17:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Disagree. The picture was from the
cover of his recent memoir (as stated in the description) and thus is considered one of the "better" more "iconic" photos of him recently. The previous photo I believe was unflattering and possibly representative of POV – as the usual practice with world leaders is to use the most “presentable” photo (usually an official portrait) as their main image. In the absence of an sanctioned state portrait of Fidel, I feel the cover of his memoir is a good alternative. Redthoreau (
talk Redthoreau
17:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/polemic. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:53, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:58, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:06, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Consists only of spchars. Supposedly improved by the
Graphics Lab. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:08, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
It seems problematic to me to have an image of a living person with a huge sign pointing at them saying "This guy is a jerk". If the image is kept, it should be cropped and the old revision deleted.
Kellyhi!18:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Is it possible for someone to edit the photo from the wiki source page? I've tried to contact the donor, but haven't had a response for several days.
71.251.185.28 (
talk)
19:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Data sheet for HFS acid. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:10, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. The text is not in English. Discussion indicates text was not written by uploader as claimed and there is no release by the copyright holder. -
Nv8200ptalk03:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned pdf file. Seems to be an article written in
Hebrew. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:13, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
There is a link to it at
Moroccan citron, it is essencial for that article. Since it is a pdf, which cannot be viewed only linked, this is the only way how to link to it. If you find another way to link to it you may correct, but not delete, please.
Firstly, I wasn't aware of the link due to it being in external link format,
like this, and not in wikilink format,
like this. I fail to see the relevance that the document has to the article [although I cannot read Hebrew, PDF documents are not usually useful]. After all, this is the English Wikipedia; the Hebrew Wikipedia may have more use for it. Regardless, please feel free to make your opinion known on the IfD page. Thanks.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 17:04, May 8, 2008 (UTC)
This article is by a high esteemed professor and horticulturist, which is written in Hebrew because the most interested in citron studies are the Hebrew speaking Jews. But when one wants to know anything about the
citron which was the ancestor of all the cultivated types he would have no access to it. The English Wikipedia is the first to provide such infomation of which part of it is gathered from Hebrew sources, and was later cited by many other authors and websites. By deleting such a pdf, which is a very important and interesting article, you are decreasing the usefullness of the English Wikipedia, and banging the door for the citrus industry in Wikipedia. Dont do such an evil.
If it's a modern article, it's a copyright infringement. If it's not, then it should go to the Hebrew Wikisource, not attached to the article in the English Wikipedia.--
Prosfilaes (
talk)
01:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete probable copyright infringement, can't be used here because of the language (translating it would probably be a waste of time). At best it ought to be transwikied. Hut 8.517:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Dont Delete. It gives important infomation to the Jewish U.S. or English citizens who never use the hebrew Wikipedia.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Orphaned pdf file. Unsourced essay/OR. Ineligible for inclusion in an article. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 18:18, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Looks like a copy of a WP article, or an attempt to submit one as a PDF. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 21:45, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned pdf file. Manifesto for a non-profit organisation, uploaded by an SPA. No foreseeable encyclopedic use.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 21:50, May 6, 2008 (UTC)
Why do we even do this, It's an image from a website, which allows you to take the images, I mean that image from the web has been taken from another web probably. So you guys have to lay off. Besides people like images! Sincerely Yours ~
JosephJames6 (
talk)
23:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The fact that 'people like it' is
not a valid argument. Also, we do this [deletion] to prevent a build-up of unused and possibly unusable images on the Wikimedia servers.
RichardΩ612Ɣ |
ɸ 16:00, May 7, 2008 (UTC)