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File:Black Arrow 2007 ed from Penguin Books r.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Drboisclair ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

There are two book covers used in the article The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses, the original from 1888 and this, a cover of the reprint from 2007. The original book cover is in the public domain, is hosted on WikiCommons and is used in the infobox. This reprint book cover is used in the Criticism section of the article, where it is not mentioned. It is above the Annotated edition about the 2007 reprint, but is only two sentences long and this is a larger image than the section, but there is no critical commentary about the cover. There are two fair use rationales for this image, one states that is the "primary means of visual identification of the article topic.", which is incorrect because of the public domain image and the other states "used for purposes of illustration", which is not enough rationale to be used in this article. The reprint cover fails WP:NFCC#3a in that the original book cover already is used in the article for means of identification and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the book and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the book. Aspects ( talk) 02:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep on The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses The annotated edition of "The Black Arrow" is historic as the first annotated edition. Commentary can be added. Please leave it as its removal would delete important information about the topic. Significantly, Wikipedia is mentioned in this historic book. Drboisclair ( talk) 14:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Appropriate modifications have been applied to subjects in question that satisfies the requirements.- Drboisclair ( talk) 14:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Remove from The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses. Copies of the book were apparently published in the 19th century. This means that there are other editions of the book whose cover illustrations have entered the public domain due to copyright expiration. This cover image therefore fails WP:NFCC#1 as it is replaceable by one of those cover illustrations. The file's purpose in The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses#Annotated edition seems to be to illustrate a non-notable side product, and this use seems to be similar to such use which is described in MOS:FILM#Soundtrack: the covers of non-notable side products should only appear in stand-alone articles for the non-notable side products, if anywhere at all. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 15:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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File:Fall of the Roman Empire book cover.jpg

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File:Fall of the Roman Empire book cover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Drboisclair ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The book cover is used in The Fall of the Roman Empire (film) to show the novelization of the film. It is used in the Novelization section that consists of one sentence that states the book exists and there is no critical commentary of the book cover. The fair use rationale states that its purpose is "purposes of illustration", but that is not enough of a rationale for its inclusion in the film article. Many films are made into novels, but in all of my editing of film articles, this is the only book cover I can recall being used in a film article. The screenshot fails WP:NFCC#1 in that the since text "A novel based on the film is The Fall of the Roman Empire by Harry Whittington (Fawcett Publications, Inc. & Frederick Muller Ltd., 1964)." is sufficient to describe that the novelization exists without the book cover being present and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the book cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the topic and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the topic. Aspects ( talk) 02:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Appropriate modifications have been applied to the article.- Drboisclair ( talk) 14:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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dubious own work Calliopejen1 ( talk) 04:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The consensus here concluded that this image is covered by freedom of panorama in the United States, which is acceptable for uploads on the English Wikipedia; it is considered non-free in its home country of Belgium. This image will remain a local upload, and should not be transferred to Commons. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

File:Atomium 320 by 240 CCBY20 flickr Mike Cattell.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by 9carney ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

This image, and the Atomium itself, has a long and chequered history.

It is not in dispute that the Atomium and photographs of it are copyrighted in Belgium, which does not recognise the freedom of panorama — the right to take and publish photographs of buildings and 3D objects in a public place. Historically, a small photo was used under fair use on the article; this second image was uploaded last July by User:9carney and promptly deleted by User:Penwhale with the reason "Violation of FoP". This deletion rationale was undoubtedly incorrect — the image was tagged as fair use — but it would have been correct to delete the image at that time as it had a patently invalid fair use tag, {{ Non-free architectural work}}, which refers to "planned or future" buildings.

The deletion review found that the deletion ought to be overturned as a valid fair use claim.

Problematically, shortly after the DRV properly overturned the deletion, User:Stefan2 uploaded a larger version of the image and User:AHeneen unilaterally claimed that it is free because "US copyright does not give architects copyright in pictures of their works", reverting my attempts to restore the previous fair use tagging and rationale. I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties. Aside from this, there is also a question of whether the Atomium is a "building" (which is in principle covered by US FOP rules) or a "3D sculpture" (which is not).

As the consensus at the DRV was to undelete strictly because the image was fair use and had been deleted as a copyright problem, which are not mutually compatible reasons, I believe we need to resolve the copyright issue once and for all by means of a proper consensus. WP:PUF has been closed and therefore this is the proper venue.

I note that this is "Files for Discussion" – and discussion is what we need here, without necessarily concluding that deletion is the outcome of that discussion — but SABAM, the Belgian copyright royalty collection company, vigorously defends the copyright of images of the Atomium, and Wikimedia is at risk of a DMCA takedown request by maintaining that the image is free. Stifle ( talk) 08:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Notifying other previously involved users Cunard, Sfan00 IMG, Isderion, TLSuda, とある白い猫, WilyD, DESiegel, Lankiveil, Cryptic, Graeme Bartlett, Thincat. Stifle ( talk) 08:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep My understanding is that a US court would use Belgian law to decide who was the copyright holder and then US law to decide whether their copyright had been infringed. Hence they would find the image lawful in the US. However, I believe the matter of foreign FoP for a photograph non-infringing in a US location has not reached the US courts. In the circumstances there is an element of doubt. If SABAM issued a takedown and WMF complied, I would not object. Thincat ( talk) 08:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The DRV overturned the speedy deletion as invalid, but the closure comment does not state whether the image itself is unfree.
According to s:WIPO Copyright Treaty#Article 1. Relation to the Berne Convention, signatories to the WIPO treaty must follow articles 1–21 of the Berne Convention. According to Article 5 (2) of the Berne Convention (which is one of those 21 articles), the protection of foreign works shall be governed exclusively by domestic work. Consequently, when a work is used in the United States, the use of the work shall be determined exclusively by exceptions in United States copyright law, without paying attention to whether these exceptions exist in Belgian law or not.
According to {{ PD-US-architecture}}, buildings completed before 1990 are not protected by copyright in the United States. As a result, this building is not protected by copyright in the United States, having been completed before that year.
Should the building have been copyrighted in the United States, then it would nevertheless have been permitted to distribute pictures of the building in the United States, since Article 120 (a) of the United States copyright law allows such use of architectural works. The lack of a similar exception from copyright in Belgium is not relevant here, per Article 5 (2) of the Berne Convention.
Stifle claims that you can't use the work under Article 120 (a) of the United States copyright law because no similar exception exists in Belgian copyright law. Instead, he claims that the work should be used under Article 107 of the United States copyright law. This makes no sense; if you can't use Belgian works in the United States under Article 120 (a) on the grounds that something equivalent to Article 120 (a) doesn't exist in Belgium, then you can't use Belgian works in the United States under Article 107 either, since Belgian law neither contains something equivalent to Article 120 (a) nor to Article 107. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 08:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep but mark fair use. There will, be no difference in legality for hosting on commons or en.Wikipedia. So if it is ilegal in one spot, it also is on the other. There is enough doubt that we should place a FUR. Also the File:Minimundus117.jpg and its derivatives are not a substitute as they are not the real thing. So any FUR can be substantiated. The FUR part would apply to the use of the "building", so reduced resolution would not be needed, reduced use is already there as it is only a 2D copy of a 3D work. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Commons requires that images be free both in the US and in their source country, while the English Wikipedia only considers whether they're free in the US. This is nonfree in Belgium.
      Other than that point, I have no opinion on whether we should use the full-size image and call it free or the reduced one with a FUR, except that using the plainly-derivative Minimundus117.jpg image would be hypocrisy. — Cryptic 12:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as free in the U.S. and non-free in Belgium. Stefan2 is absolutely right in his argument, and that line of reasoning has already been incorporated in policy, or to be precise, a guideline: Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights. The work (here: the building) checks out as free in the U.S. at second movement of the Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights#Four-point test: the work is public domain in the U.S. despite being non-free in the source country. The same guideline explicitly allows the use of such materials: "While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries." –  Finnusertop ( talkcontribs) 12:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The original post said "I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties." This is not correct:

(c)Effect of Berne Convention.—
No right or interest in a work eligible for protection under this title may be claimed by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto. Any rights in a work eligible for protection under this title that derive from this title...shall not be expanded...by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto.

And this is the Freedom of Panorama exception in U.S. copyright:

The copyright in an architectural work that has been constructed does not include the right to prevent the making, distributing, or public display of pictures, paintings, photographs, or other pictorial representations of the work, if the building in which the work is embodied is located in or ordinarily visible from a public place.

Note that the FoP exception does not say "copyright in an architectural work in the United States", "that has been constructed in the United States", or anything else to suggest that it does not apply to foreign buildings. It is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation that U.S. copyright must be applied to works. However, I am not aware of any policy of the WMF or Wikipedia that requires consideration of the copyright law in the country of origin and Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights clearly states that content protected by copyright in other countries is not considered:

The Wikimedia Foundation that supports Wikipedia is located in California and the servers that host Wikipedia are located in Virginia, so Wikipedia is bound to comply with United States copyright law. However, it is an international project, and many of our users and contributors are outside the United States. ...While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries. For example works of the U.S. federal government are in the public domain in the United States and widely used on Wikipedia, but they may not be in the public domain outside the United States.

— Excerpt from lead of Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights (emphasis added)
U.S. law is the only source of copyright protection in the U.S., per 17 U.S. Code §104(c), and U.S. law says that photos of buildings does not violate copyright, per 17 U.S. Code §120(a). Therefore, we do not have to consider any copyright protection that Belgium gives to the Atomium...at least on Wikipedia. This is in contrast to the policy on Wikimedia Commons:

Commons is an international project, but its servers are located in the U.S., and its content should be maximally reusable. Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published.

When uploading material from a country outside the U.S., the copyright laws of that country and the U.S. normally apply. If material that has been saved from a third-party website is uploaded to Commons, the copyright laws of the U.S., the country of residence of the uploader, and the country of location of the web servers of the website apply. Thus, any licence to use the material should apply in all relevant jurisdictions; if the material is in the public domain, it must normally be in the public domain in all these jurisdictions (plus in the country of origin of the work) for it to be allowable on Commons.

Finally, there is the question of whether the Atomium is a building or sculpture. The definitions for the copyright chapter of U.S. law states:

Except as otherwise provided in this title, as used in this title, the following terms and their variant forms mean the following:
...
An “architectural work” is the design of a building as embodied in any tangible medium of expression, including a building, architectural plans, or drawings. The work includes the overall form as well as the arrangement and composition of spaces and elements in the design, but does not include individual standard features.

"Building" is further defined by U.S. administrative law ( Code of Federal Regulations) as:

The term building means humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions.

—  37 CFR 202.11(b)(2) - Architectural works (italics in original; bold added)
According to its Wikipedia article, "[t]he top sphere" of the Atomium "includes a restaurant which has a panoramic view of Brussels." This means that the Atomium is covered by the FoP exception in U.S. copyright law. See also Copyright in architecture in the United States#Types of architectural works protected by copyright law. Also, I once read a court decision that used the above definitions of "building" and "architectural work" when it analyzed whether the statues in the Korean War Veterans Memorial were copyrighted or not. I couldn't find the court decision after about 30 minutes of searching. It was the original decision in the case Gaylord v. United States, 85 Fed. Cl. 59 (2008). There was no result for a search of "Gaylord" between 2006 and 2009 among opinions posted on the court's website ( http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinion-search), and a link to the court's website from this blog resulted in a "Page not found" ( [1]). The original decision involved both the issue of whether the plaintiff held copyright in the work and whether the use of the work by the U.S. Post Office was fair use; the court found that he did have copyright in the work, but that the use was fair use. See Korean War Veterans Memorial#United States postage stamp court case: "The Postal Service argued that Gaylord was not the sole sculptor (saying he had received advice from federal sources – who recommended that the uniforms appear more in the wind) and also that the sculpture was actually architecture" (emphasis added); the citation link is dead, but this text was added in 2010. On the web, I can only find the decision of the appeal and the appeal only addressed the question of whether a particular use was fair use.
Conclusion of my arguments: There are no copyright problems with the image. On English Wikipedia, only U.S. law is relevant and U.S. copyright protection for the Atomium does not include rights in photos of it. Commons policy is more restrictive, requiring uploads to be free in both the U.S. and country of origin, but that is a decision the Commons community made (each WMF project is free to make their own policies as long as they follow U.S. law and WMF policies) and in this issue, legally, we only need to consider U.S. law. There is no need to change this to a fair use image. AHeneen ( talk) 00:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC) reply

A few hypothetical questions: The article on the Copyright Act of 1909 says it remains effective for copyrighted works created before the 1976 Copyright Act. Is this correct? If the Atomium had been in the US would it be theoretically possible for it to be copyrighted as a sculpture in 1958? Do the retroactive copyright restorations of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 apply the 1909 or the 1976 law in this case? 9carney ( talk) 02:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 14:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unused photo of machinery. Kelly hi! 10:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Just transfer to WC and then add the tag to the WP image to show that the en.wikipedia image can be delete. Remember to add Category:Images by User:Wyrdlight to the new WC image page. Other editors on WC will then sub-categorize further.-- Aspro ( talk) 16:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Unused file, poor resolution. Kelly hi! 11:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000ac0030000a31100000a260000d42600000c280000c133000031560000b2590000225c0000485f0000de9d0000. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000a9e0d00006faa00004ca001007bc10100d5e70100cd05030047d3040022f6040089270500e45f0500864d0800. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: keep first file; delete the rest. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

File:Thai Port football club logo, Feb 2016.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Aquaelfin ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 
File:Pat.svg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lokomotive74 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Thaiport fc.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Larbkai ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Singhatarua-logo.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by P t ka99 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Port FC logo.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Yogwi21 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Thai Port Football Club logo, Bangkok, Feb 2015.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by RKC Vakwai ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Five non-free files and one possibly unfree file being used in a gallery of crests/logos in Port F.C.#Crests.

  • "File:Thai Port football club logo, Feb 2016.jpg" is being used in the infobox and the gallery of logos. File has a non-free use rationale for the infobox so that usage seems fine, but no non-free use rationale for the gallery. I don't believe a valid rationale can be written for the gallery per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8 ( WP:NFG) so suggest keep for the infobox and remove from the gallery.
  • "File:Pat.svg" has a non-free use rationale, but image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Decorative use such as this clearly fails NFCC#8 so suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Thaiport fc.png" has a non-free use rationale, image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Singhatarua-logo.png" has a non-free use rationale for Singhtarua F.C. which redirects to Port F.C.. Once again decorative use in a gallery which is clearly not allowed per NFCC#8. Suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Port FC logo.png" has a non-free use rationale, but image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Suggest remove from gallery per NFCC#8.
  • "File:Thai Port Football Club logo, Bangkok, Feb 2015.jpg" is licensed as "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0", but it seems unlikely that the uploader is the original copyright holder. This link is given as the source of the logo and the page is in Thai, but translating using Google gives no indication that the copyright holder has agreed to freely license this. Logo is not even visible on the site so there's no way to verify the source. It can, however be seen on this archived version of the page, but there is still no indication that the logo has been freely licensed. If the licensing cannot be verified to be free, this normally would be a candidate for conversion to non-free except that the decorative way it's being used does not satisfy NFCC#8. Suggest keep if the free licensing can be verified and delete if it cannot.

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File:Tatjana Ždanoka press photo.jpg

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File:Tatjana Ždanoka press photo.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Moonshiner ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unable to verify source or license. Kelly hi! 12:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 12:35, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - unused band photo from deleted article. Kelly hi! 13:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Tilman administration building 01.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Johnlumsden ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Something smells a bit fishy here. The image (and some others) are claimed to have been uploaded by Anthony J. Lumsden May 16, 1928 – September 22, 2011. Bit old to become computer savvy huh! Think this and the other images are being uploaded by his son John Special:Contributions/Johnlumsden who can't get his head around copyright. Support deletion unless John gets the copyright right . Ti’s easy (he must be employing IT people in he's sort of company and he has a COI issue which he must take note off too). Put up for deletion but not speedy.-- Aspro ( talk) 22:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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File:RaleighRitchie2015.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Anthonymous ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Several bugs:

  1. The uploader of the Wikipedia file claims that the picture is in the public domain because it says so on Flickr at flickrphoto:26212407034. However, the Flickr user has listed the file as "copyright expired worldwide" (that is, {{ PD-old-80-1923}}). This tag obviously doesn't apply as the picture was taken in 2015. See also c:Category:Public Domain Mark 1.0-related deletion requests/deleted.
  2. On Flickr, the picture has been given the description 19862194755_aa52614cd5_o. This means that the file is a flickrwashed copy of flickrphoto:19862194755, which was uploaded by flickruser:78213071@N08, who in turn is listed at c:User:FlickreviewR/bad-authors. Therefore, this seems to be flickrwashing. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:20th Maine Regiment.jpg

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File:20th Maine Regiment.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Taudet ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused logo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unused personal photo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:666HighMass.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by St.HocusPocus ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:501PlusTimHicks.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Eric444 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Fails WP:NFCC#3 and WP:NFCC#8. The article only needs one cover image. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:36th Myanmar Dental Conference.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by NayAung007 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Missing evidence that the uploader is the Facebook user or that he has permission from that user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:300 SRT 6.4L Hemi V8.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by GrammarianOB ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:2016 Superjets ontrailer.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hyperduc ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

From /u/hyperduc 5/10: The original content creator is from a jetski forum and gave me permission via PM to use the images. How do I attach proof? It's possible he initially posted to FB and then to the forum, but he is the original creator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperduc ( talkcontribs) 2016-05-10T21:08:46‎

The original content creator should follow the procedure described at WP:CONSENT. Since the user initially posted the file to Facebook, he needs to include evidence that he is the Facebook account holder. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I feel this is an unreasonable request. I can provide a link to the original build thread and private messages where the creator gave me permission to use the files. Going back to ask him again to provide that additional verification is a burden on him and I would probably just let the image get taken down instead. That would be a real shame. It's not even clear from that WP:CONSENT how this is done -- How does sending an email prove FB account ownership? Especially since you said above it is from an unknown page on FB. -- hyperduc ( talk) 11:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:1999 film Chandrodaya soundtrack album cover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Editor5454 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Mathadana album cover.JPG ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Kannada123 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Also, the FUR refers to the wrong article. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Care of Footpath 2 album cover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Editor5454 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Can an album cover not been uploaded? What Wikipedia policies have I broken? I have cited the source, tagged it 'Non-free use rationale' for an admin to verify. What else is to be done? Editor5454 ( talk) 13:00, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:María la del Barrio shoot.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Philip J Fry ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:John lumsden.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Johnlumsden ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Must have extremely long arms to take this type of self-portrait. Same contributor appears to have copyright troubles with his other uploaded images. A current one is also here Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_May_10#File:Tilman_administration_building_01.jpg Copyright resides with the person who took it unless he has some written agreement to the contrary. Needs deletion unless we get an OTRS Aspro ( talk) 23:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Black Arrow 2007 ed from Penguin Books r.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Drboisclair ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

There are two book covers used in the article The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses, the original from 1888 and this, a cover of the reprint from 2007. The original book cover is in the public domain, is hosted on WikiCommons and is used in the infobox. This reprint book cover is used in the Criticism section of the article, where it is not mentioned. It is above the Annotated edition about the 2007 reprint, but is only two sentences long and this is a larger image than the section, but there is no critical commentary about the cover. There are two fair use rationales for this image, one states that is the "primary means of visual identification of the article topic.", which is incorrect because of the public domain image and the other states "used for purposes of illustration", which is not enough rationale to be used in this article. The reprint cover fails WP:NFCC#3a in that the original book cover already is used in the article for means of identification and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the book and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the book. Aspects ( talk) 02:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep on The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses The annotated edition of "The Black Arrow" is historic as the first annotated edition. Commentary can be added. Please leave it as its removal would delete important information about the topic. Significantly, Wikipedia is mentioned in this historic book. Drboisclair ( talk) 14:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Appropriate modifications have been applied to subjects in question that satisfies the requirements.- Drboisclair ( talk) 14:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Remove from The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses. Copies of the book were apparently published in the 19th century. This means that there are other editions of the book whose cover illustrations have entered the public domain due to copyright expiration. This cover image therefore fails WP:NFCC#1 as it is replaceable by one of those cover illustrations. The file's purpose in The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses#Annotated edition seems to be to illustrate a non-notable side product, and this use seems to be similar to such use which is described in MOS:FILM#Soundtrack: the covers of non-notable side products should only appear in stand-alone articles for the non-notable side products, if anywhere at all. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 15:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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File:Fall of the Roman Empire book cover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Drboisclair ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The book cover is used in The Fall of the Roman Empire (film) to show the novelization of the film. It is used in the Novelization section that consists of one sentence that states the book exists and there is no critical commentary of the book cover. The fair use rationale states that its purpose is "purposes of illustration", but that is not enough of a rationale for its inclusion in the film article. Many films are made into novels, but in all of my editing of film articles, this is the only book cover I can recall being used in a film article. The screenshot fails WP:NFCC#1 in that the since text "A novel based on the film is The Fall of the Roman Empire by Harry Whittington (Fawcett Publications, Inc. & Frederick Muller Ltd., 1964)." is sufficient to describe that the novelization exists without the book cover being present and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the book cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the topic and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the topic. Aspects ( talk) 02:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Appropriate modifications have been applied to the article.- Drboisclair ( talk) 14:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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dubious own work Calliopejen1 ( talk) 04:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The consensus here concluded that this image is covered by freedom of panorama in the United States, which is acceptable for uploads on the English Wikipedia; it is considered non-free in its home country of Belgium. This image will remain a local upload, and should not be transferred to Commons. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

File:Atomium 320 by 240 CCBY20 flickr Mike Cattell.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by 9carney ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

This image, and the Atomium itself, has a long and chequered history.

It is not in dispute that the Atomium and photographs of it are copyrighted in Belgium, which does not recognise the freedom of panorama — the right to take and publish photographs of buildings and 3D objects in a public place. Historically, a small photo was used under fair use on the article; this second image was uploaded last July by User:9carney and promptly deleted by User:Penwhale with the reason "Violation of FoP". This deletion rationale was undoubtedly incorrect — the image was tagged as fair use — but it would have been correct to delete the image at that time as it had a patently invalid fair use tag, {{ Non-free architectural work}}, which refers to "planned or future" buildings.

The deletion review found that the deletion ought to be overturned as a valid fair use claim.

Problematically, shortly after the DRV properly overturned the deletion, User:Stefan2 uploaded a larger version of the image and User:AHeneen unilaterally claimed that it is free because "US copyright does not give architects copyright in pictures of their works", reverting my attempts to restore the previous fair use tagging and rationale. I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties. Aside from this, there is also a question of whether the Atomium is a "building" (which is in principle covered by US FOP rules) or a "3D sculpture" (which is not).

As the consensus at the DRV was to undelete strictly because the image was fair use and had been deleted as a copyright problem, which are not mutually compatible reasons, I believe we need to resolve the copyright issue once and for all by means of a proper consensus. WP:PUF has been closed and therefore this is the proper venue.

I note that this is "Files for Discussion" – and discussion is what we need here, without necessarily concluding that deletion is the outcome of that discussion — but SABAM, the Belgian copyright royalty collection company, vigorously defends the copyright of images of the Atomium, and Wikimedia is at risk of a DMCA takedown request by maintaining that the image is free. Stifle ( talk) 08:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Notifying other previously involved users Cunard, Sfan00 IMG, Isderion, TLSuda, とある白い猫, WilyD, DESiegel, Lankiveil, Cryptic, Graeme Bartlett, Thincat. Stifle ( talk) 08:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep My understanding is that a US court would use Belgian law to decide who was the copyright holder and then US law to decide whether their copyright had been infringed. Hence they would find the image lawful in the US. However, I believe the matter of foreign FoP for a photograph non-infringing in a US location has not reached the US courts. In the circumstances there is an element of doubt. If SABAM issued a takedown and WMF complied, I would not object. Thincat ( talk) 08:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The DRV overturned the speedy deletion as invalid, but the closure comment does not state whether the image itself is unfree.
According to s:WIPO Copyright Treaty#Article 1. Relation to the Berne Convention, signatories to the WIPO treaty must follow articles 1–21 of the Berne Convention. According to Article 5 (2) of the Berne Convention (which is one of those 21 articles), the protection of foreign works shall be governed exclusively by domestic work. Consequently, when a work is used in the United States, the use of the work shall be determined exclusively by exceptions in United States copyright law, without paying attention to whether these exceptions exist in Belgian law or not.
According to {{ PD-US-architecture}}, buildings completed before 1990 are not protected by copyright in the United States. As a result, this building is not protected by copyright in the United States, having been completed before that year.
Should the building have been copyrighted in the United States, then it would nevertheless have been permitted to distribute pictures of the building in the United States, since Article 120 (a) of the United States copyright law allows such use of architectural works. The lack of a similar exception from copyright in Belgium is not relevant here, per Article 5 (2) of the Berne Convention.
Stifle claims that you can't use the work under Article 120 (a) of the United States copyright law because no similar exception exists in Belgian copyright law. Instead, he claims that the work should be used under Article 107 of the United States copyright law. This makes no sense; if you can't use Belgian works in the United States under Article 120 (a) on the grounds that something equivalent to Article 120 (a) doesn't exist in Belgium, then you can't use Belgian works in the United States under Article 107 either, since Belgian law neither contains something equivalent to Article 120 (a) nor to Article 107. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 08:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep but mark fair use. There will, be no difference in legality for hosting on commons or en.Wikipedia. So if it is ilegal in one spot, it also is on the other. There is enough doubt that we should place a FUR. Also the File:Minimundus117.jpg and its derivatives are not a substitute as they are not the real thing. So any FUR can be substantiated. The FUR part would apply to the use of the "building", so reduced resolution would not be needed, reduced use is already there as it is only a 2D copy of a 3D work. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Commons requires that images be free both in the US and in their source country, while the English Wikipedia only considers whether they're free in the US. This is nonfree in Belgium.
      Other than that point, I have no opinion on whether we should use the full-size image and call it free or the reduced one with a FUR, except that using the plainly-derivative Minimundus117.jpg image would be hypocrisy. — Cryptic 12:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as free in the U.S. and non-free in Belgium. Stefan2 is absolutely right in his argument, and that line of reasoning has already been incorporated in policy, or to be precise, a guideline: Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights. The work (here: the building) checks out as free in the U.S. at second movement of the Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights#Four-point test: the work is public domain in the U.S. despite being non-free in the source country. The same guideline explicitly allows the use of such materials: "While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries." –  Finnusertop ( talkcontribs) 12:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The original post said "I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties." This is not correct:

(c)Effect of Berne Convention.—
No right or interest in a work eligible for protection under this title may be claimed by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto. Any rights in a work eligible for protection under this title that derive from this title...shall not be expanded...by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto.

And this is the Freedom of Panorama exception in U.S. copyright:

The copyright in an architectural work that has been constructed does not include the right to prevent the making, distributing, or public display of pictures, paintings, photographs, or other pictorial representations of the work, if the building in which the work is embodied is located in or ordinarily visible from a public place.

Note that the FoP exception does not say "copyright in an architectural work in the United States", "that has been constructed in the United States", or anything else to suggest that it does not apply to foreign buildings. It is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation that U.S. copyright must be applied to works. However, I am not aware of any policy of the WMF or Wikipedia that requires consideration of the copyright law in the country of origin and Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights clearly states that content protected by copyright in other countries is not considered:

The Wikimedia Foundation that supports Wikipedia is located in California and the servers that host Wikipedia are located in Virginia, so Wikipedia is bound to comply with United States copyright law. However, it is an international project, and many of our users and contributors are outside the United States. ...While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries. For example works of the U.S. federal government are in the public domain in the United States and widely used on Wikipedia, but they may not be in the public domain outside the United States.

— Excerpt from lead of Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights (emphasis added)
U.S. law is the only source of copyright protection in the U.S., per 17 U.S. Code §104(c), and U.S. law says that photos of buildings does not violate copyright, per 17 U.S. Code §120(a). Therefore, we do not have to consider any copyright protection that Belgium gives to the Atomium...at least on Wikipedia. This is in contrast to the policy on Wikimedia Commons:

Commons is an international project, but its servers are located in the U.S., and its content should be maximally reusable. Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published.

When uploading material from a country outside the U.S., the copyright laws of that country and the U.S. normally apply. If material that has been saved from a third-party website is uploaded to Commons, the copyright laws of the U.S., the country of residence of the uploader, and the country of location of the web servers of the website apply. Thus, any licence to use the material should apply in all relevant jurisdictions; if the material is in the public domain, it must normally be in the public domain in all these jurisdictions (plus in the country of origin of the work) for it to be allowable on Commons.

Finally, there is the question of whether the Atomium is a building or sculpture. The definitions for the copyright chapter of U.S. law states:

Except as otherwise provided in this title, as used in this title, the following terms and their variant forms mean the following:
...
An “architectural work” is the design of a building as embodied in any tangible medium of expression, including a building, architectural plans, or drawings. The work includes the overall form as well as the arrangement and composition of spaces and elements in the design, but does not include individual standard features.

"Building" is further defined by U.S. administrative law ( Code of Federal Regulations) as:

The term building means humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions.

—  37 CFR 202.11(b)(2) - Architectural works (italics in original; bold added)
According to its Wikipedia article, "[t]he top sphere" of the Atomium "includes a restaurant which has a panoramic view of Brussels." This means that the Atomium is covered by the FoP exception in U.S. copyright law. See also Copyright in architecture in the United States#Types of architectural works protected by copyright law. Also, I once read a court decision that used the above definitions of "building" and "architectural work" when it analyzed whether the statues in the Korean War Veterans Memorial were copyrighted or not. I couldn't find the court decision after about 30 minutes of searching. It was the original decision in the case Gaylord v. United States, 85 Fed. Cl. 59 (2008). There was no result for a search of "Gaylord" between 2006 and 2009 among opinions posted on the court's website ( http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinion-search), and a link to the court's website from this blog resulted in a "Page not found" ( [1]). The original decision involved both the issue of whether the plaintiff held copyright in the work and whether the use of the work by the U.S. Post Office was fair use; the court found that he did have copyright in the work, but that the use was fair use. See Korean War Veterans Memorial#United States postage stamp court case: "The Postal Service argued that Gaylord was not the sole sculptor (saying he had received advice from federal sources – who recommended that the uniforms appear more in the wind) and also that the sculpture was actually architecture" (emphasis added); the citation link is dead, but this text was added in 2010. On the web, I can only find the decision of the appeal and the appeal only addressed the question of whether a particular use was fair use.
Conclusion of my arguments: There are no copyright problems with the image. On English Wikipedia, only U.S. law is relevant and U.S. copyright protection for the Atomium does not include rights in photos of it. Commons policy is more restrictive, requiring uploads to be free in both the U.S. and country of origin, but that is a decision the Commons community made (each WMF project is free to make their own policies as long as they follow U.S. law and WMF policies) and in this issue, legally, we only need to consider U.S. law. There is no need to change this to a fair use image. AHeneen ( talk) 00:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC) reply

A few hypothetical questions: The article on the Copyright Act of 1909 says it remains effective for copyrighted works created before the 1976 Copyright Act. Is this correct? If the Atomium had been in the US would it be theoretically possible for it to be copyrighted as a sculpture in 1958? Do the retroactive copyright restorations of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 apply the 1909 or the 1976 law in this case? 9carney ( talk) 02:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Anti-JMS orgs demand for money.jpg

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File:Real Tonka truck.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 14:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unused photo of machinery. Kelly hi! 10:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Just transfer to WC and then add the tag to the WP image to show that the en.wikipedia image can be delete. Remember to add Category:Images by User:Wyrdlight to the new WC image page. Other editors on WC will then sub-categorize further.-- Aspro ( talk) 16:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Unused file, poor resolution. Kelly hi! 11:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:2015 Old Faithful.jpg

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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000ac0030000a31100000a260000d42600000c280000c133000031560000b2590000225c0000485f0000de9d0000. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:2015 Ontario Mine Rescue Provincial Competition Champions - VALE Sudbury West Mines.jpg

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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000a9e0d00006faa00004ca001007bc10100d5e70100cd05030047d3040022f6040089270500e45f0500864d0800. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: keep first file; delete the rest. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC) reply

File:Thai Port football club logo, Feb 2016.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Aquaelfin ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 
File:Pat.svg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lokomotive74 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Thaiport fc.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Larbkai ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Singhatarua-logo.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by P t ka99 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Port FC logo.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Yogwi21 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Thai Port Football Club logo, Bangkok, Feb 2015.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by RKC Vakwai ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Five non-free files and one possibly unfree file being used in a gallery of crests/logos in Port F.C.#Crests.

  • "File:Thai Port football club logo, Feb 2016.jpg" is being used in the infobox and the gallery of logos. File has a non-free use rationale for the infobox so that usage seems fine, but no non-free use rationale for the gallery. I don't believe a valid rationale can be written for the gallery per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8 ( WP:NFG) so suggest keep for the infobox and remove from the gallery.
  • "File:Pat.svg" has a non-free use rationale, but image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Decorative use such as this clearly fails NFCC#8 so suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Thaiport fc.png" has a non-free use rationale, image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Singhatarua-logo.png" has a non-free use rationale for Singhtarua F.C. which redirects to Port F.C.. Once again decorative use in a gallery which is clearly not allowed per NFCC#8. Suggest remove from gallery.
  • "File:Port FC logo.png" has a non-free use rationale, but image is being used decoratively in a gallery and not the infobox as the rationale claims. Suggest remove from gallery per NFCC#8.
  • "File:Thai Port Football Club logo, Bangkok, Feb 2015.jpg" is licensed as "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0", but it seems unlikely that the uploader is the original copyright holder. This link is given as the source of the logo and the page is in Thai, but translating using Google gives no indication that the copyright holder has agreed to freely license this. Logo is not even visible on the site so there's no way to verify the source. It can, however be seen on this archived version of the page, but there is still no indication that the logo has been freely licensed. If the licensing cannot be verified to be free, this normally would be a candidate for conversion to non-free except that the decorative way it's being used does not satisfy NFCC#8. Suggest keep if the free licensing can be verified and delete if it cannot.

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File:Tatjana Ždanoka press photo.jpg

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Unable to verify source or license. Kelly hi! 12:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:The Shop, Clapham.JPG

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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 12:35, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - unused band photo from deleted article. Kelly hi! 13:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Tilman administration building 01.jpg

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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Something smells a bit fishy here. The image (and some others) are claimed to have been uploaded by Anthony J. Lumsden May 16, 1928 – September 22, 2011. Bit old to become computer savvy huh! Think this and the other images are being uploaded by his son John Special:Contributions/Johnlumsden who can't get his head around copyright. Support deletion unless John gets the copyright right . Ti’s easy (he must be employing IT people in he's sort of company and he has a COI issue which he must take note off too). Put up for deletion but not speedy.-- Aspro ( talk) 22:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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File:RaleighRitchie2015.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Anthonymous ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Several bugs:

  1. The uploader of the Wikipedia file claims that the picture is in the public domain because it says so on Flickr at flickrphoto:26212407034. However, the Flickr user has listed the file as "copyright expired worldwide" (that is, {{ PD-old-80-1923}}). This tag obviously doesn't apply as the picture was taken in 2015. See also c:Category:Public Domain Mark 1.0-related deletion requests/deleted.
  2. On Flickr, the picture has been given the description 19862194755_aa52614cd5_o. This means that the file is a flickrwashed copy of flickrphoto:19862194755, which was uploaded by flickruser:78213071@N08, who in turn is listed at c:User:FlickreviewR/bad-authors. Therefore, this seems to be flickrwashing. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Ariel Francisco Rodriguez.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by ArielIns ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unused logo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Unused personal photo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:666HighMass.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by St.HocusPocus ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFCC#3 and WP:NFCC#8. The article only needs one cover image. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Missing evidence that the uploader is the Facebook user or that he has permission from that user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:300 SRT 6.4L Hemi V8.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by GrammarianOB ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:2016 Superjets ontrailer.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hyperduc ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

From /u/hyperduc 5/10: The original content creator is from a jetski forum and gave me permission via PM to use the images. How do I attach proof? It's possible he initially posted to FB and then to the forum, but he is the original creator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperduc ( talkcontribs) 2016-05-10T21:08:46‎

The original content creator should follow the procedure described at WP:CONSENT. Since the user initially posted the file to Facebook, he needs to include evidence that he is the Facebook account holder. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I feel this is an unreasonable request. I can provide a link to the original build thread and private messages where the creator gave me permission to use the files. Going back to ask him again to provide that additional verification is a burden on him and I would probably just let the image get taken down instead. That would be a real shame. It's not even clear from that WP:CONSENT how this is done -- How does sending an email prove FB account ownership? Especially since you said above it is from an unknown page on FB. -- hyperduc ( talk) 11:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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File:Mathadana album cover.JPG ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Kannada123 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Also, the FUR refers to the wrong article. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Can an album cover not been uploaded? What Wikipedia policies have I broken? I have cited the source, tagged it 'Non-free use rationale' for an admin to verify. What else is to be done? Editor5454 ( talk) 13:00, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Must have extremely long arms to take this type of self-portrait. Same contributor appears to have copyright troubles with his other uploaded images. A current one is also here Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_May_10#File:Tilman_administration_building_01.jpg Copyright resides with the person who took it unless he has some written agreement to the contrary. Needs deletion unless we get an OTRS Aspro ( talk) 23:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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