The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Result: Speedy closed (kept), per what everyone except the nominator has said below, and my closing comment below.-sche (
talk)
21:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It has no Verifiable references. All provided references and references to research papers either directly or indirectly refer back to AVEN with attempt to circumvent criteria of Verifiable references;
It doesn't satisfy criteria of Broad in its coverage. It goes in unnecessary details like describing particular
natural personpersonal website i.e. AVEN;
It doesn't satisfy criteria of being Neutral. Article is strongly
affiliated with AVEN website;
It is not Stable. The evidence is that the
Article has semi-protected status, which means there are ongoing editorial wars.
The whole my point is not to remove the
Article itself, but to:
delist it first, because editors affiliated with AVEN use
GA as an argument to state that AVEN is Verifiable resource trying to circumvent Wikipedia policies and rules. The article couldn't be improved by providing Verifiable references to the claims made, because Verifiable references simply do not exist and claims made in article are not correct.
When there would be no argument that AVEN is Verifiable source it would be possible to proceed to change the claims in
Article to correct ones with references to Verifiable sources like
Oxford University Press, which is the most authoritative and most reliable source for definitions, lexicography and words usage with most recent developments in English language taken into account, which is a concern of the
Article. In fact AVEN itself has no even its own article, which makes it unreliable in the first place and in fact reflects definition of Questionable source.
The
Article will be nominated for
GA again when claims stated in
Article will be changed and referenced to Verifiable sources.
Unfortunately, without these 3 steps process there is no way to fix
Article to satisfy
GA criteria as editors affiliated with AVEN are using
GA status argument to circumvent Wikipedia rules and policies on Verifiable sources.
AceRebel (
talk)
23:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Looking at the article shows this nomination to be patently absurd and conspiratorial in its rambling about AVEN. I also note that this user (or I should say, account) has a grand total of 23 edits. CU would be a good idea. This should be speedily closed. Crossroads-talk-00:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Crossroads, you are making serious allegations without providing any proof. You attempt to discredit me on the basis of my account statistic, doesn't make any sense as you do not address any points I made, but trying to divert conversation from the
good article criteria discussion.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No type of solid rationale provided for this "reassessment." Seems to be retaliatory for Crossroads reverting the editor
here. The editor was
also reverted by
Adam9007. Although AceRebel is being disruptive like a newbie, it's clear that AceRebel is not a newbie. Not sure what AceRebel is trying to achieve except for trying to get the article delisted because of their views on AVEN (and possibly due to other personal feelings). Close this.
Flyer22 Frozen (
talk)
00:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Flyer22 Frozen, please stop engaging in misleading technics and address points I made that article do not satisfy
good article criteria. If you have no argument just attempts to divert the topic of the discussion, then your irrelevant argument makes no sense.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, please stop engaging in misleading technics and address points I made that article do not satisfy
good article criteria. If you have no argument just attempts to divert the topic of the discussion, then your irrelevant argument makes no sense.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, your rephrased statement makes no sense to me. In my Community reassessment request I'm challenging four criteria, specifically: Verifiable, Broad in its coverage, Neutral and Stable. What challenges are you addressing?
AceRebel (
talk)
01:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, please, specify explicitly
criteria you are talking about. I will help you. Are you talking about Neutrality? Am I correct? To be efficient in our discussion we have to focus on specific criteria, rather then trying to delude the conversation talking about something in general. Please, specify the context of your question. I will not be able to address your question until you will specify the criteria you are talking about. Are you talking about Neutrality?
AceRebel (
talk)
01:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I was going by the
Oxford English Dictionary's definition: officially attached or connected to an organization. No Wikipedia article is officially associated with another entity. The fact that this Wikipedia article happens to mention AVEN a lot doesn't make it associated with AVEN.
Adam9007 (
talk)
02:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
You see? It was a good idea to agree on the definition of affiliated, before moving on. Because I was the author of contention and I was choosing words to describe the problem we should stick to my version of definition, because this is what was on my mind at the time of writing. I added link to definition of word affiliated I was using in my initial text to prevent confusion. Does it sounds reasonable?
AceRebel (
talk)
02:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Word associated means
related or connected. Let's take last sentence of the first paragraph: "It may also be categorized
more widely to include a broad spectrum of
asexual sub-identities.[1]" If you open this source and scroll to the "Methods" section, you will see the statement: "To undertake this objective, I recruited participants from asexuality.org, also known as the Asexuality Visibility and Education Network, (AVEN) [...]". Therefore, this "source" is connected (closely associated) to AVEN, i.e. biased. Shell I continue about other sources? Those sources either connected to AVEN, i.e. biased (not Neutral) or not Verifiable.
AceRebel (
talk)
20:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The familiarity of this "new" editor with GAR processes is rather
ducklike, the opening of the request right after their edit regarding AVEN was reverted has led editors above to speculate that the request was retaliatory, and the editor has refused to substantiate their belief that all of the article's hundred-plus sources are a conspiracy linked to AVEN, despite being repeatedly prompted to do so. As suggested by multiple users above, I am speedy closing this. If anyone would like to CU the nominator, as also suggested above, that's up to them (and the CU policies).
-sche (
talk)
21:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Result: Speedy closed (kept), per what everyone except the nominator has said below, and my closing comment below.-sche (
talk)
21:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It has no Verifiable references. All provided references and references to research papers either directly or indirectly refer back to AVEN with attempt to circumvent criteria of Verifiable references;
It doesn't satisfy criteria of Broad in its coverage. It goes in unnecessary details like describing particular
natural personpersonal website i.e. AVEN;
It doesn't satisfy criteria of being Neutral. Article is strongly
affiliated with AVEN website;
It is not Stable. The evidence is that the
Article has semi-protected status, which means there are ongoing editorial wars.
The whole my point is not to remove the
Article itself, but to:
delist it first, because editors affiliated with AVEN use
GA as an argument to state that AVEN is Verifiable resource trying to circumvent Wikipedia policies and rules. The article couldn't be improved by providing Verifiable references to the claims made, because Verifiable references simply do not exist and claims made in article are not correct.
When there would be no argument that AVEN is Verifiable source it would be possible to proceed to change the claims in
Article to correct ones with references to Verifiable sources like
Oxford University Press, which is the most authoritative and most reliable source for definitions, lexicography and words usage with most recent developments in English language taken into account, which is a concern of the
Article. In fact AVEN itself has no even its own article, which makes it unreliable in the first place and in fact reflects definition of Questionable source.
The
Article will be nominated for
GA again when claims stated in
Article will be changed and referenced to Verifiable sources.
Unfortunately, without these 3 steps process there is no way to fix
Article to satisfy
GA criteria as editors affiliated with AVEN are using
GA status argument to circumvent Wikipedia rules and policies on Verifiable sources.
AceRebel (
talk)
23:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Looking at the article shows this nomination to be patently absurd and conspiratorial in its rambling about AVEN. I also note that this user (or I should say, account) has a grand total of 23 edits. CU would be a good idea. This should be speedily closed. Crossroads-talk-00:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Crossroads, you are making serious allegations without providing any proof. You attempt to discredit me on the basis of my account statistic, doesn't make any sense as you do not address any points I made, but trying to divert conversation from the
good article criteria discussion.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No type of solid rationale provided for this "reassessment." Seems to be retaliatory for Crossroads reverting the editor
here. The editor was
also reverted by
Adam9007. Although AceRebel is being disruptive like a newbie, it's clear that AceRebel is not a newbie. Not sure what AceRebel is trying to achieve except for trying to get the article delisted because of their views on AVEN (and possibly due to other personal feelings). Close this.
Flyer22 Frozen (
talk)
00:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Flyer22 Frozen, please stop engaging in misleading technics and address points I made that article do not satisfy
good article criteria. If you have no argument just attempts to divert the topic of the discussion, then your irrelevant argument makes no sense.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, please stop engaging in misleading technics and address points I made that article do not satisfy
good article criteria. If you have no argument just attempts to divert the topic of the discussion, then your irrelevant argument makes no sense.
AceRebel (
talk)
01:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, your rephrased statement makes no sense to me. In my Community reassessment request I'm challenging four criteria, specifically: Verifiable, Broad in its coverage, Neutral and Stable. What challenges are you addressing?
AceRebel (
talk)
01:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
Adam9007, please, specify explicitly
criteria you are talking about. I will help you. Are you talking about Neutrality? Am I correct? To be efficient in our discussion we have to focus on specific criteria, rather then trying to delude the conversation talking about something in general. Please, specify the context of your question. I will not be able to address your question until you will specify the criteria you are talking about. Are you talking about Neutrality?
AceRebel (
talk)
01:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I was going by the
Oxford English Dictionary's definition: officially attached or connected to an organization. No Wikipedia article is officially associated with another entity. The fact that this Wikipedia article happens to mention AVEN a lot doesn't make it associated with AVEN.
Adam9007 (
talk)
02:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
You see? It was a good idea to agree on the definition of affiliated, before moving on. Because I was the author of contention and I was choosing words to describe the problem we should stick to my version of definition, because this is what was on my mind at the time of writing. I added link to definition of word affiliated I was using in my initial text to prevent confusion. Does it sounds reasonable?
AceRebel (
talk)
02:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Word associated means
related or connected. Let's take last sentence of the first paragraph: "It may also be categorized
more widely to include a broad spectrum of
asexual sub-identities.[1]" If you open this source and scroll to the "Methods" section, you will see the statement: "To undertake this objective, I recruited participants from asexuality.org, also known as the Asexuality Visibility and Education Network, (AVEN) [...]". Therefore, this "source" is connected (closely associated) to AVEN, i.e. biased. Shell I continue about other sources? Those sources either connected to AVEN, i.e. biased (not Neutral) or not Verifiable.
AceRebel (
talk)
20:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The familiarity of this "new" editor with GAR processes is rather
ducklike, the opening of the request right after their edit regarding AVEN was reverted has led editors above to speculate that the request was retaliatory, and the editor has refused to substantiate their belief that all of the article's hundred-plus sources are a conspiracy linked to AVEN, despite being repeatedly prompted to do so. As suggested by multiple users above, I am speedy closing this. If anyone would like to CU the nominator, as also suggested above, that's up to them (and the CU policies).
-sche (
talk)
21:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.