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This question relates to one of those areas where Wikipedia policy is unclear (to me). An editor tagged the Sandvoss article back in April as needing additional sources. Then, today, he blanked the section on Sandvoss's early life (which had no sources at all). The issue is whether the blanking is appropriate. BLP policy states that all unsourced "contentious" material should be removed immediately. However, it doesn't say what you are supposed to do with unsourced non-contentious material. The editor who removed the material didn't challenge the statements in the section. In my view, even with a warning tag, unchallenged material should not be deleted wholesale without first attempting to reach a consensus on the Talk page of the article pursuant to WP:NOBLANKING. Mind you, I have no stake in the material. I didn't create any of it. However, the truth is that many articles about BLPs have unsourced, non-contentious material, and no one removes it, at least not an entire section. I was going to revert the change but decided to pose the question here instead to see if anyone has any comments on the issue generally and with respect to Sandvoss in particular.
As an aside, what causes some section blankings to be tagged and others not?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
While the user did tag the article as a BLP needing additional sources for verification, it would have been better if the user had added something like {{ disputed-section}} or fact tags at the end of each paragraph he was disputing, but he absolutely can simply remove, and the burden is on those seeking to add it back to source it. This is fundamental and really, without it we are lost, for lack of sourcing is our number one problem.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article. Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources yourself that support such material, and cite them.
Certainly an appropriate blanking. Source BLPs or don't include information, it's that simple. Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 06:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the unsourced statements in Julia Roberts that have been languishing should be removed and the same goes for any article on anyone regardless of their degree of fame. I think you've fallen into the trap of looking at the status quo of hundreds of thousands of unsourced and poorly-sourced articles and thinking that since that's the case, we can't really mean what the policy says. Well we do. The problem is that it is the status quo and it's so vast, so everpresent, and there are so many users who do treat this site as a place to write down whatever they fuzzily think they heard somewhere, that the fact that it is a problem, it is wrong, it is not the way it should be done, isn't really known to many even longtime established users.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 23:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I created a page on Kip Morgan - a detective character created by Louis L'Amour. However, I mistakenly wrote "Kip morgan", instead of "Kip Morgan" in the title. Now, however hard I try, I can't change the title from "Kip morgan" to "Kip Morgan", i.e. I can't make the small "m" a capital "M".
Kazimostak Wikipedia contributor and reader (<e-mail removed>) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.40.141 ( talk) 08:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I am posting this here, at the suggestion of the talk page for "Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Bath" (the text disappears if I try to link it)
Why does the top line on that page say
Last time I looked, the University of Bath was in England not the United States
Arjayay (
talk)
08:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
If a page was deleted "Amotz Shemi" is there a way to restore it or do I need to start a new page?
Thanks,
Gili Silenseed ( talk) 08:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
if a page that i did not create was deleted is there any way I can see it or place it again?
thanks,
Gili Gilifocht ( talk) 09:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why don't we have Featured Template?-- Extra 999 ( Contact me + contribs) 11:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
How can I track how many times a source has been referenced? For example, if a book has the ISBN 0-19-511001-5 is there a way to determine how many articles it has been cited in, and also the names of those articles? Chicaneo ( talk) 12:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
OK- tried it with different book & it works just fine. Thanks again. Chicaneo ( talk) 12:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Sir, Madam, The article posted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC_Joint_Technology_Initiative contains many mistakes and inconsistencies about the description of our organisation. We need to replace this article with the correct descritpion of ENIAC JU. The description is on our website: http://www.eniac.eu/web/JU/aboutENIACju.php , you can see that it greatly differs from the article posted on wikipedia. Could you please advise how to remove and replace this article? Thank you, Regards
Claire Gerardin <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by ENIACJU ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Sir, Madam I work for the AMNRL and we would like to put a map with our teams on it with a link to their Wiki pages like the map on the NFL page. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.6.46 ( talk) 15:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It is so annoying when that happens —Preceding unsigned comment added by StellaBloomMusaFloraLaylaTecna ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Can you give us any information regarding this full size (4/4) violin with Wilhelmj imprinted on back at the neck end? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.187.12 ( talk) 16:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
hi i am rmplymouth1 and i have been updating the ben ferguson (footballer) page. However, when i go into the categories at the bottom of the section everybody elses comes up under the letter of their surname. for example, under 'A' it would come up with Simon Anderson, Mike Atherton, etc. I should come under 'F' but I am coming under the 'B' section. HELP!!! please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 ( talk) 16:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks i'll try it - no, my name is charlie bond, the secretery of Okehampton Argyle FC. Thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 ( talk) 10:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
i know some one who keeps saying that kaaba is a black stone and arabs made it for their profit so that muslims travel there and they make money out of it. he does not accep the history or the basic information that everymuslim has.
so how can i make him shut up?
and when i wanted to research about this on the google, i found out that some websites says that kaaba is used to be a hindo temple and if muslimes says we should not worship the stone, they why they themsleves kiss and touch and worship the stone?
it made me think aren't they right that why we kiss the stone, we beleive that Allah is with us and in our hearts so why we go there saying its Allah's home or kiss the stone?
i will apprecaite if some one help me get out of this confusion.
regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.227.23.44 ( talk) 20:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Premission was give to donate the content of the web site to the page for Gar Francis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgrimme507 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The article has a rankings box which list Forbes as indicating that Pepperdine is ranked #363. The fact is that Forbes ranked the university in america's best colleges as #142. Please correct.
Thanks,
Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgcannon79 ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I recently added a whole new section to an entry on Wikipedia (Tourism, under the "Guam" entry). I checked several times after I entered the new section, and everything appeared in order. Last week, I checked the entry, and all the new information I had entered was deleted. Why? Should I just re-post?
Guamvisitorsbureau ( talk) 22:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to reinvent the wheel so I was wondering if the page I am thinking of writing, tentatively to be called Wikipedia:Finding online sources, already exists. It seems to me a hole that should be filled if it does not. The content is to focus on the location of free, reliable, online sources, how to use them, tips for searching and surrounding issues. Basically, the point will be to have a place to direct users for actual advice on the "how", after we give the almost ubiquitous direction to "go source something" for the many, many reasons we do so. Again, only looking for confirmation such a resource doesn't already exist. The only page I know of that focused on this general treatment at all, but not in a way I think was very useful, was Wikipedia:Reliable sources/temp#Finding good sources. This is not intended to be an index like Wikipedia:Current science and technology sources.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 22:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It inevitably has a link to wikipedia. When I click on anything featured by your site I get automatically redirected to some site that I know must have some sort of virus/trojan/malware. Please look into this IMMEDIATELY. This only happens with your site. I managed to get onto wikipedia through putting the address into the address bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.170.150 ( talk) 22:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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This question relates to one of those areas where Wikipedia policy is unclear (to me). An editor tagged the Sandvoss article back in April as needing additional sources. Then, today, he blanked the section on Sandvoss's early life (which had no sources at all). The issue is whether the blanking is appropriate. BLP policy states that all unsourced "contentious" material should be removed immediately. However, it doesn't say what you are supposed to do with unsourced non-contentious material. The editor who removed the material didn't challenge the statements in the section. In my view, even with a warning tag, unchallenged material should not be deleted wholesale without first attempting to reach a consensus on the Talk page of the article pursuant to WP:NOBLANKING. Mind you, I have no stake in the material. I didn't create any of it. However, the truth is that many articles about BLPs have unsourced, non-contentious material, and no one removes it, at least not an entire section. I was going to revert the change but decided to pose the question here instead to see if anyone has any comments on the issue generally and with respect to Sandvoss in particular.
As an aside, what causes some section blankings to be tagged and others not?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
While the user did tag the article as a BLP needing additional sources for verification, it would have been better if the user had added something like {{ disputed-section}} or fact tags at the end of each paragraph he was disputing, but he absolutely can simply remove, and the burden is on those seeking to add it back to source it. This is fundamental and really, without it we are lost, for lack of sourcing is our number one problem.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article. Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources yourself that support such material, and cite them.
Certainly an appropriate blanking. Source BLPs or don't include information, it's that simple. Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 06:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the unsourced statements in Julia Roberts that have been languishing should be removed and the same goes for any article on anyone regardless of their degree of fame. I think you've fallen into the trap of looking at the status quo of hundreds of thousands of unsourced and poorly-sourced articles and thinking that since that's the case, we can't really mean what the policy says. Well we do. The problem is that it is the status quo and it's so vast, so everpresent, and there are so many users who do treat this site as a place to write down whatever they fuzzily think they heard somewhere, that the fact that it is a problem, it is wrong, it is not the way it should be done, isn't really known to many even longtime established users.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 23:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I created a page on Kip Morgan - a detective character created by Louis L'Amour. However, I mistakenly wrote "Kip morgan", instead of "Kip Morgan" in the title. Now, however hard I try, I can't change the title from "Kip morgan" to "Kip Morgan", i.e. I can't make the small "m" a capital "M".
Kazimostak Wikipedia contributor and reader (<e-mail removed>) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.40.141 ( talk) 08:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I am posting this here, at the suggestion of the talk page for "Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Bath" (the text disappears if I try to link it)
Why does the top line on that page say
Last time I looked, the University of Bath was in England not the United States
Arjayay (
talk)
08:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
If a page was deleted "Amotz Shemi" is there a way to restore it or do I need to start a new page?
Thanks,
Gili Silenseed ( talk) 08:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
if a page that i did not create was deleted is there any way I can see it or place it again?
thanks,
Gili Gilifocht ( talk) 09:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why don't we have Featured Template?-- Extra 999 ( Contact me + contribs) 11:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
How can I track how many times a source has been referenced? For example, if a book has the ISBN 0-19-511001-5 is there a way to determine how many articles it has been cited in, and also the names of those articles? Chicaneo ( talk) 12:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
OK- tried it with different book & it works just fine. Thanks again. Chicaneo ( talk) 12:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Sir, Madam, The article posted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC_Joint_Technology_Initiative contains many mistakes and inconsistencies about the description of our organisation. We need to replace this article with the correct descritpion of ENIAC JU. The description is on our website: http://www.eniac.eu/web/JU/aboutENIACju.php , you can see that it greatly differs from the article posted on wikipedia. Could you please advise how to remove and replace this article? Thank you, Regards
Claire Gerardin <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by ENIACJU ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Sir, Madam I work for the AMNRL and we would like to put a map with our teams on it with a link to their Wiki pages like the map on the NFL page. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.6.46 ( talk) 15:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It is so annoying when that happens —Preceding unsigned comment added by StellaBloomMusaFloraLaylaTecna ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Can you give us any information regarding this full size (4/4) violin with Wilhelmj imprinted on back at the neck end? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.187.12 ( talk) 16:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
hi i am rmplymouth1 and i have been updating the ben ferguson (footballer) page. However, when i go into the categories at the bottom of the section everybody elses comes up under the letter of their surname. for example, under 'A' it would come up with Simon Anderson, Mike Atherton, etc. I should come under 'F' but I am coming under the 'B' section. HELP!!! please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 ( talk) 16:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks i'll try it - no, my name is charlie bond, the secretery of Okehampton Argyle FC. Thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 ( talk) 10:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
i know some one who keeps saying that kaaba is a black stone and arabs made it for their profit so that muslims travel there and they make money out of it. he does not accep the history or the basic information that everymuslim has.
so how can i make him shut up?
and when i wanted to research about this on the google, i found out that some websites says that kaaba is used to be a hindo temple and if muslimes says we should not worship the stone, they why they themsleves kiss and touch and worship the stone?
it made me think aren't they right that why we kiss the stone, we beleive that Allah is with us and in our hearts so why we go there saying its Allah's home or kiss the stone?
i will apprecaite if some one help me get out of this confusion.
regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.227.23.44 ( talk) 20:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Premission was give to donate the content of the web site to the page for Gar Francis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgrimme507 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The article has a rankings box which list Forbes as indicating that Pepperdine is ranked #363. The fact is that Forbes ranked the university in america's best colleges as #142. Please correct.
Thanks,
Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgcannon79 ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I recently added a whole new section to an entry on Wikipedia (Tourism, under the "Guam" entry). I checked several times after I entered the new section, and everything appeared in order. Last week, I checked the entry, and all the new information I had entered was deleted. Why? Should I just re-post?
Guamvisitorsbureau ( talk) 22:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to reinvent the wheel so I was wondering if the page I am thinking of writing, tentatively to be called Wikipedia:Finding online sources, already exists. It seems to me a hole that should be filled if it does not. The content is to focus on the location of free, reliable, online sources, how to use them, tips for searching and surrounding issues. Basically, the point will be to have a place to direct users for actual advice on the "how", after we give the almost ubiquitous direction to "go source something" for the many, many reasons we do so. Again, only looking for confirmation such a resource doesn't already exist. The only page I know of that focused on this general treatment at all, but not in a way I think was very useful, was Wikipedia:Reliable sources/temp#Finding good sources. This is not intended to be an index like Wikipedia:Current science and technology sources.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 22:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
It inevitably has a link to wikipedia. When I click on anything featured by your site I get automatically redirected to some site that I know must have some sort of virus/trojan/malware. Please look into this IMMEDIATELY. This only happens with your site. I managed to get onto wikipedia through putting the address into the address bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.170.150 ( talk) 22:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)