From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

June 9

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 11:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Fabrizio Meoni.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Peter39c ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No source and conflicting licensing. —  JJMC89( T· C) 04:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

List of mayors of Ventura, California

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2018 June 17. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:George A. Randall.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Malvern Dimmick.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Floyd P. Shaw.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Paul Charlebois.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Jesse Allen Shaw.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Fernando Tico.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Ysidro Obiols.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:W. S. Chaffee.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Frank J. Dennis.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Marcus S. Johnson.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Charles Wesley Petit.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Albert R. Albinger.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Harriet Kosmo Henson.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. The concern about FOP not applying in this instance is well taken, but so is the question about the threshold of originality. The page Marchjuly cites on Commons references a few images which were kept for this reason and nobody has disagreed, so keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Rampalgrave.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Smerus ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No freedom of panorama in France. Kelly hi! 15:46, 21 May 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Kelly: It appears to me that, unless graves are considered artwork, {{ FoP-USonly}} would apply here. xplicit 03:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To settle whether copyright would apply to such graves.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 07:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Agree with User:Explicit - the only artwork will be the little item in the middle - de minimis will apply. Change to {{ FoP-USonly}} Ronhjones   (Talk) 10:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
    • I don't see why you think that {{ FoP-USonly}} would apply. That tag is specifically for works of architecture, meaning buildings which you can enter. A grave has no door, so I don't see how you could possibly enter a grave. The dead body in the grave can't easily exit the grave either. However, I'm not sure that the grave meets the threshold of originality. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 11:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. An over-enthusiastic attempt to interpret deletion criteria.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The idea that "architecture" is restricted to buildings with a door is rather far-fetched. Lutyens's Cenotaph etc show that a building doesn't need a door to be architecture. See the Wikipedia article on Architecture: "Architecture is both the process and the product of planning, designing, and constructing buildings or any other structures." Tim riley talk 20:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
    • Within copyright law, the term "architectural work" has a specific meaning. The Cenotaph, Whitehall would normally be treated as a sculpture rather than a "work of architecture", I think. The US FOP exception reads:
Note specifically that the work must be embodied in a building for the FOP exception to apply. A grave is normally not embodied in a building. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • I believe Stefan2 is correct when it comes to how a "building" is defined per US Copyright law as explained in c:COM:FOP#United States. It's not so much that the grave needs to have a door per se, but rather whether it would be considered to be "habitable by humans and intended to be both permanent and stationary" which is specifically "designed for human occupancy". I don't think a grave would be treated as "building" in this case since I don't think (and this is going to sound worse than intended) such structures would be considered "habitable by humans" in this context. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:33, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Keep but relicense to PD-because. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:14, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Malcolm X mugshot 1944.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Mozart834428196 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

patently unviable rationale for form being in the public domain—larceny is not a federal crime—so not the work product of a U.S. government employee Neonorange ( talk) 16:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 00:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any info on first publication and whether it included a copyright notice?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 01:10, 1 June 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Probably/tentatively Keep - According to the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts website, "Those records created by Massachusetts government agencies and institutions held by the Massachusetts Archives are not copyrighted and are available for public use." The Massachusetts page of the Harvard Library Copyright resource mentions that quote, but hedges it a bit. Based on this, mugshots are considered a public record as such. It looks like this was part of the Bettmann Archive that Corbis bought. It happens frequently that such archives include things that would otherwise be freely available, including material published long enough ago to be conclusively in public domain, and to slap a copyright notice on them. I don't have much experience with Corbis in particular, but I've seen Getty do that several times. If it's an image in the public domain, there's just no copyright leg to stand on. There are some elements of gray area here, like in the distinction between state/municipality property/records, but I'm not seeing arguments which would give cause for concern. Maybe best to keep on Wikipedia rather than Commons, but it seems viable. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In case anyone objects to Rhododendrites's analysis.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2018 June 17. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:32nd Mircea Voda Regiment(The defense of Negroponte Castle) -during Battle of Marasesti -1917;personal album of Aristide Razu,Commander of the 5th Romanian Infantry Division , with this Regiment 1917.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:32nd Mircea Voda Regiment (The Attack-1917) during Marasesti Battle ,personal album of Aristide Razu.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. Apparently no actual reason for deletion was given. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:HS Brian Simpson Rowing Boat Christening.JPEG ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by John Yeates ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Orphaned image not being used in any constructive way. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. With relicensing which was already done. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:BongStonerRock.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by J9930 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No licensing tags to see whom owns it. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 18:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

June 9

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 11:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Fabrizio Meoni.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Peter39c ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No source and conflicting licensing. —  JJMC89( T· C) 04:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

List of mayors of Ventura, California

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2018 June 17. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:George A. Randall.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Malvern Dimmick.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Floyd P. Shaw.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Paul Charlebois.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Jesse Allen Shaw.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Fernando Tico.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Ysidro Obiols.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:W. S. Chaffee.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Frank J. Dennis.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Marcus S. Johnson.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Charles Wesley Petit.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Albert R. Albinger.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:Harriet Kosmo Henson.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. The concern about FOP not applying in this instance is well taken, but so is the question about the threshold of originality. The page Marchjuly cites on Commons references a few images which were kept for this reason and nobody has disagreed, so keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Rampalgrave.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Smerus ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No freedom of panorama in France. Kelly hi! 15:46, 21 May 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Kelly: It appears to me that, unless graves are considered artwork, {{ FoP-USonly}} would apply here. xplicit 03:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To settle whether copyright would apply to such graves.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 07:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Agree with User:Explicit - the only artwork will be the little item in the middle - de minimis will apply. Change to {{ FoP-USonly}} Ronhjones   (Talk) 10:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
    • I don't see why you think that {{ FoP-USonly}} would apply. That tag is specifically for works of architecture, meaning buildings which you can enter. A grave has no door, so I don't see how you could possibly enter a grave. The dead body in the grave can't easily exit the grave either. However, I'm not sure that the grave meets the threshold of originality. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 11:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. An over-enthusiastic attempt to interpret deletion criteria.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The idea that "architecture" is restricted to buildings with a door is rather far-fetched. Lutyens's Cenotaph etc show that a building doesn't need a door to be architecture. See the Wikipedia article on Architecture: "Architecture is both the process and the product of planning, designing, and constructing buildings or any other structures." Tim riley talk 20:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
    • Within copyright law, the term "architectural work" has a specific meaning. The Cenotaph, Whitehall would normally be treated as a sculpture rather than a "work of architecture", I think. The US FOP exception reads:
Note specifically that the work must be embodied in a building for the FOP exception to apply. A grave is normally not embodied in a building. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
  • I believe Stefan2 is correct when it comes to how a "building" is defined per US Copyright law as explained in c:COM:FOP#United States. It's not so much that the grave needs to have a door per se, but rather whether it would be considered to be "habitable by humans and intended to be both permanent and stationary" which is specifically "designed for human occupancy". I don't think a grave would be treated as "building" in this case since I don't think (and this is going to sound worse than intended) such structures would be considered "habitable by humans" in this context. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:33, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: Keep but relicense to PD-because. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:14, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:Malcolm X mugshot 1944.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Mozart834428196 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

patently unviable rationale for form being in the public domain—larceny is not a federal crime—so not the work product of a U.S. government employee Neonorange ( talk) 16:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 00:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any info on first publication and whether it included a copyright notice?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 01:10, 1 June 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Probably/tentatively Keep - According to the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts website, "Those records created by Massachusetts government agencies and institutions held by the Massachusetts Archives are not copyrighted and are available for public use." The Massachusetts page of the Harvard Library Copyright resource mentions that quote, but hedges it a bit. Based on this, mugshots are considered a public record as such. It looks like this was part of the Bettmann Archive that Corbis bought. It happens frequently that such archives include things that would otherwise be freely available, including material published long enough ago to be conclusively in public domain, and to slap a copyright notice on them. I don't have much experience with Corbis in particular, but I've seen Getty do that several times. If it's an image in the public domain, there's just no copyright leg to stand on. There are some elements of gray area here, like in the distinction between state/municipality property/records, but I'm not seeing arguments which would give cause for concern. Maybe best to keep on Wikipedia rather than Commons, but it seems viable. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In case anyone objects to Rhododendrites's analysis.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2018 June 17. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:32nd Mircea Voda Regiment(The defense of Negroponte Castle) -during Battle of Marasesti -1917;personal album of Aristide Razu,Commander of the 5th Romanian Infantry Division , with this Regiment 1917.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
File:32nd Mircea Voda Regiment (The Attack-1917) during Marasesti Battle ,personal album of Aristide Razu.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. Apparently no actual reason for deletion was given. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:HS Brian Simpson Rowing Boat Christening.JPEG ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by John Yeates ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Orphaned image not being used in any constructive way. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. With relicensing which was already done. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

File:BongStonerRock.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by J9930 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No licensing tags to see whom owns it. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 18:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Videos

Youtube | Vimeo | Bing

Websites

Google | Yahoo | Bing

Encyclopedia

Google | Yahoo | Bing

Facebook