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The result of the discussion was: delete the two screenshots. Fair use images in infoboxes are merely decorative. Cited commentary about the image needs to exist in the article and the image placed in context with that commentary in order to justify using the image under fair use. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Image fails wp:nfc #1, as it can (and is) easily described by text, #8 does not significantly contribute to the users understanding
Fasach Nua (
talk) 18:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep, it clearly describes the emotions and setting of the episode. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 19:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. Image is rationaled to "illustrate a key element of the plot and key characters." It does, but the IDP does not explain how this image is necessary for this article; the article is duly understandable without the application of this copyrighted media. Seeing the "dying
Master [...] cradled by the
Doctor" is not necessary to understand the fact and information itself. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 19:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. The test is not whether the article is "understandable" without the copyright media. Rather, the test is whether, with the copyright media, understanding of the topic of the article is improved. Television is a visual medium. Including a shot like this conveys all sorts of things about the episode that the bare text of the article cannot -- from the look and style of the Master character, to the intensity of the John Simm/David Tennant acting. A well-chosen image, like this one, adds a lot to the reader's overall feel for the episode -- which is part of what an article should be trying to convey. And it does so regardless of whether there's some banal caption at the level of "Look at Spot. Look at Spot run." For the reasons given above: the image is legal; it is of value to the article; and it is not replaceable by free content. So it should stay.
Jheald (
talk) 16:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep The Master dying is a key element, and the image displays the key antagonist of the episode; irreplacable with words. —
Edokter •
Talk • 20:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep Key element of narrative and sets tone for episode and Dr.'s emotions. Another example of copyright paranoia... Mangwanani(talk) 15:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - according to the
non-free content policy, fair use images should only be used if their presence would significantly increase readers' understanding. While this image may illustrate a plot element, in my opinion, it doesn't significantly increase the reader's understanding of the article.
PhilKnight (
talk) 19:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:HORSE; no objection to the image being listed by another user. Sceptre(
talk) 14:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: Sorry Sceptre, you don't really expect that a closing admin is going to take this into account, do you?
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Additional Comment - sorry, I don't see te argument there, Sceptre. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - if there is an image that demonstrates the material better, it certainly isn't this one. It could be a love scene for all we know. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 00:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. As I've often said before, essentially all episode screenshots in infoboxes should go; the very fact that they are in an infobox is a strong indicator they are not being used to support the text as they should. If there's anything interesting this image is meant to convey, over and above the mere fact that a certain plot element happens, the text should at least name what that interesting something is, and the image should be structurally integrated with that part of the text. Encyclopedia articles must analyse, not just evoke.
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. As per TreasuryTag and Edoktor's explanations. --
SoWhyTalk 21:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - What explanations? They are describing their own reactions to the episode, not the rather inadequate image offered to represent such. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. A striking image of the Doctor's desperation to save the only other living Time Lord, whom he has known since childhood. The Tenth Doctor's extraordinary capacity for forgiveness towards The Master contrasts with his normally unforgiving, uncompromising nature ("No second chances, I'm that kind of man" -
The Christmas Invasion, "You get one warning. That was it." -
School Reunion). Despite all the evil things The Master has done, the Doctor forgives him and urges him to regenerate. --
Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 17:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Excellent, that's the prose that takes the place of this image's necessity; and in fact does a better job than. (
WP:NFCC#1 &
#3a) — pd_THOR|=/\= | 17:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I concur. I am not against an image inthe article; I think a better image would accomplish more. The image simply doesn't communicate all that you seem willing to ascribe to it. I still think it looks rather more like a love scene. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'd like to see you both describing in words the appearence and expression on the main antagonist's face without the image... you can't. That is why the image is essential, and omission would be detrimental. —
Edokter •
Talk • 21:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Are you arguing that the specific appearence and expression on the antagonist's face is necessary to the understand of the content of the article(s) in which it is used?
While you're right in that such description is best left to images, the necessity of such description is unlikely. If it were, there would be a gout of copyrighted images used to illustrate every nuance of a character/actor's range of depiction. Similarly, I can't accurately describe every face these characters make throughout this episode, but being unable to do so without imagery doesn't mean that said imagery is necessary to understand the content of the article. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Perhaps challenging us is not the proper approach, Edokter. I have already suggest that the image is the wrong one to use, if you are trying to communicate what you and others passionately describe, find an image that communicates that. I had suggested the funeral pyre, but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears. I for one am not against having images in the articles, but I am vehemently opposed to purely decorative pictures being added to provide any old image. The image has to communicate something more than just what the image shows. This one doesn't even come close, as I am not sure if the Master is dying, cracking a joke or passing gas. The smart money is on the last one, though. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 22:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep and move it out of the infobox to a location in the article where the non-original research, critical commentary resides. If there is no non-original research, critical commentary resides, then delete.
JohnABerring27A (
talk) 18:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This image is easily described using text
wp:nfc#1, conveys little information
wp:nfc#8, and is not the subject of critical commentary
wp:nfc#8
Fasach Nua (
talk) 18:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. The copyrighted image of the five astronauts and two civilians in an office/library does not provide further understanding of the plot of "
Silence in the Library" than the prose can or does. This image is rationaled to "illustrate a key element of the episode and key characters." While it may, the IDP does not explain how or why this copyrighted image is necessary for this article. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 19:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - it's a key plot element that also illustrates the overall feel and mood of the episode, both of which are important to one's understanding. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 19:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - how, precisely does the image communicate that, TT? -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete I feel this image does not convey a key element of the plot and characters are not recognizable. —
Edokter •
Talk • 19:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a key element of the narrative - the first death and ghosting experience - and should there be a query as to the rationale or caption this can be easily altered. I refer people to the other images in the Dr. Who series - some of which are FA status and have the relevant image. Mangwanani(talk) 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - the image doesn't convey this scene particularly well. For example, the image doesn't clearly show the space suit is still intact, let alone help the reader understand what is meant by ghosting. Also, I don't understand what you mean by refer people to other images in the Dr. Who series, why is that an argument for keeping the image?
PhilKnight (
talk) 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - don't see many suggestions on how to alterate. Far too much of a destructive mood here. As I said before, copyright paranoia out of hand... Mangwanani(talk) 19:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest you find an image that would help a reader who hasn't seen the episode understand the article better.
PhilKnight (
talk) 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - according to the
non-free content policy, fair use images should only be used if their presence would significantly increase readers' understanding. While this image may illustrate a plot element, in my opinion, it doesn't significantly increase the reader's understanding of the article.
PhilKnight (
talk) 19:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete no justification for this. No relevant discussion of the image itself.--
Troikoalogo (
talk) 20:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. As I've often said before, essentially all episode screenshots in infoboxes should go; the very fact that they are in an infobox is a strong indicator they are not being used to support the text as they should. If there's anything interesting this image is meant to convey, over and above the mere fact that a certain plot element happens, the text should at least name what that interesting something is, and the image should be structurally integrated with that part of the text. Encyclopedia articles must analyse, not just evoke.
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Respectfully, I disagree. Walking into this discussion with the consideration that all episodic imagery should go the way of the dodo doesn't exactly render you neutral in the evaluation of single images, now does it? From what I understand of IfD, each image is weighed on its own merits. While I agree that this image is crap, having a presumption that all images are crap is like deciding that all apples are bad because some have brown spots. If you cannot be neutral, then perhaps you should take a pass on images in episodic articles.
How does this comment tie in with your Delete !vote? You haven't made a single comment on the image in question itself. As for placement of the image; that is purely estethical. Where the image is placed should have no bearing on the validity of an image, as long as the connection is made clear. —
Edokter •
Talk • 14:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Of course, my argument presupposes the obvious fact that the connection is in fact not made clear. Which it isn't, for all I can see. That the image is also placed in an irrelevant position just goes to underline this fact. The text is not saying what it is that the image is supposed to demonstrate. (Merely noting what moment in the plot it is would be a start but not sufficient. It doesn't even do that though.) Of course, this finding for me may be caused by the overall poor quality of the writing. Like in many cases of Dr Who articles, the whole text is totally impenetrable to a reader who, like me, isn't already intimately familiar with the subject. Especially the plot section, is complete gibberish; as long as that's the case, there's no way on earth I could see a reasonable fair use case based on it.
Fut.Perf.☼ 16:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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CC license is most likely spurious as it's unlikely an album cover would be released this way. Also, claims on image page not substantiated through OTRS
SkierRMH (
talk) 01:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Has someone contacted the email on the page, as requested, before posting this deletion request?
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 17:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I have sent an email; I respect a response, which I may forward to OTRS.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 19:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - email confirmation received. As the record company appears to be Allison Crowe Music, this is a valid license.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 00:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Still liable for deletion until OTRS ticket number is added to image as per
COPYREQ.
MilborneOne (
talk) 12:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually it's already been added on the image on commons, so just go ahead and delete it under I8.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 06:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't know the ins and outs of what's being said here, but, I can confirm 100% that all is ok with this image - we DO release Allison Crowe's music, album art and more under CC and other free licenses. I believe Evil Spartan has kindly confirmed this is the case. Should there ever be questions about Allison Crowe-related content, please do not hesitate to write me c/o management@allisoncrowe.com or phone 250-537-1286. Thanks! Adrian (Allison Crowe Music) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Adrian22 (
talk •
contribs) 08:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned, Absent uploader
Nv8200ptalk 03:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Free image. No consensus to delete. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Unused image, poor quality. Adds no encyclopedic value to the article (
Head) that it had been in previously. --
Icarus(
Hi!) 04:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete: There are images which do a better job than this on the said article page... Mangwanani(talk) 17:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep: This is a perfect example of a head... what is the issue here?
Keep: There is no picture of a human head in this article except for the discussed image. There are only drawings of the said human body part. This image clearly depicts a typical human head. Amiruci 07:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - Deleting an image is different from removing it from an article because it adds no encyclopedic value to the article (
Head). It's a human head and seems limited to that feature. The one used in the
head article is not a featured picture. If you want to switch it out from the article, take a head from
Wikipedia:Featured_pictures#People or some other featured picture. You can crop featured pitures to focus on the head, if need be. Until a better photo is used in its place, it should stay in the article.
JohnABerring27A (
talk) 17:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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no source, not really free.
Damiens.rf 15:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
image was originally released for promotional purposes by the now defunct/divested company
KPNQwest. Copyright holder is no longer in existence, copyright has also not been transferred, image has remained in public domain. Original copyright notice had been appended to the image with an explanation.
Kathmann 00:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think the demise of a copyright-holding company can be presumed to place its copyrights into the public domain--that would be a very novel legal doctrine. Moreover the original photographer and his descendants hold the original copyright and his assignment to the company (if he did so assign) would not remove his right to be identified as the author, nor could it be interpreted as granting a right to anyone other than the original company to copy the work. --
Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 23:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned, absent uploader, image on commons actually
useful.
BiruitorulTalk 17:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete useless. I want the picture of Leon Mba without having to make a duplicate (which I did, but it got deleted). I'm an Editorofthewikicitation needed 18:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Image on Commons showing through. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Not used, not ensyclopedic, also says it may not be altered without permission in the document, in wich case it's also not free licensed.
Sherool(talk) 20:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete, absurd license, unencyclopedic and unusable. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 20:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete the two screenshots. Fair use images in infoboxes are merely decorative. Cited commentary about the image needs to exist in the article and the image placed in context with that commentary in order to justify using the image under fair use. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Image fails wp:nfc #1, as it can (and is) easily described by text, #8 does not significantly contribute to the users understanding
Fasach Nua (
talk) 18:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep, it clearly describes the emotions and setting of the episode. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 19:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. Image is rationaled to "illustrate a key element of the plot and key characters." It does, but the IDP does not explain how this image is necessary for this article; the article is duly understandable without the application of this copyrighted media. Seeing the "dying
Master [...] cradled by the
Doctor" is not necessary to understand the fact and information itself. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 19:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. The test is not whether the article is "understandable" without the copyright media. Rather, the test is whether, with the copyright media, understanding of the topic of the article is improved. Television is a visual medium. Including a shot like this conveys all sorts of things about the episode that the bare text of the article cannot -- from the look and style of the Master character, to the intensity of the John Simm/David Tennant acting. A well-chosen image, like this one, adds a lot to the reader's overall feel for the episode -- which is part of what an article should be trying to convey. And it does so regardless of whether there's some banal caption at the level of "Look at Spot. Look at Spot run." For the reasons given above: the image is legal; it is of value to the article; and it is not replaceable by free content. So it should stay.
Jheald (
talk) 16:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep The Master dying is a key element, and the image displays the key antagonist of the episode; irreplacable with words. —
Edokter •
Talk • 20:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep Key element of narrative and sets tone for episode and Dr.'s emotions. Another example of copyright paranoia... Mangwanani(talk) 15:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - according to the
non-free content policy, fair use images should only be used if their presence would significantly increase readers' understanding. While this image may illustrate a plot element, in my opinion, it doesn't significantly increase the reader's understanding of the article.
PhilKnight (
talk) 19:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:HORSE; no objection to the image being listed by another user. Sceptre(
talk) 14:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: Sorry Sceptre, you don't really expect that a closing admin is going to take this into account, do you?
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Additional Comment - sorry, I don't see te argument there, Sceptre. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - if there is an image that demonstrates the material better, it certainly isn't this one. It could be a love scene for all we know. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 00:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. As I've often said before, essentially all episode screenshots in infoboxes should go; the very fact that they are in an infobox is a strong indicator they are not being used to support the text as they should. If there's anything interesting this image is meant to convey, over and above the mere fact that a certain plot element happens, the text should at least name what that interesting something is, and the image should be structurally integrated with that part of the text. Encyclopedia articles must analyse, not just evoke.
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. As per TreasuryTag and Edoktor's explanations. --
SoWhyTalk 21:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - What explanations? They are describing their own reactions to the episode, not the rather inadequate image offered to represent such. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. A striking image of the Doctor's desperation to save the only other living Time Lord, whom he has known since childhood. The Tenth Doctor's extraordinary capacity for forgiveness towards The Master contrasts with his normally unforgiving, uncompromising nature ("No second chances, I'm that kind of man" -
The Christmas Invasion, "You get one warning. That was it." -
School Reunion). Despite all the evil things The Master has done, the Doctor forgives him and urges him to regenerate. --
Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 17:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Excellent, that's the prose that takes the place of this image's necessity; and in fact does a better job than. (
WP:NFCC#1 &
#3a) — pd_THOR|=/\= | 17:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I concur. I am not against an image inthe article; I think a better image would accomplish more. The image simply doesn't communicate all that you seem willing to ascribe to it. I still think it looks rather more like a love scene. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'd like to see you both describing in words the appearence and expression on the main antagonist's face without the image... you can't. That is why the image is essential, and omission would be detrimental. —
Edokter •
Talk • 21:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Are you arguing that the specific appearence and expression on the antagonist's face is necessary to the understand of the content of the article(s) in which it is used?
While you're right in that such description is best left to images, the necessity of such description is unlikely. If it were, there would be a gout of copyrighted images used to illustrate every nuance of a character/actor's range of depiction. Similarly, I can't accurately describe every face these characters make throughout this episode, but being unable to do so without imagery doesn't mean that said imagery is necessary to understand the content of the article. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Perhaps challenging us is not the proper approach, Edokter. I have already suggest that the image is the wrong one to use, if you are trying to communicate what you and others passionately describe, find an image that communicates that. I had suggested the funeral pyre, but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears. I for one am not against having images in the articles, but I am vehemently opposed to purely decorative pictures being added to provide any old image. The image has to communicate something more than just what the image shows. This one doesn't even come close, as I am not sure if the Master is dying, cracking a joke or passing gas. The smart money is on the last one, though. -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 22:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep and move it out of the infobox to a location in the article where the non-original research, critical commentary resides. If there is no non-original research, critical commentary resides, then delete.
JohnABerring27A (
talk) 18:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This image is easily described using text
wp:nfc#1, conveys little information
wp:nfc#8, and is not the subject of critical commentary
wp:nfc#8
Fasach Nua (
talk) 18:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. The copyrighted image of the five astronauts and two civilians in an office/library does not provide further understanding of the plot of "
Silence in the Library" than the prose can or does. This image is rationaled to "illustrate a key element of the episode and key characters." While it may, the IDP does not explain how or why this copyrighted image is necessary for this article. — pd_THOR|=/\= | 19:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - it's a key plot element that also illustrates the overall feel and mood of the episode, both of which are important to one's understanding. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 19:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - how, precisely does the image communicate that, TT? -
Arcayne(cast a spell) 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete I feel this image does not convey a key element of the plot and characters are not recognizable. —
Edokter •
Talk • 19:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a key element of the narrative - the first death and ghosting experience - and should there be a query as to the rationale or caption this can be easily altered. I refer people to the other images in the Dr. Who series - some of which are FA status and have the relevant image. Mangwanani(talk) 15:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - the image doesn't convey this scene particularly well. For example, the image doesn't clearly show the space suit is still intact, let alone help the reader understand what is meant by ghosting. Also, I don't understand what you mean by refer people to other images in the Dr. Who series, why is that an argument for keeping the image?
PhilKnight (
talk) 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - don't see many suggestions on how to alterate. Far too much of a destructive mood here. As I said before, copyright paranoia out of hand... Mangwanani(talk) 19:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest you find an image that would help a reader who hasn't seen the episode understand the article better.
PhilKnight (
talk) 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - according to the
non-free content policy, fair use images should only be used if their presence would significantly increase readers' understanding. While this image may illustrate a plot element, in my opinion, it doesn't significantly increase the reader's understanding of the article.
PhilKnight (
talk) 19:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete no justification for this. No relevant discussion of the image itself.--
Troikoalogo (
talk) 20:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete. As I've often said before, essentially all episode screenshots in infoboxes should go; the very fact that they are in an infobox is a strong indicator they are not being used to support the text as they should. If there's anything interesting this image is meant to convey, over and above the mere fact that a certain plot element happens, the text should at least name what that interesting something is, and the image should be structurally integrated with that part of the text. Encyclopedia articles must analyse, not just evoke.
Fut.Perf.☼ 08:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Respectfully, I disagree. Walking into this discussion with the consideration that all episodic imagery should go the way of the dodo doesn't exactly render you neutral in the evaluation of single images, now does it? From what I understand of IfD, each image is weighed on its own merits. While I agree that this image is crap, having a presumption that all images are crap is like deciding that all apples are bad because some have brown spots. If you cannot be neutral, then perhaps you should take a pass on images in episodic articles.
How does this comment tie in with your Delete !vote? You haven't made a single comment on the image in question itself. As for placement of the image; that is purely estethical. Where the image is placed should have no bearing on the validity of an image, as long as the connection is made clear. —
Edokter •
Talk • 14:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Of course, my argument presupposes the obvious fact that the connection is in fact not made clear. Which it isn't, for all I can see. That the image is also placed in an irrelevant position just goes to underline this fact. The text is not saying what it is that the image is supposed to demonstrate. (Merely noting what moment in the plot it is would be a start but not sufficient. It doesn't even do that though.) Of course, this finding for me may be caused by the overall poor quality of the writing. Like in many cases of Dr Who articles, the whole text is totally impenetrable to a reader who, like me, isn't already intimately familiar with the subject. Especially the plot section, is complete gibberish; as long as that's the case, there's no way on earth I could see a reasonable fair use case based on it.
Fut.Perf.☼ 16:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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CC license is most likely spurious as it's unlikely an album cover would be released this way. Also, claims on image page not substantiated through OTRS
SkierRMH (
talk) 01:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Has someone contacted the email on the page, as requested, before posting this deletion request?
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 17:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I have sent an email; I respect a response, which I may forward to OTRS.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 19:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - email confirmation received. As the record company appears to be Allison Crowe Music, this is a valid license.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 00:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Still liable for deletion until OTRS ticket number is added to image as per
COPYREQ.
MilborneOne (
talk) 12:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually it's already been added on the image on commons, so just go ahead and delete it under I8.
The Evil Spartan (
talk) 06:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't know the ins and outs of what's being said here, but, I can confirm 100% that all is ok with this image - we DO release Allison Crowe's music, album art and more under CC and other free licenses. I believe Evil Spartan has kindly confirmed this is the case. Should there ever be questions about Allison Crowe-related content, please do not hesitate to write me c/o management@allisoncrowe.com or phone 250-537-1286. Thanks! Adrian (Allison Crowe Music) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Adrian22 (
talk •
contribs) 08:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned, Absent uploader
Nv8200ptalk 03:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Free image. No consensus to delete. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Unused image, poor quality. Adds no encyclopedic value to the article (
Head) that it had been in previously. --
Icarus(
Hi!) 04:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete: There are images which do a better job than this on the said article page... Mangwanani(talk) 17:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep: This is a perfect example of a head... what is the issue here?
Keep: There is no picture of a human head in this article except for the discussed image. There are only drawings of the said human body part. This image clearly depicts a typical human head. Amiruci 07:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - Deleting an image is different from removing it from an article because it adds no encyclopedic value to the article (
Head). It's a human head and seems limited to that feature. The one used in the
head article is not a featured picture. If you want to switch it out from the article, take a head from
Wikipedia:Featured_pictures#People or some other featured picture. You can crop featured pitures to focus on the head, if need be. Until a better photo is used in its place, it should stay in the article.
JohnABerring27A (
talk) 17:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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no source, not really free.
Damiens.rf 15:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
image was originally released for promotional purposes by the now defunct/divested company
KPNQwest. Copyright holder is no longer in existence, copyright has also not been transferred, image has remained in public domain. Original copyright notice had been appended to the image with an explanation.
Kathmann 00:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think the demise of a copyright-holding company can be presumed to place its copyrights into the public domain--that would be a very novel legal doctrine. Moreover the original photographer and his descendants hold the original copyright and his assignment to the company (if he did so assign) would not remove his right to be identified as the author, nor could it be interpreted as granting a right to anyone other than the original company to copy the work. --
Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 23:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Orphaned, absent uploader, image on commons actually
useful.
BiruitorulTalk 17:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete useless. I want the picture of Leon Mba without having to make a duplicate (which I did, but it got deleted). I'm an Editorofthewikicitation needed 18:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Image on Commons showing through. -
Nv8200ptalk 20:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Not used, not ensyclopedic, also says it may not be altered without permission in the document, in wich case it's also not free licensed.
Sherool(talk) 20:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete, absurd license, unencyclopedic and unusable. ╟─TreasuryTag (
talk╬contribs)─╢ 20:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply