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  • Delete, this was mine an alternate username that is retired. I'd forgotten about it, but I'll pop a copy on Commons. It's just for personal use on talk page messages, but someone else may get use of it there. rootology ( C)( T) 17:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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  • I feel that this image does not meet the requirements of WP:NFCC#8 as it does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the article and its removal would not be detrimental to that understanding. It merely depicts a member of the band. The textual description currently found on the article is sufficient to describe the music video. Stifle ( talk) 09:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Image fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not necessary to the understanding of the article. Text is sufficient to convey that he married Jane Fonda and they had a child. - Nv8200p talk 16:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Tom Hayden isn't an over-illustrated article. I agree it could use beefing up, and may get to it when I get over the flu. Also note this is an "almost free" photo, properly licensed for free Wikipeda use (but not for commercial reuse). Cheers, Pete Tillman ( talk) 18:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
No, it's not properly licensed for free Wikipedia use. Please read free content and this essay by the Deputy Director of the WMF for more information. howcheng { chat} 18:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
He means that, legally, it is licensed for free Wikipedia use. However, the idea of some images being more free than others is not a good thing, as it makes it seem like some non-free content is more acceptable, some free content is less acceptable. The line in the sand has been drawn, so it's all or nothing now. J Milburn ( talk) 23:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Please reread WP:Non-free content and note that the policy is best treated with common sense and the occasional exception. Regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 21:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Technically, Howcheng is correct. The list of free licences is given at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Free licenses. The image in question is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 licence (by the UCLA library [1]). This is one of non-free forms of the Creative Commons licences, listed in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Deprecated, that allows free non-commercial use of the image, with proper attributions, but does not allow commercial use. In the formal sense, Wikipedia treats this kind of a licence in exactly the same way as a standard non-free commercial copyright. However, it is also true that if we wanted to use this image on Wikipedia, such usage would most certainly be authorized by its licence. There are two reasons why we try to restrict and discourage the use of non-free images. The first is potential legal problems with copyright owners who may contest the fair use claims. The second is a general desire to encourage distribution and creation of free content. The first reason is inapplicable in this case since, Wikipedia being a non-commercial organization, the image's use here is clearly authorized by its licence. The second reason, which is articulated in the essay Howcheng cited, is, of course, still applicable. I feel, however, that fair use claims for non-free Creative Commons licences may, on occasion, be treated a bit more leniently than fair use claims for ordinary non-free commercial copyrights. In this case the image is certainly not replaceable as Hayden and Fonda are no longer married and it is not likely that they are going to have such a picture-perfect family moment together as the one captured by this picture. While formally, of course, it is not necessary to see this picture to know that Hayden and Fonda were married, the image does make this much more tangible and real and has a rather unique feel to it that certainly adds encyclopedic value to the article. I would give it a pass for these reasons. Nsk92 ( talk) 23:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
As you know, the exclusion of this sort of imge from the WP definition of "free" continue to rankle many editors. But thanks for your support -- I think it's a pretty cool photo, too. Best regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I'm sure it does, but considering the m:mission statement explicitly names free licensing, there's not ever going to be any slack given on that point. howcheng { chat} 23:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Please reread WP:Non-free content and note that the policy is "best treated with common sense and the occasional exception " Plus, it's a dumb policy, imo. Regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 02:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
This is not an image worth such an exception. You can disagree all you want with the policy and the WMF's mission statement, but they ain't changing. howcheng { chat} 18:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I completely agree with Howcheng on this- this image needs to be treated as non-free. If we would not use an ordinary non-free image in this sense, we should not use this one like this. With such a strictly enforced policy, we need a very good reason to ignore it. J Milburn ( talk) 10:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Yes, but... Whether the photo helps the article or not is a judgement call. So, let's take another look at the article, Tom Hayden. At present, there are 2 photos. The lead photo portrays a rather bilious Hayden, out of focus in a cluttered setting -- a mediocre amateur snapshot. The photo under discussion, taken by a professional photographer, is clean, sharp, and well-composed. It shows Hayden during his "15 minutes of fame", and reminds (or educates) the reader why he was a glamorous and controversial politician then. There's really no question which is the better photo, though both help the reader visualize the subject. To say (as in the original complaint for this IfD) that "this image is not really telling us anything- it is purely decorative" is, well, a dubious statement. In my judgment, the LA Times photo is a fine addition to our article, and there's no question it should be retained. Thanks, Pete Tillman ( talk) 01:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Non-free image in collage. - Nv8200p talk 15:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • Source=Self-made using:<br /> [[Image:Frank Lloyd Wright LC-USZ62-36384.jpg|90px]][[Image:Lewis-Sinclair-LOC.jpg|65px]][[Image:Jack Daniel Statue|66px]][[Image:Abraham Lincoln head on shoulders photo portrait.jpg|74px]][[Image:James Abram Garfield, photo portrait seated.jpg|58px]][[Image:Bill_Evans.JPG|76px]][[Image:Thomas_Jefferson_rev.jpg‎|68px]][[Image:Hillary Rodham Clinton.jpg|68px]][[Image:Anthony Hopkins|68px]]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#1. A free image could be created. - Nv8200p talk 16:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • Living subject, so replaceable image. PhilKnight ( talk) 16:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Per WP:NFC, fair use claims do not apply to non-free images of living individuals in the articles about themselves. One should either find a free image or not have a photo at all. Nsk92 ( talk) 16:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Strong keep. The claim that the image at issue were non-free is utterly unfounded and is in fact false. As I indicated earlier, the photograph originates from a blog belonging to the daughter of Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad (i.e. Ms Baran Kosari), and there is no indication on this blog, whether explicit or implicit, that the image at issue were copyrighted. This is the source of the photograph. Please find a copyright statement on this source, and I shall withdraw my statement. Further, Nsk92 states that "fair use claims do not apply to non-free images of living individuals in the articles about themselves". Firstly, the image at issue is free (see above). Secondly, what is "themselves" supposed to mean? I have added the photograph, and not Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad! I maintain that the image at issue is free and serves a very useful purpose on Wikipedia; it should therefore be kept. I am absolutely dumbfounded by this apparently uncontrollable urge of some to delete whatever image (in particular when the image seems to be in a reasonable condition) that they encounter on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a demolition site! --BF 17:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
    As PhilKnight notes below, all images are presumed to be copyrighted until proved otherwise. What I meant by "themselves" is that it is not OK to use a non-free image of a living person in a WP article about that person. However it may be appropriate, under an appropriate fair use claim, to use a non-free image of a living person in an article about something else. E.g. in an article about some movie it may be OK to use a non-free image of a poster for that movie that portrays some actor playing a character in that move; while it would not be appropriate to use such a poster in an article about the actor himself. A good example is something like Four weddings and a funeral that has a poster with a picture of the actor Hugh Grant. It is fine to use that image in an article about the movie, but not in the article Hugh Grant. Nsk92 ( talk) 19:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
    To quote from the WP:COPYRIGHT policy: "Images and photographs, like written works, are subject to copyright. Someone holds the copyright unless they have been explicitly placed in the public domain." Unless you find or produce some proof that the image in question has been explicitly placed in the public domain, it is presumed to be copyrighted. Instead of going on angry tirades you should take your time to study the basic Wikipedia policies related to copyright issues. Nsk92 ( talk) 19:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - the image was originally tagged as disputed fair use, and I brought it here so we can calmly discuss the situation, not trade insults. Firstly, images are presumed non-free until proved otherwise. Secondly, we generally don't use non-free images to depict living people. PhilKnight ( talk) 17:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: It is not common practice to prove a negative. We do not go to the legal authorities every morning to prove that we did not commit the crimes committed the day before in our town or city; we, however, defend ourselves when accused of having committed a crime. We do not prove that 2 + 2 is not equal to 3, because having done so, we will have to prove that it is also not equal to 5, or 6, or 7, ad infinitum. If Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad does not wish her photograph to be used as free, then it is her responsibility to make sure that there is a copyright statement attached to her photographs (she is a professional film-maker, so she should know well how to protect her rights). Furthermore, you should realise that the Iranians living inside Iran in general do not respond to calls from the people whom they do not know personally and who moreover live abroad; the people contacting them might be on some black list, thus causing them all kinds of problems. I have for instance written to Ms Baran Kosari over two months ago, in connection with a pension fund that I have been trying to set up (for the artists of the older generation who have come to fall on hard times), and I have as yet received no response from her. In not responding, she has not been acting out of order: none of the ten or so active artists that I have written to has responded thus far (I have written to Ms Niki Karimi, Mr Shahab Hosseini, Mr Bahram Radan, Ms Golshifteh Farahani, Ms Leila Hatami, Mr Ali Mosaffa, etc., etc.). You will have to realise that should I turn out to have some links with some "undesirable" political organizations abroad, the mere writing of these people to me can cause them untold miseries. As it happens, I have no association with any political groups, whether desirable or undesirable, but how could these people know? They are left with one option: to play safe and not respond. Please take these basic facts into your consideration when demanding Herculean tasks from others. I have just spent too much of my precious time on arguing with the people (all like you) who seem to have no vision of the outside world beyond their computer screens. Please stop being so unreasonable! In the case at hand, wait until such time as Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad possibly writes to Wikipedia and explicitly protests against the exposure of the photograph at issue by Wikipedia. If you, all, are left with some free time (after having acted as public prosecutors, all related to some petty and materially worthless photographs), then you may start reading about the events taking place in the world outside your computer screens. I am deeply annoyed by this utter lack of understanding on the part of some of the Wikipedia editors. When do you want to stop causing so much material and psychological damage to me and my ilk? Do you know at all how the world works? It seems that you have no idea! If deleting Ms Bani-E'temad's photograph is the thing that gives you some special pleasure, then please go ahead and delete it right away. I have lost my patience with so much unreason and parochial attitude displayed so abundantly on Wikipedia! How many more hours, and countless more words, have I to spend on this utterly senseless business before you begin to even to consider to contemplate a bit? You all look like hardened fundamentalists to me, who have found the truth and the only truth (your "Bible" seems to be some Wikipedia rule book, which, incidentally, Nsk92 accuses me of not being familiar with; I must be a heretic here). Please, leave me in peace now! Thank you! --BF 08:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus. - Nv8200p talk 16:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • I am concerned that this image may not be usable under the non-free content criteria, specifically 3a (as multiple non-free images are being used when one would suffice) and 8 (as readers' understanding of the article would not be affected if the image were not included). Stifle ( talk) 18:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Keep — I believe this image is needed on this page, and that it complies with all the non-free use rationale guideline. Both album covers were used interchangeably when the single was released and one is only labeled as the alternative cover by chance. A reader is as likely to identify with as with the other. – Zntrip 18:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - in the context of another very similar image, this doesn't add much. PhilKnight ( talk) 19:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, the only difference from the "main" version is that this has black background instead of while, this difference can be adequately explained by text ("an alternative version of the cover with a black background was also used" or some such), making this a replacable non-free image that is not nessesary for understanding the article. -- Sherool (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per WP:NFCC3a, unnecessary duplication of essentially identical non-free image already used in the article. Nsk92 ( talk) 18:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. All has been said for this one. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke S T # :) 00:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not significant to the understanding of the article. - Nv8200p talk 16:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Strong Oppose Linda Eastman/McCartney's article is a biography. To not have a photo of her with her whole family is tantamount to erasing a very important part of her life. Very little is known about her before she met McCartney, and this photo should not be deleted, in my opinion.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

The problem is that the photo's usage cannot be justified in the article. Please explain how the reader's comprehension of the text of the "Early years and photography" is impaired by the removal of the photo. howcheng { chat} 17:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I would have thought "Early years" would have been enough. I have now split the section into "Early years", and then "Photography". I find the photo to be very relevant to the section, as it does deal with her years as a child. In all honesty, how many photographs have you actually seen of Mrs McCartney as a child? This was the only one I could find. It is informative, and improves the article, because of its relevance.-- andreasegde ( talk) 19:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply

The problem is that there is no discussion of photo in the article itself such that you'd need to see the photo in order to understand the article. If you can add sourced commentary about the photo itself, I'll be happy to withdraw this. howcheng { chat} 18:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

OK, I'll do that, and I thank you.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think that the references 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 refer to her upbringing and family.-- andreasegde ( talk) 00:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC) reply

How can a photograph in a biography about a person's younger life not be meaningful? The person is deceased.-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply

  • Delete I'm going to have to go with the nominator on this. If she were well known for what she looked like as a child, or if something else in the photo was relevant to what made her well known, then maybe it would be different. For example, if she won youth awards as a photographer, and the picture had her holding a camera or the photograph was one she took of herself. But even that would be a stretch. As it is, sorry. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 00:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • I don't follow. Families are like belly buttons - we all have them. Well, most of us do. If this were Tiger Wood's father showing him how to swing a golf club, or this person's mom giving her her first camera or otherwise uniquely contributing to what she would later be known for in a way most families wouldnt', that might be worth something. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 10:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I wonder how notable Cedar Creek, Texas is? Never mind, it's just another example of Wikipedia, and how it eats itself from the inside out.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not significant to the understanding of the article. - Nv8200p talk 16:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • NFCC 8 violation. Article does not discuss Linda McCartney's post-cancer diagnosis appearance in any way, so no photo of her from this time is necessary for reader comprehension. howcheng { chat} 22:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Strong Oppose This is a very rare photograph, and should not be deleted, as it shows Linda McCartney as she was shortly before her demise.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

As above, how is the reader's comprehension of the "Death" section of the article impaired by the removal of the photo? howcheng { chat} 17:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

One, because it shows a victim of cancer, who was accepted as previously being attractive, but shows the signs of her fateful condition. Two, this sentence, "In January 2000, McCartney announced donations in excess of $2,000,000 for cancer research at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York and the Arizona Cancer Center in Tucson, where Linda received treatment. The centers received $1 million (£625,000) each," says a lot. The section and the photo deals with (albeit not primarily) cancer victims and the support they are given.-- andreasegde ( talk) 19:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply

As above, the problem is that there is no discussion of photo in the article itself such that you'd need to see the photo in order to understand the article. If you can add sourced commentary about the photo itself, I'll be happy to withdraw this. howcheng { chat} 18:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

OK, I'll do that, and I thank you.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think that the references 4,34, and 40 refer to her death.-- andreasegde ( talk) 00:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC) reply

How can a photograph in a biography about a person's later life before her untimely death not be meaningful? The person is deceased. I always read that articles should be illustrated. Does this mean one photo of Mrs McCartney in her 20s? I despair...-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply

  • Delete This photo could replace the one in the infobox, but both are not needed. The one in the infobox has the advantage that she's carrying a camera, an emblem of what she is known for. The 2nd adult picture doesn't say much more than the first, except maybe that she likes flowers and she has a different hairstyle. If you have a picture of her doing cancer-advocacy work, a picture of her on her deathbed, or a picture from her memorial service, those might be appropriate for this section. Of course, any illness- or death-related pictures should have the family's blessing before uploading, for WP:ITSONLYDECENT reasons if nothing else. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 00:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • A picture on her deathbed that was released without her family's blessing would indeed be tasteless. However, one that was publicized by the family would not necessarily be tasteless and, depending on the surrounding text, could easily be encyclopedic. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 10:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

There I was thinking that articles should be illustrated. It's my mistake, because I don't like reading black & white instruction manuals. Such is life...-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete, this was mine an alternate username that is retired. I'd forgotten about it, but I'll pop a copy on Commons. It's just for personal use on talk page messages, but someone else may get use of it there. rootology ( C)( T) 17:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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  • I feel that this image does not meet the requirements of WP:NFCC#8 as it does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the article and its removal would not be detrimental to that understanding. It merely depicts a member of the band. The textual description currently found on the article is sufficient to describe the music video. Stifle ( talk) 09:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Image fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not necessary to the understanding of the article. Text is sufficient to convey that he married Jane Fonda and they had a child. - Nv8200p talk 16:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Tom Hayden isn't an over-illustrated article. I agree it could use beefing up, and may get to it when I get over the flu. Also note this is an "almost free" photo, properly licensed for free Wikipeda use (but not for commercial reuse). Cheers, Pete Tillman ( talk) 18:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
No, it's not properly licensed for free Wikipedia use. Please read free content and this essay by the Deputy Director of the WMF for more information. howcheng { chat} 18:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
He means that, legally, it is licensed for free Wikipedia use. However, the idea of some images being more free than others is not a good thing, as it makes it seem like some non-free content is more acceptable, some free content is less acceptable. The line in the sand has been drawn, so it's all or nothing now. J Milburn ( talk) 23:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Please reread WP:Non-free content and note that the policy is best treated with common sense and the occasional exception. Regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 21:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Technically, Howcheng is correct. The list of free licences is given at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Free licenses. The image in question is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 licence (by the UCLA library [1]). This is one of non-free forms of the Creative Commons licences, listed in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Deprecated, that allows free non-commercial use of the image, with proper attributions, but does not allow commercial use. In the formal sense, Wikipedia treats this kind of a licence in exactly the same way as a standard non-free commercial copyright. However, it is also true that if we wanted to use this image on Wikipedia, such usage would most certainly be authorized by its licence. There are two reasons why we try to restrict and discourage the use of non-free images. The first is potential legal problems with copyright owners who may contest the fair use claims. The second is a general desire to encourage distribution and creation of free content. The first reason is inapplicable in this case since, Wikipedia being a non-commercial organization, the image's use here is clearly authorized by its licence. The second reason, which is articulated in the essay Howcheng cited, is, of course, still applicable. I feel, however, that fair use claims for non-free Creative Commons licences may, on occasion, be treated a bit more leniently than fair use claims for ordinary non-free commercial copyrights. In this case the image is certainly not replaceable as Hayden and Fonda are no longer married and it is not likely that they are going to have such a picture-perfect family moment together as the one captured by this picture. While formally, of course, it is not necessary to see this picture to know that Hayden and Fonda were married, the image does make this much more tangible and real and has a rather unique feel to it that certainly adds encyclopedic value to the article. I would give it a pass for these reasons. Nsk92 ( talk) 23:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
As you know, the exclusion of this sort of imge from the WP definition of "free" continue to rankle many editors. But thanks for your support -- I think it's a pretty cool photo, too. Best regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I'm sure it does, but considering the m:mission statement explicitly names free licensing, there's not ever going to be any slack given on that point. howcheng { chat} 23:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Please reread WP:Non-free content and note that the policy is "best treated with common sense and the occasional exception " Plus, it's a dumb policy, imo. Regards, Pete Tillman ( talk) 02:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
This is not an image worth such an exception. You can disagree all you want with the policy and the WMF's mission statement, but they ain't changing. howcheng { chat} 18:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I completely agree with Howcheng on this- this image needs to be treated as non-free. If we would not use an ordinary non-free image in this sense, we should not use this one like this. With such a strictly enforced policy, we need a very good reason to ignore it. J Milburn ( talk) 10:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Yes, but... Whether the photo helps the article or not is a judgement call. So, let's take another look at the article, Tom Hayden. At present, there are 2 photos. The lead photo portrays a rather bilious Hayden, out of focus in a cluttered setting -- a mediocre amateur snapshot. The photo under discussion, taken by a professional photographer, is clean, sharp, and well-composed. It shows Hayden during his "15 minutes of fame", and reminds (or educates) the reader why he was a glamorous and controversial politician then. There's really no question which is the better photo, though both help the reader visualize the subject. To say (as in the original complaint for this IfD) that "this image is not really telling us anything- it is purely decorative" is, well, a dubious statement. In my judgment, the LA Times photo is a fine addition to our article, and there's no question it should be retained. Thanks, Pete Tillman ( talk) 01:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Non-free image in collage. - Nv8200p talk 15:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • Source=Self-made using:<br /> [[Image:Frank Lloyd Wright LC-USZ62-36384.jpg|90px]][[Image:Lewis-Sinclair-LOC.jpg|65px]][[Image:Jack Daniel Statue|66px]][[Image:Abraham Lincoln head on shoulders photo portrait.jpg|74px]][[Image:James Abram Garfield, photo portrait seated.jpg|58px]][[Image:Bill_Evans.JPG|76px]][[Image:Thomas_Jefferson_rev.jpg‎|68px]][[Image:Hillary Rodham Clinton.jpg|68px]][[Image:Anthony Hopkins|68px]]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#1. A free image could be created. - Nv8200p talk 16:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • Living subject, so replaceable image. PhilKnight ( talk) 16:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Per WP:NFC, fair use claims do not apply to non-free images of living individuals in the articles about themselves. One should either find a free image or not have a photo at all. Nsk92 ( talk) 16:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Strong keep. The claim that the image at issue were non-free is utterly unfounded and is in fact false. As I indicated earlier, the photograph originates from a blog belonging to the daughter of Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad (i.e. Ms Baran Kosari), and there is no indication on this blog, whether explicit or implicit, that the image at issue were copyrighted. This is the source of the photograph. Please find a copyright statement on this source, and I shall withdraw my statement. Further, Nsk92 states that "fair use claims do not apply to non-free images of living individuals in the articles about themselves". Firstly, the image at issue is free (see above). Secondly, what is "themselves" supposed to mean? I have added the photograph, and not Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad! I maintain that the image at issue is free and serves a very useful purpose on Wikipedia; it should therefore be kept. I am absolutely dumbfounded by this apparently uncontrollable urge of some to delete whatever image (in particular when the image seems to be in a reasonable condition) that they encounter on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a demolition site! --BF 17:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
    As PhilKnight notes below, all images are presumed to be copyrighted until proved otherwise. What I meant by "themselves" is that it is not OK to use a non-free image of a living person in a WP article about that person. However it may be appropriate, under an appropriate fair use claim, to use a non-free image of a living person in an article about something else. E.g. in an article about some movie it may be OK to use a non-free image of a poster for that movie that portrays some actor playing a character in that move; while it would not be appropriate to use such a poster in an article about the actor himself. A good example is something like Four weddings and a funeral that has a poster with a picture of the actor Hugh Grant. It is fine to use that image in an article about the movie, but not in the article Hugh Grant. Nsk92 ( talk) 19:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
    To quote from the WP:COPYRIGHT policy: "Images and photographs, like written works, are subject to copyright. Someone holds the copyright unless they have been explicitly placed in the public domain." Unless you find or produce some proof that the image in question has been explicitly placed in the public domain, it is presumed to be copyrighted. Instead of going on angry tirades you should take your time to study the basic Wikipedia policies related to copyright issues. Nsk92 ( talk) 19:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - the image was originally tagged as disputed fair use, and I brought it here so we can calmly discuss the situation, not trade insults. Firstly, images are presumed non-free until proved otherwise. Secondly, we generally don't use non-free images to depict living people. PhilKnight ( talk) 17:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: It is not common practice to prove a negative. We do not go to the legal authorities every morning to prove that we did not commit the crimes committed the day before in our town or city; we, however, defend ourselves when accused of having committed a crime. We do not prove that 2 + 2 is not equal to 3, because having done so, we will have to prove that it is also not equal to 5, or 6, or 7, ad infinitum. If Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad does not wish her photograph to be used as free, then it is her responsibility to make sure that there is a copyright statement attached to her photographs (she is a professional film-maker, so she should know well how to protect her rights). Furthermore, you should realise that the Iranians living inside Iran in general do not respond to calls from the people whom they do not know personally and who moreover live abroad; the people contacting them might be on some black list, thus causing them all kinds of problems. I have for instance written to Ms Baran Kosari over two months ago, in connection with a pension fund that I have been trying to set up (for the artists of the older generation who have come to fall on hard times), and I have as yet received no response from her. In not responding, she has not been acting out of order: none of the ten or so active artists that I have written to has responded thus far (I have written to Ms Niki Karimi, Mr Shahab Hosseini, Mr Bahram Radan, Ms Golshifteh Farahani, Ms Leila Hatami, Mr Ali Mosaffa, etc., etc.). You will have to realise that should I turn out to have some links with some "undesirable" political organizations abroad, the mere writing of these people to me can cause them untold miseries. As it happens, I have no association with any political groups, whether desirable or undesirable, but how could these people know? They are left with one option: to play safe and not respond. Please take these basic facts into your consideration when demanding Herculean tasks from others. I have just spent too much of my precious time on arguing with the people (all like you) who seem to have no vision of the outside world beyond their computer screens. Please stop being so unreasonable! In the case at hand, wait until such time as Ms Rakhshan Bani-E'temad possibly writes to Wikipedia and explicitly protests against the exposure of the photograph at issue by Wikipedia. If you, all, are left with some free time (after having acted as public prosecutors, all related to some petty and materially worthless photographs), then you may start reading about the events taking place in the world outside your computer screens. I am deeply annoyed by this utter lack of understanding on the part of some of the Wikipedia editors. When do you want to stop causing so much material and psychological damage to me and my ilk? Do you know at all how the world works? It seems that you have no idea! If deleting Ms Bani-E'temad's photograph is the thing that gives you some special pleasure, then please go ahead and delete it right away. I have lost my patience with so much unreason and parochial attitude displayed so abundantly on Wikipedia! How many more hours, and countless more words, have I to spend on this utterly senseless business before you begin to even to consider to contemplate a bit? You all look like hardened fundamentalists to me, who have found the truth and the only truth (your "Bible" seems to be some Wikipedia rule book, which, incidentally, Nsk92 accuses me of not being familiar with; I must be a heretic here). Please, leave me in peace now! Thank you! --BF 08:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus. - Nv8200p talk 16:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • I am concerned that this image may not be usable under the non-free content criteria, specifically 3a (as multiple non-free images are being used when one would suffice) and 8 (as readers' understanding of the article would not be affected if the image were not included). Stifle ( talk) 18:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Keep — I believe this image is needed on this page, and that it complies with all the non-free use rationale guideline. Both album covers were used interchangeably when the single was released and one is only labeled as the alternative cover by chance. A reader is as likely to identify with as with the other. – Zntrip 18:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - in the context of another very similar image, this doesn't add much. PhilKnight ( talk) 19:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, the only difference from the "main" version is that this has black background instead of while, this difference can be adequately explained by text ("an alternative version of the cover with a black background was also used" or some such), making this a replacable non-free image that is not nessesary for understanding the article. -- Sherool (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per WP:NFCC3a, unnecessary duplication of essentially identical non-free image already used in the article. Nsk92 ( talk) 18:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. All has been said for this one. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke S T # :) 00:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not significant to the understanding of the article. - Nv8200p talk 16:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Strong Oppose Linda Eastman/McCartney's article is a biography. To not have a photo of her with her whole family is tantamount to erasing a very important part of her life. Very little is known about her before she met McCartney, and this photo should not be deleted, in my opinion.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

The problem is that the photo's usage cannot be justified in the article. Please explain how the reader's comprehension of the text of the "Early years and photography" is impaired by the removal of the photo. howcheng { chat} 17:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I would have thought "Early years" would have been enough. I have now split the section into "Early years", and then "Photography". I find the photo to be very relevant to the section, as it does deal with her years as a child. In all honesty, how many photographs have you actually seen of Mrs McCartney as a child? This was the only one I could find. It is informative, and improves the article, because of its relevance.-- andreasegde ( talk) 19:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply

The problem is that there is no discussion of photo in the article itself such that you'd need to see the photo in order to understand the article. If you can add sourced commentary about the photo itself, I'll be happy to withdraw this. howcheng { chat} 18:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

OK, I'll do that, and I thank you.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think that the references 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 refer to her upbringing and family.-- andreasegde ( talk) 00:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC) reply

How can a photograph in a biography about a person's younger life not be meaningful? The person is deceased.-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply

  • Delete I'm going to have to go with the nominator on this. If she were well known for what she looked like as a child, or if something else in the photo was relevant to what made her well known, then maybe it would be different. For example, if she won youth awards as a photographer, and the picture had her holding a camera or the photograph was one she took of herself. But even that would be a stretch. As it is, sorry. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 00:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • I don't follow. Families are like belly buttons - we all have them. Well, most of us do. If this were Tiger Wood's father showing him how to swing a golf club, or this person's mom giving her her first camera or otherwise uniquely contributing to what she would later be known for in a way most families wouldnt', that might be worth something. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 10:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I wonder how notable Cedar Creek, Texas is? Never mind, it's just another example of Wikipedia, and how it eats itself from the inside out.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not significant to the understanding of the article. - Nv8200p talk 16:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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  • NFCC 8 violation. Article does not discuss Linda McCartney's post-cancer diagnosis appearance in any way, so no photo of her from this time is necessary for reader comprehension. howcheng { chat} 22:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Strong Oppose This is a very rare photograph, and should not be deleted, as it shows Linda McCartney as she was shortly before her demise.-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

As above, how is the reader's comprehension of the "Death" section of the article impaired by the removal of the photo? howcheng { chat} 17:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC) reply

One, because it shows a victim of cancer, who was accepted as previously being attractive, but shows the signs of her fateful condition. Two, this sentence, "In January 2000, McCartney announced donations in excess of $2,000,000 for cancer research at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York and the Arizona Cancer Center in Tucson, where Linda received treatment. The centers received $1 million (£625,000) each," says a lot. The section and the photo deals with (albeit not primarily) cancer victims and the support they are given.-- andreasegde ( talk) 19:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC) reply

As above, the problem is that there is no discussion of photo in the article itself such that you'd need to see the photo in order to understand the article. If you can add sourced commentary about the photo itself, I'll be happy to withdraw this. howcheng { chat} 18:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

OK, I'll do that, and I thank you.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think that the references 4,34, and 40 refer to her death.-- andreasegde ( talk) 00:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC) reply

How can a photograph in a biography about a person's later life before her untimely death not be meaningful? The person is deceased. I always read that articles should be illustrated. Does this mean one photo of Mrs McCartney in her 20s? I despair...-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC) reply

  • Delete This photo could replace the one in the infobox, but both are not needed. The one in the infobox has the advantage that she's carrying a camera, an emblem of what she is known for. The 2nd adult picture doesn't say much more than the first, except maybe that she likes flowers and she has a different hairstyle. If you have a picture of her doing cancer-advocacy work, a picture of her on her deathbed, or a picture from her memorial service, those might be appropriate for this section. Of course, any illness- or death-related pictures should have the family's blessing before uploading, for WP:ITSONLYDECENT reasons if nothing else. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 00:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply
  • A picture on her deathbed that was released without her family's blessing would indeed be tasteless. However, one that was publicized by the family would not necessarily be tasteless and, depending on the surrounding text, could easily be encyclopedic. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 10:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

There I was thinking that articles should be illustrated. It's my mistake, because I don't like reading black & white instruction manuals. Such is life...-- andreasegde ( talk) 15:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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