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I think that this article should be reviewed because:
I hope you would review the article and see whether it fits the GA Status. Thanks in advance! Kevin Ray 14:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I feel this article should be reviewed as;
1) It has a mere 7 inline citations, all of which provide insufficient info regarding the sources, ie. author, retrieval date etc.
2) Tons of sections have no citations and make critiques on albums, which is actually considered original research and isn't allowed in a Good Article.
4) "Instruments" and "Trivia" sections are listy, which disrupts prose. This violates the demand that the article should be "well written".
This article isn't up to GA standards at present in my opinion, namely for the reasons cited. LuciferMorgan 18:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The math and science description at the following address shows an undeniable error Einstein made in his math and science description. The errors make relativity impossible to be true science. So, if you want correct science descriptions this should be reviewed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StevenCrum
Keep Article meets all criteria of a good article, the objection, which seems to fall into a particular category from new editors here, notwithstanding. FeloniousMonk 20:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Keep and speedy close - This person has not shown that this article fails to meet the GA criteria. Indeed this person's complaint is against the topic itself and its acceptance in the scientific community. It is not our job to rule on the "truth" of relativity. Instead, it is our job to document it as it is currently understood by the mainstream scientific community, and this article does that. -- EMS | Talk 03:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
(unindent) Please see What Wikipedia is Not, and specifically WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought I think this will greatly help. I have no way of judging if the math is wrong, or even judging whether the math mistake necessarily dictates that his theory is wrong. Publish it somewhere reputable and then we can use it. Wikipedia is not the publisher of last resort for anyone. -- plange 03:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
For information, stating the true fact that Wikipedia's math check only involves that math check, and has absolutely nothing to do with a third publishing source, someone's granny's pet poodle opinion, or anything else not related in the truth of the math checking. As far as my point about the issue not being about inclusion in Wikipedia, the truth behind that is that relativity factually should be included, but because it is a proven false theory it should be described as a history event in science. That obviopusly isn't going to occur in any case, but Wikipedia standing up in credibility and truth likely isn't going to either. If they don't want to be credible, they should remove the fancy box that describes how their paragon expertiese exists in the astonishingly great math checking they did before including articles. If they aren't going to do the math checks right, it is hypocritical to state the false situation and where readers are falsely led into thinking it is factually correct. So, getting rid of the "expert checking" is another way for them to slither out from around responsibility and integrity also. Of course, they could professionally and responsibly have the math checked by independent math experts to determine the truth or disporrof of the recent math proof. But, douing something like that which involves some professionalism and credibility seems to be beyond their understanding of principles and other things regarding excellence, huh? Gee, now why didn't any of them think of something like that? It's just a whole lot easier to put only things in Wikipedia that "others" are then responsible for all of the truth and rightness instead of actually being responsible themselves. So, I respect the truth of your point when it fits, but it factually is not the issue involved. StevenCrum 03:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The undeniable part is in the fact that not one single credible mathematician can deny the facts of that math proof. You can check with every single math expert on the planet and the end result will prove the truth that it is factual and undeniable in fact. So, I understand your position of including only published articles, but my point is entirely about the math checking error that Wikipedia did in checking the math. This is NOT about the eagerness of the Wikipedia math check process, but instead the facts of the matter that an error occurred even if the math checking group didn't know of the math involved. Now, the math proof is in plain site, and the only cerdible thing to do is recheck the math. Failing to recheck is irresponsible and shows a true lack of professionalism and integrity. For information, it isn't just me spouting a personal opinion about the failed math, but is fully based on the true math fact that the math of synchronization truly fails. The situation is that what I have described in the failed math is as factually wrong as anything on this planet can get. Math proofs that are real and factually undenaible in what the written proof shows are undenaible fact, and are not based on opinion even in the slightest. So, if Wikipedia wants to maintain any cerdibility at all they need check this by math professionals for the truth involved. It is also a crime in professionalism for any math expert to just skim over the surface and think how could relativity be wrong, instead of a competent math check. As far as your point about getting a true math proof published in science journals, that is an incredibly good idea, but I guarantee that you have no idea how far beyond even your description that getting that even considered by anyone outside the "accredited expert" level has in accomplishing that. There are FACTUALLY experts in the relativity field that don't care at all about whether a math proof exists or not, and are fully able and are involved in the cover-up process to keep the false science going so their careers and reputations aren't destroyed. Only in the fantasy world are there the experts who love science so much that they acknowledge science truths before their own selfish interests. An example of this, whether believed or not, is that a cure for cancer factually exists now, and it is being suppressed by two different groups. One is a government group that knows the devastating affect that a cancer cure would have on social security payments that would occur in the near future. They are having serious problems with how to pay the money without having roughly 1500 people per day not dying off for them. The second group is a hospital that fully knows the cure, but they will lose millions by having it be known. Doctors will also have to change career specialties. That hospital is planning to use the cure, but only after chemo and all other methods fail. They will then use the cure without anyone knowing how, and state that the chemo did work in the end. This will make that hospital have an extremely high cure rate, and they will eventually be the only hospital with an amazingly 100% cure rate. It will be the hospital's secret and an ultra-huge profit situation. The point of this is you would be surprise at just how deep the self-interest cover-up garbage is. It has absolutely nothing to do with truth of science. You might note also that the doctors have sworn an oath to protect and treat their patients according to the oath taken. For profit, that oath only involves their patients and not the entire group of sick people. And, if you think hospitals are not able to think of the millions they will lose first before all patients, you should consider again. They get around this by thinking all patients need to do anywhere is to come to their hospital. So, your point was very good, but I am going in a direction that will factually cram it down the hypocrite's throats, and exactly as they deserve. For what it's worth, whether Wikipedia stands up for truth and checks the math or not isn't even involved in that plan. I have tried for two years discussing things like this with people and expecting professional intelligence and credibility to exist, and have seen precisely how truly bad the credibility situation factually is. I am now using a fully deserved method that doesn't rely on responses by hypocrites at all. I have given them far more time to respond intelligently and every single one of them have failed completely. Now, the nice way is ended, and I am going to end it all with truth and justice. BTW, what you don't understand is that Wikipedia was the last of a long line of groups that have now been documented and recorded fully in all of the irresponsibility and professional failures to stand up for truth in science and other things. The groups go form the government itself and its illegal activity, through the press, which spouts hypocritically that they are the news source for informing and protecting the public, through several locations with supposed-responsible scientists, science news sources, and finally an encyclopedia that is written by the so-called experts, and is supposedly writing truthful information to the public. And through a very long time now and roughly 500 writings that I have done, in all that time there was only one person that actually had the integrity to respond positively, and that was extremely brief. And no, it was NOT the weird things or anything like that that I was writing because a whole lot of the things were obvious truths. Anyway, thanks for your comments, but the above describes it all. The better way is if people won't listen to intelliegnt truth and acknowledge truth, then they will find out why they should have and be fully embarrassed by their actions. StevenCrum 02:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
StevenCrum, I urge you to spend your energy on getting your result published in a peer-reviewed journal, instead of arguing on these pages. The discovery that Lorentz, Einstein, and all the mathematicians and physicists after them who studied special relativity where wrong, will surely earn you the Nobel prize in physics. -- Lambiam Talk 18:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, your own argument that it needs to be examined by math professionals is exactly why Wikipedia is not the place to determine if your math is correct: we do not have paid math professionals on staff! That is precisely why the No Original Research policy exists. You need to take this to math professionals and get this published elsewhere. Here is not the place, and we are NOT the publisher of last resort if you've failed to convince others. It's a hard row to hoe to disprove something this big, but if you are correct, it will eventually come out. There are plenty of cases where a scientist of 20 years ago was mocked by the scientific establishment but their science held true and they received a Nobel for it and their views are now the established views... Wikipedia is NOT the place, however, to overturn scientific consensus. -- plange 20:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The GA rating implies that truthful math exists for special relativity. My purpose is NOT to have my math proof checked, but fully the situation of convincing the GA review group of the FACT that the math proof proves relativity to be a false theory. This doesn't mean you cannot have relativity as an article, but ONLY the factual situation of that IF it fails the math check, which it FACTUALLY will, then you might consider removing the GA rating. THAT'S IT, and incredibly easy to understand the facts of truth involved. If you don't want to do it, then don't. StevenCrum 05:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, StevenCrum. I'm just a friendly 15-year-old who has been watching this debate with interest. I'm no fan of the Verifiability policy, and I don't wish to take sides, but I think I must point something out. If you really think you have discovered evidence refuting relativity, instead of arguing with the bigots here, why don't you find some real mathematicians to review your evidence, and get it published in the newspapers? If your refutation is correct, you will become internationally famous! In addition, besides Wikipedia, the refutation will go into millions of encyclopedias, textbooks, newspapers, academic/scientific publications and reports across the world - more will know the truth, not just Wikipedia readers! Wikipedia implemented the Verifiability policy because many physics cranks tried to insert their hoax theories into Wikipedia. Take your refutation to the newspapers, and show the bigots here that you are smarter than them; that you're not a physics crank! -- J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I move to close this discussion. The Math and Physics projects have replied that his math is wrong and have supported our stance re: WP:OR, and WP:V -- plange 20:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
This was delisted with the sole stated reason being a lack of photos. Yet this, in my interpretation, is against WP:WIAGA. Ie:
It was actually proposed to be delisted in July [1] but not actually delisted. it came to my attention when another editor actually delisted it a few days ago: [2]. There is also some discussion of the issue on Talk:Overthrow of Sukarno. I suggest it should be relisted as point (3) above suggests. Ie:
regards -- Merbabu 07:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree that it should not be de-listed because of Criteria 6. While images are always more ideal, this topic is one that doesn't particularly need images in order for the reader to be able to fully understand the subject matter. However, I do think the article needs some work with Criteria 2, especially in-line citations. There is also subtle POV tones but nothing too alarming. Agne 07:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Since I had been requested a comment on my talk page pertaining to my delistment, I will answer here.
When one is reading criterion 6, 6a intends that if there are pictures in the article, they out to be well tagged and if they are fair use images, then adding a fair use rationale is necessary to be GA; 6b states that an image isn't necessary unless the editor finds one. In that case 6a overrules 6b because there is an image in the article.
Everything else still seems to be in GA accordance in the article so just adding a fair use rationale to the picture would have given the GA status back then. I'm sorry I overlook that article and thanks for bring it back to my attention. Lincher 15:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The stated reason for delisting the article was an objection to some of the references on the grounds that they weren't books published by university presses. Consensus appears to be running heavily contrary to this understanding of a "reliable source", so I'm putting it here for review.
The article may fail other criteria, notably stability. A.J.A. 18:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm....This is one that needs some thinking. I agree that the de-listing reasonings are not very accurate but overall I'm not sure of this article's standing as a Good Article. There are some issues with Criteria 1 in that I think it needs to more use of content forks with a link to the main article and provide a better summary paragraph for where they do link to another article. I don't see any glaring POV violation but there needs to be a better presentation of a more "Generic" detailing of Christianity. In reading the article you can see a sort of denomination hop scotch between the influences of Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox and even modern day Gnostic thought on Christianity. It's an incredibly difficult task to accomplish but one that the editors should strive for. My concern in this de-listing is that the motivation for ANY delisting should be a desire to make the article article better, not as a tool in a POV or edit war. Thusly, a de-listing notice should include concrete and specific details of the concerns the article has in failing
WP:WIAGA and where the editors should work on improving. The overall goal of this process is for the editors to have roadmap of where they can tidy and fix up and eventually achieve GA status again.
To that extent, I think the article should be re-listed because the de-listing reasons are not sufficient. However, I whole heartedly agree with RelHistbuff that it is open to de-listing again and I, very well, might do that after a more through review.
Agne 20:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Article has been rewritten and problems from last review fixed. Would like rereview to fix any further problems and get suggestions on how to get the article into GA status and later FA. 123wiki123 06:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
This article was listed as GA on 10 October. I didn't recall that this article was renominated again. However, I see in the talk page that there is a discussion about its renomination, but alas there is no GA review for the 2nd nomination. Seeing the content of this article, esp. at the beginning, it is not GA, IMO. What are other opinions? Keep or delist? — Indon ( reply) — 14:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Given the rather long discussions we have had concerning math and physics articles, I would like to see improvement in the reviews of these articles. I hope I have done so with Hilbert space. Unfortunately, the review of Derivative is not a good review example. In my opinion, just by glancing at the article there are other issues to improve such as a better lead section and introduction section. It may deserve a GA, but in my opinion, we lose credibility with the math and physics authors if we give such "light-hearted" passes. I am interested in other opinions. RelHistBuff 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to get away from focussing on citations. I am mainly concerned with GA credibility. Our job, IMO, is to help improve articles. The Derivative article really needed improvement and unfortunately the GA review did not help in that at all. To make up for this (and to close this issue), I will add some comments on the talk page later today. Salix alba has a good point. We do need better guidelines for GA assessors. However, I don't think the process is broken. It just needs to be improved. RelHistBuff 08:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It looks like someone has gotten into the article, especially the first part, and mucked it up---is it for real, or supposed to be funny or something? Sorry, I don't see how else to report it.
75.80.189.131 16:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The sourcing of a lot of things in this article (other than the news stuff) is based on fan sites. This is acceptable, I guess if nothing else is available, but over the past few years a lot of serious scholarly papers have been written about the cultural and literary impact of Harry Potter. For instance, this is a good compilation of scholarly articles on the Harry Potter phenomenon, and a Google Scholar search turns up many more. Hence, this article fails WP:RS, and thus Good Article criteria 2c. Borisblue 14:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion this article fails WP:WIAGA criteria 3a (it addresses all major aspects of the topic). Alot more could be added about the topic such as how they are detected and possibly a section on how thunder storms affet cities and people. Would anyone else agree? -- Tarret 00:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this article up to our standards? I think it is a borderline case, with few references, a heavy focus on products rather than the company and a comparatively long discussion of the company's criticism of the D20 system. All the recent discussion about quality made me decide to err on the side of caution and list it for review. Cedars 01:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it look ok now? Lincher 20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
This should be reviewed as it clearly has a bias towards those on the side of creationism. It belittles the beliefs of the scientific majority regarding evolution. Much of what is written there has obviously been written by fire and brimstone Christians. 202.164.195.56 03:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC) Mike 1:15PM 15 September
I've delisted the article with a review left on on the article's talk page Agne 03:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
If it was a matter of just one guideline (where a subjective view could be at play), I concede that consenus among GA reviewers should be achieved prior to de-listing. However, out of the 6 GA criteria the article had issues in all 6 include 3 precise issues brought up by 3 different individuals (not counting myself) above-POV by original poster, US centric by Eusebeus and stability by RelHistBuff. I don't think my de-listing was unilateral in the slightest and I give very precise and detailed reasonings in all 6 of the categories. While an individual may disagree with my assessment in one or two, I highly doubt that one could interpret the above as consensus that the article passes all 6 of the criteria to merit being a good article. Agne 04:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to delve into this discussion, but this seems to be a discussion about the article and not about its GA status. If the article is unstable and/or there are doubts about its POV at the moment, it's enough for it not to be considered a GA candidate. Please continue to discuss the article in its talk page and close this review. Bravada, talk - 20:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe it should not be listed, not because it may have slight POV issues, but because it is a current dispute and information will change as circumstances also change. -- Ci e lomobile minor7 ♭5 05:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone agree that this article is too "in-universe" to be a GA. -- Tarret 00:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to agree with Yn here. You will have a very hard time writing an out-of-universe perspective on this subject. You cannot write about the subject of Shinigami as a whole, because that goes in a different article, Shinigami. You can't really write about similarities to portrayals of shinigami in other media either, because that would be a WP:NOR violation. To compound matters further, most of the source material is still only in Japanese. The MOS's out of universe perspective guidelines really don't give any suggestions on what to do, and only vague ones on what NOT to do.
Actually, the Pokemon GA's you just pointed me to are interesting in that they read like a combination of in-universe and game guide/FAQ. -- tjstrf 09:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I've delisted the article. Please see the respective talk page for the complete list. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 09:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just browsing GA page, and found this article. I'd like to ask whether future event/product can be categorized as GA. I think it does not conform with criterion (2). I want others' opinion before taking any action. Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 10:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is delisted. — Indon ( reply) — 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is poorly written: the sysnopsis is far too long, there are way too many lists (most of which should be prosified or removed), and much of the stuff looks very irrelevant - what's the point of mentioning every Lucasfilm mention? External links sections is wayyy too long and there are few in-line citations. Someone ranked this an A-class? You're kidding me. Hbdragon88 07:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I delisted it. If anybody objects, they can bring it here. Hbdragon88 22:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The person who said the GA failed did not note that the generic sentences were there to bring it to GA standards, not to be generic. Such is required for articles under WP:FICT at GA or FA status. All of WP:PCP's good articles have such sentences...if this were to be a GA, it could. I could be bold from there and take out the gameguidecruft and do copyediting as well. Shin'ou's TTV ( Futaba| Masago| Kotobuki) 18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, the page is protected due to an edit war. There is a disagreement about the inclusion of references to Dutch and the mutual intelligibility of both languages. A review of non-partisans might be a good thing. -- LucVerhelst 11:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a good article? It used to start out with a giant image add for Apple?!?! Plus it contained alot of obviously speculative, irrelevant information.
Talk/Discussion page under Major Cleanup Section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Podcasting#Major_Cleanup:__This_really_needs_a_fix —Preceding unsigned comment added by Testerer ( talk • contribs)
First time request for a review of this article for possible listing as a Good Article. - Gemsbok1 11:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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I think that this article should be reviewed because:
I hope you would review the article and see whether it fits the GA Status. Thanks in advance! Kevin Ray 14:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I feel this article should be reviewed as;
1) It has a mere 7 inline citations, all of which provide insufficient info regarding the sources, ie. author, retrieval date etc.
2) Tons of sections have no citations and make critiques on albums, which is actually considered original research and isn't allowed in a Good Article.
4) "Instruments" and "Trivia" sections are listy, which disrupts prose. This violates the demand that the article should be "well written".
This article isn't up to GA standards at present in my opinion, namely for the reasons cited. LuciferMorgan 18:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The math and science description at the following address shows an undeniable error Einstein made in his math and science description. The errors make relativity impossible to be true science. So, if you want correct science descriptions this should be reviewed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StevenCrum
Keep Article meets all criteria of a good article, the objection, which seems to fall into a particular category from new editors here, notwithstanding. FeloniousMonk 20:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Keep and speedy close - This person has not shown that this article fails to meet the GA criteria. Indeed this person's complaint is against the topic itself and its acceptance in the scientific community. It is not our job to rule on the "truth" of relativity. Instead, it is our job to document it as it is currently understood by the mainstream scientific community, and this article does that. -- EMS | Talk 03:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
(unindent) Please see What Wikipedia is Not, and specifically WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought I think this will greatly help. I have no way of judging if the math is wrong, or even judging whether the math mistake necessarily dictates that his theory is wrong. Publish it somewhere reputable and then we can use it. Wikipedia is not the publisher of last resort for anyone. -- plange 03:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
For information, stating the true fact that Wikipedia's math check only involves that math check, and has absolutely nothing to do with a third publishing source, someone's granny's pet poodle opinion, or anything else not related in the truth of the math checking. As far as my point about the issue not being about inclusion in Wikipedia, the truth behind that is that relativity factually should be included, but because it is a proven false theory it should be described as a history event in science. That obviopusly isn't going to occur in any case, but Wikipedia standing up in credibility and truth likely isn't going to either. If they don't want to be credible, they should remove the fancy box that describes how their paragon expertiese exists in the astonishingly great math checking they did before including articles. If they aren't going to do the math checks right, it is hypocritical to state the false situation and where readers are falsely led into thinking it is factually correct. So, getting rid of the "expert checking" is another way for them to slither out from around responsibility and integrity also. Of course, they could professionally and responsibly have the math checked by independent math experts to determine the truth or disporrof of the recent math proof. But, douing something like that which involves some professionalism and credibility seems to be beyond their understanding of principles and other things regarding excellence, huh? Gee, now why didn't any of them think of something like that? It's just a whole lot easier to put only things in Wikipedia that "others" are then responsible for all of the truth and rightness instead of actually being responsible themselves. So, I respect the truth of your point when it fits, but it factually is not the issue involved. StevenCrum 03:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The undeniable part is in the fact that not one single credible mathematician can deny the facts of that math proof. You can check with every single math expert on the planet and the end result will prove the truth that it is factual and undeniable in fact. So, I understand your position of including only published articles, but my point is entirely about the math checking error that Wikipedia did in checking the math. This is NOT about the eagerness of the Wikipedia math check process, but instead the facts of the matter that an error occurred even if the math checking group didn't know of the math involved. Now, the math proof is in plain site, and the only cerdible thing to do is recheck the math. Failing to recheck is irresponsible and shows a true lack of professionalism and integrity. For information, it isn't just me spouting a personal opinion about the failed math, but is fully based on the true math fact that the math of synchronization truly fails. The situation is that what I have described in the failed math is as factually wrong as anything on this planet can get. Math proofs that are real and factually undenaible in what the written proof shows are undenaible fact, and are not based on opinion even in the slightest. So, if Wikipedia wants to maintain any cerdibility at all they need check this by math professionals for the truth involved. It is also a crime in professionalism for any math expert to just skim over the surface and think how could relativity be wrong, instead of a competent math check. As far as your point about getting a true math proof published in science journals, that is an incredibly good idea, but I guarantee that you have no idea how far beyond even your description that getting that even considered by anyone outside the "accredited expert" level has in accomplishing that. There are FACTUALLY experts in the relativity field that don't care at all about whether a math proof exists or not, and are fully able and are involved in the cover-up process to keep the false science going so their careers and reputations aren't destroyed. Only in the fantasy world are there the experts who love science so much that they acknowledge science truths before their own selfish interests. An example of this, whether believed or not, is that a cure for cancer factually exists now, and it is being suppressed by two different groups. One is a government group that knows the devastating affect that a cancer cure would have on social security payments that would occur in the near future. They are having serious problems with how to pay the money without having roughly 1500 people per day not dying off for them. The second group is a hospital that fully knows the cure, but they will lose millions by having it be known. Doctors will also have to change career specialties. That hospital is planning to use the cure, but only after chemo and all other methods fail. They will then use the cure without anyone knowing how, and state that the chemo did work in the end. This will make that hospital have an extremely high cure rate, and they will eventually be the only hospital with an amazingly 100% cure rate. It will be the hospital's secret and an ultra-huge profit situation. The point of this is you would be surprise at just how deep the self-interest cover-up garbage is. It has absolutely nothing to do with truth of science. You might note also that the doctors have sworn an oath to protect and treat their patients according to the oath taken. For profit, that oath only involves their patients and not the entire group of sick people. And, if you think hospitals are not able to think of the millions they will lose first before all patients, you should consider again. They get around this by thinking all patients need to do anywhere is to come to their hospital. So, your point was very good, but I am going in a direction that will factually cram it down the hypocrite's throats, and exactly as they deserve. For what it's worth, whether Wikipedia stands up for truth and checks the math or not isn't even involved in that plan. I have tried for two years discussing things like this with people and expecting professional intelligence and credibility to exist, and have seen precisely how truly bad the credibility situation factually is. I am now using a fully deserved method that doesn't rely on responses by hypocrites at all. I have given them far more time to respond intelligently and every single one of them have failed completely. Now, the nice way is ended, and I am going to end it all with truth and justice. BTW, what you don't understand is that Wikipedia was the last of a long line of groups that have now been documented and recorded fully in all of the irresponsibility and professional failures to stand up for truth in science and other things. The groups go form the government itself and its illegal activity, through the press, which spouts hypocritically that they are the news source for informing and protecting the public, through several locations with supposed-responsible scientists, science news sources, and finally an encyclopedia that is written by the so-called experts, and is supposedly writing truthful information to the public. And through a very long time now and roughly 500 writings that I have done, in all that time there was only one person that actually had the integrity to respond positively, and that was extremely brief. And no, it was NOT the weird things or anything like that that I was writing because a whole lot of the things were obvious truths. Anyway, thanks for your comments, but the above describes it all. The better way is if people won't listen to intelliegnt truth and acknowledge truth, then they will find out why they should have and be fully embarrassed by their actions. StevenCrum 02:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
StevenCrum, I urge you to spend your energy on getting your result published in a peer-reviewed journal, instead of arguing on these pages. The discovery that Lorentz, Einstein, and all the mathematicians and physicists after them who studied special relativity where wrong, will surely earn you the Nobel prize in physics. -- Lambiam Talk 18:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, your own argument that it needs to be examined by math professionals is exactly why Wikipedia is not the place to determine if your math is correct: we do not have paid math professionals on staff! That is precisely why the No Original Research policy exists. You need to take this to math professionals and get this published elsewhere. Here is not the place, and we are NOT the publisher of last resort if you've failed to convince others. It's a hard row to hoe to disprove something this big, but if you are correct, it will eventually come out. There are plenty of cases where a scientist of 20 years ago was mocked by the scientific establishment but their science held true and they received a Nobel for it and their views are now the established views... Wikipedia is NOT the place, however, to overturn scientific consensus. -- plange 20:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The GA rating implies that truthful math exists for special relativity. My purpose is NOT to have my math proof checked, but fully the situation of convincing the GA review group of the FACT that the math proof proves relativity to be a false theory. This doesn't mean you cannot have relativity as an article, but ONLY the factual situation of that IF it fails the math check, which it FACTUALLY will, then you might consider removing the GA rating. THAT'S IT, and incredibly easy to understand the facts of truth involved. If you don't want to do it, then don't. StevenCrum 05:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, StevenCrum. I'm just a friendly 15-year-old who has been watching this debate with interest. I'm no fan of the Verifiability policy, and I don't wish to take sides, but I think I must point something out. If you really think you have discovered evidence refuting relativity, instead of arguing with the bigots here, why don't you find some real mathematicians to review your evidence, and get it published in the newspapers? If your refutation is correct, you will become internationally famous! In addition, besides Wikipedia, the refutation will go into millions of encyclopedias, textbooks, newspapers, academic/scientific publications and reports across the world - more will know the truth, not just Wikipedia readers! Wikipedia implemented the Verifiability policy because many physics cranks tried to insert their hoax theories into Wikipedia. Take your refutation to the newspapers, and show the bigots here that you are smarter than them; that you're not a physics crank! -- J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I move to close this discussion. The Math and Physics projects have replied that his math is wrong and have supported our stance re: WP:OR, and WP:V -- plange 20:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
This was delisted with the sole stated reason being a lack of photos. Yet this, in my interpretation, is against WP:WIAGA. Ie:
It was actually proposed to be delisted in July [1] but not actually delisted. it came to my attention when another editor actually delisted it a few days ago: [2]. There is also some discussion of the issue on Talk:Overthrow of Sukarno. I suggest it should be relisted as point (3) above suggests. Ie:
regards -- Merbabu 07:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree that it should not be de-listed because of Criteria 6. While images are always more ideal, this topic is one that doesn't particularly need images in order for the reader to be able to fully understand the subject matter. However, I do think the article needs some work with Criteria 2, especially in-line citations. There is also subtle POV tones but nothing too alarming. Agne 07:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Since I had been requested a comment on my talk page pertaining to my delistment, I will answer here.
When one is reading criterion 6, 6a intends that if there are pictures in the article, they out to be well tagged and if they are fair use images, then adding a fair use rationale is necessary to be GA; 6b states that an image isn't necessary unless the editor finds one. In that case 6a overrules 6b because there is an image in the article.
Everything else still seems to be in GA accordance in the article so just adding a fair use rationale to the picture would have given the GA status back then. I'm sorry I overlook that article and thanks for bring it back to my attention. Lincher 15:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The stated reason for delisting the article was an objection to some of the references on the grounds that they weren't books published by university presses. Consensus appears to be running heavily contrary to this understanding of a "reliable source", so I'm putting it here for review.
The article may fail other criteria, notably stability. A.J.A. 18:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm....This is one that needs some thinking. I agree that the de-listing reasonings are not very accurate but overall I'm not sure of this article's standing as a Good Article. There are some issues with Criteria 1 in that I think it needs to more use of content forks with a link to the main article and provide a better summary paragraph for where they do link to another article. I don't see any glaring POV violation but there needs to be a better presentation of a more "Generic" detailing of Christianity. In reading the article you can see a sort of denomination hop scotch between the influences of Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox and even modern day Gnostic thought on Christianity. It's an incredibly difficult task to accomplish but one that the editors should strive for. My concern in this de-listing is that the motivation for ANY delisting should be a desire to make the article article better, not as a tool in a POV or edit war. Thusly, a de-listing notice should include concrete and specific details of the concerns the article has in failing
WP:WIAGA and where the editors should work on improving. The overall goal of this process is for the editors to have roadmap of where they can tidy and fix up and eventually achieve GA status again.
To that extent, I think the article should be re-listed because the de-listing reasons are not sufficient. However, I whole heartedly agree with RelHistbuff that it is open to de-listing again and I, very well, might do that after a more through review.
Agne 20:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Article has been rewritten and problems from last review fixed. Would like rereview to fix any further problems and get suggestions on how to get the article into GA status and later FA. 123wiki123 06:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
This article was listed as GA on 10 October. I didn't recall that this article was renominated again. However, I see in the talk page that there is a discussion about its renomination, but alas there is no GA review for the 2nd nomination. Seeing the content of this article, esp. at the beginning, it is not GA, IMO. What are other opinions? Keep or delist? — Indon ( reply) — 14:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Given the rather long discussions we have had concerning math and physics articles, I would like to see improvement in the reviews of these articles. I hope I have done so with Hilbert space. Unfortunately, the review of Derivative is not a good review example. In my opinion, just by glancing at the article there are other issues to improve such as a better lead section and introduction section. It may deserve a GA, but in my opinion, we lose credibility with the math and physics authors if we give such "light-hearted" passes. I am interested in other opinions. RelHistBuff 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to get away from focussing on citations. I am mainly concerned with GA credibility. Our job, IMO, is to help improve articles. The Derivative article really needed improvement and unfortunately the GA review did not help in that at all. To make up for this (and to close this issue), I will add some comments on the talk page later today. Salix alba has a good point. We do need better guidelines for GA assessors. However, I don't think the process is broken. It just needs to be improved. RelHistBuff 08:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It looks like someone has gotten into the article, especially the first part, and mucked it up---is it for real, or supposed to be funny or something? Sorry, I don't see how else to report it.
75.80.189.131 16:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The sourcing of a lot of things in this article (other than the news stuff) is based on fan sites. This is acceptable, I guess if nothing else is available, but over the past few years a lot of serious scholarly papers have been written about the cultural and literary impact of Harry Potter. For instance, this is a good compilation of scholarly articles on the Harry Potter phenomenon, and a Google Scholar search turns up many more. Hence, this article fails WP:RS, and thus Good Article criteria 2c. Borisblue 14:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion this article fails WP:WIAGA criteria 3a (it addresses all major aspects of the topic). Alot more could be added about the topic such as how they are detected and possibly a section on how thunder storms affet cities and people. Would anyone else agree? -- Tarret 00:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this article up to our standards? I think it is a borderline case, with few references, a heavy focus on products rather than the company and a comparatively long discussion of the company's criticism of the D20 system. All the recent discussion about quality made me decide to err on the side of caution and list it for review. Cedars 01:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it look ok now? Lincher 20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
This should be reviewed as it clearly has a bias towards those on the side of creationism. It belittles the beliefs of the scientific majority regarding evolution. Much of what is written there has obviously been written by fire and brimstone Christians. 202.164.195.56 03:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC) Mike 1:15PM 15 September
I've delisted the article with a review left on on the article's talk page Agne 03:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
If it was a matter of just one guideline (where a subjective view could be at play), I concede that consenus among GA reviewers should be achieved prior to de-listing. However, out of the 6 GA criteria the article had issues in all 6 include 3 precise issues brought up by 3 different individuals (not counting myself) above-POV by original poster, US centric by Eusebeus and stability by RelHistBuff. I don't think my de-listing was unilateral in the slightest and I give very precise and detailed reasonings in all 6 of the categories. While an individual may disagree with my assessment in one or two, I highly doubt that one could interpret the above as consensus that the article passes all 6 of the criteria to merit being a good article. Agne 04:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to delve into this discussion, but this seems to be a discussion about the article and not about its GA status. If the article is unstable and/or there are doubts about its POV at the moment, it's enough for it not to be considered a GA candidate. Please continue to discuss the article in its talk page and close this review. Bravada, talk - 20:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe it should not be listed, not because it may have slight POV issues, but because it is a current dispute and information will change as circumstances also change. -- Ci e lomobile minor7 ♭5 05:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone agree that this article is too "in-universe" to be a GA. -- Tarret 00:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to agree with Yn here. You will have a very hard time writing an out-of-universe perspective on this subject. You cannot write about the subject of Shinigami as a whole, because that goes in a different article, Shinigami. You can't really write about similarities to portrayals of shinigami in other media either, because that would be a WP:NOR violation. To compound matters further, most of the source material is still only in Japanese. The MOS's out of universe perspective guidelines really don't give any suggestions on what to do, and only vague ones on what NOT to do.
Actually, the Pokemon GA's you just pointed me to are interesting in that they read like a combination of in-universe and game guide/FAQ. -- tjstrf 09:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I've delisted the article. Please see the respective talk page for the complete list. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 09:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just browsing GA page, and found this article. I'd like to ask whether future event/product can be categorized as GA. I think it does not conform with criterion (2). I want others' opinion before taking any action. Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 10:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is delisted. — Indon ( reply) — 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is poorly written: the sysnopsis is far too long, there are way too many lists (most of which should be prosified or removed), and much of the stuff looks very irrelevant - what's the point of mentioning every Lucasfilm mention? External links sections is wayyy too long and there are few in-line citations. Someone ranked this an A-class? You're kidding me. Hbdragon88 07:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I delisted it. If anybody objects, they can bring it here. Hbdragon88 22:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The person who said the GA failed did not note that the generic sentences were there to bring it to GA standards, not to be generic. Such is required for articles under WP:FICT at GA or FA status. All of WP:PCP's good articles have such sentences...if this were to be a GA, it could. I could be bold from there and take out the gameguidecruft and do copyediting as well. Shin'ou's TTV ( Futaba| Masago| Kotobuki) 18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, the page is protected due to an edit war. There is a disagreement about the inclusion of references to Dutch and the mutual intelligibility of both languages. A review of non-partisans might be a good thing. -- LucVerhelst 11:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a good article? It used to start out with a giant image add for Apple?!?! Plus it contained alot of obviously speculative, irrelevant information.
Talk/Discussion page under Major Cleanup Section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Podcasting#Major_Cleanup:__This_really_needs_a_fix —Preceding unsigned comment added by Testerer ( talk • contribs)
First time request for a review of this article for possible listing as a Good Article. - Gemsbok1 11:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)