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There are two book covers used in the article The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses, the original from 1888 and this, a cover of the reprint from 2007. The original book cover is in the public domain, is hosted on WikiCommons and is used in the infobox. This reprint book cover is used in the Criticism section of the article, where it is not mentioned. It is above the Annotated edition about the 2007 reprint, but is only two sentences long and this is a larger image than the section, but there is no critical commentary about the cover. There are two fair use rationales for this image, one states that is the "primary means of visual identification of the article topic.", which is incorrect because of the public domain image and the other states "used for purposes of illustration", which is not enough rationale to be used in this article. The reprint cover fails WP:NFCC#3a in that the original book cover already is used in the article for means of identification and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the book and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the book. Aspects ( talk) 02:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The book cover is used in The Fall of the Roman Empire (film) to show the novelization of the film. It is used in the Novelization section that consists of one sentence that states the book exists and there is no critical commentary of the book cover. The fair use rationale states that its purpose is "purposes of illustration", but that is not enough of a rationale for its inclusion in the film article. Many films are made into novels, but in all of my editing of film articles, this is the only book cover I can recall being used in a film article. The screenshot fails WP:NFCC#1 in that the since text "A novel based on the film is The Fall of the Roman Empire by Harry Whittington (Fawcett Publications, Inc. & Frederick Muller Ltd., 1964)." is sufficient to describe that the novelization exists without the book cover being present and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the book cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the topic and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the topic. Aspects ( talk) 02:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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dubious own work Calliopejen1 ( talk) 04:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: keep. The consensus here concluded that this image is covered by freedom of panorama in the United States, which is acceptable for uploads on the English Wikipedia; it is considered non-free in its home country of Belgium. This image will remain a local upload, and should not be transferred to Commons. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
This image, and the Atomium itself, has a long and chequered history.
It is not in dispute that the Atomium and photographs of it are copyrighted in Belgium, which does not recognise the freedom of panorama — the right to take and publish photographs of buildings and 3D objects in a public place. Historically, a small photo was used under fair use on the article; this second image was uploaded last July by User:9carney and promptly deleted by User:Penwhale with the reason "Violation of FoP". This deletion rationale was undoubtedly incorrect — the image was tagged as fair use — but it would have been correct to delete the image at that time as it had a patently invalid fair use tag, {{ Non-free architectural work}}, which refers to "planned or future" buildings.
The deletion review found that the deletion ought to be overturned as a valid fair use claim.
Problematically, shortly after the DRV properly overturned the deletion, User:Stefan2 uploaded a larger version of the image and User:AHeneen unilaterally claimed that it is free because "US copyright does not give architects copyright in pictures of their works", reverting my attempts to restore the previous fair use tagging and rationale. I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties. Aside from this, there is also a question of whether the Atomium is a "building" (which is in principle covered by US FOP rules) or a "3D sculpture" (which is not).
As the consensus at the DRV was to undelete strictly because the image was fair use and had been deleted as a copyright problem, which are not mutually compatible reasons, I believe we need to resolve the copyright issue once and for all by means of a proper consensus. WP:PUF has been closed and therefore this is the proper venue.
I note that this is "Files for Discussion" – and discussion is what we need here, without necessarily concluding that deletion is the outcome of that discussion — but SABAM, the Belgian copyright royalty collection company, vigorously defends the copyright of images of the Atomium, and Wikimedia is at risk of a DMCA takedown request by maintaining that the image is free. Stifle ( talk) 08:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
{{
PD-US-architecture}}
, buildings completed before 1990 are not protected by copyright in the United States. As a result, this building is not protected by copyright in the United States, having been completed before that year.(c)Effect of Berne Convention.—
No right or interest in a work eligible for protection under this title may be claimed by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto. Any rights in a work eligible for protection under this title that derive from this title...shall not be expanded...by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto.
The copyright in an architectural work that has been constructed does not include the right to prevent the making, distributing, or public display of pictures, paintings, photographs, or other pictorial representations of the work, if the building in which the work is embodied is located in or ordinarily visible from a public place.
The Wikimedia Foundation that supports Wikipedia is located in California and the servers that host Wikipedia are located in Virginia, so Wikipedia is bound to comply with United States copyright law. However, it is an international project, and many of our users and contributors are outside the United States. ...While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries. For example works of the U.S. federal government are in the public domain in the United States and widely used on Wikipedia, but they may not be in the public domain outside the United States.
— Excerpt from lead of Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights (emphasis added)
Commons is an international project, but its servers are located in the U.S., and its content should be maximally reusable. Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published.
When uploading material from a country outside the U.S., the copyright laws of that country and the U.S. normally apply. If material that has been saved from a third-party website is uploaded to Commons, the copyright laws of the U.S., the country of residence of the uploader, and the country of location of the web servers of the website apply. Thus, any licence to use the material should apply in all relevant jurisdictions; if the material is in the public domain, it must normally be in the public domain in all these jurisdictions (plus in the country of origin of the work) for it to be allowable on Commons.— Commons:Licensing#Interaction of US and non-US copyright law (emphasis in original)
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An “architectural work” is the design of a building as embodied in any tangible medium of expression, including a building, architectural plans, or drawings. The work includes the overall form as well as the arrangement and composition of spaces and elements in the design, but does not include individual standard features.
The term building means humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions.
— 37 CFR 202.11(b)(2) - Architectural works (italics in original; bold added)
A few hypothetical questions: The article on the Copyright Act of 1909 says it remains effective for copyrighted works created before the 1976 Copyright Act. Is this correct? If the Atomium had been in the US would it be theoretically possible for it to be copyrighted as a sculpture in 1958? Do the retroactive copyright restorations of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 apply the 1909 or the 1976 law in this case? 9carney ( talk) 02:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Unused photo of machinery. Kelly hi! 10:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused file, poor resolution. Kelly hi! 11:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000ac0030000a31100000a260000d42600000c280000c133000031560000b2590000225c0000485f0000de9d0000
. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user.
Stefan2 (
talk) 11:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000a9e0d00006faa00004ca001007bc10100d5e70100cd05030047d3040022f6040089270500e45f0500864d0800. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: keep first file; delete the rest. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Five non-free files and one possibly unfree file being used in a gallery of crests/logos in Port F.C.#Crests.
-- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unable to verify source or license. Kelly hi! 12:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 12:35, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused band photo from deleted article. Kelly hi! 13:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Several bugs:
{{
PD-old-80-1923}}
). This tag obviously doesn't apply as the picture was taken in 2015. See also
c:Category:Public Domain Mark 1.0-related deletion requests/deleted.19862194755_aa52614cd5_o
. This means that the file is a flickrwashed copy of
flickrphoto:19862194755, which was uploaded by
flickruser:78213071@N08, who in turn is listed at
c:User:FlickreviewR/bad-authors. Therefore, this seems to be flickrwashing.
Stefan2 (
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused logo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused personal photo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NFCC#3 and WP:NFCC#8. The article only needs one cover image. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Missing evidence that the uploader is the Facebook user or that he has permission from that user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
From /u/hyperduc 5/10: The original content creator is from a jetski forum and gave me permission via PM to use the images. How do I attach proof? It's possible he initially posted to FB and then to the forum, but he is the original creator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperduc ( talk • contribs) 2016-05-10T21:08:46
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Also, the FUR refers to the wrong article. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Can an album cover not been uploaded? What Wikipedia policies have I broken? I have cited the source, tagged it 'Non-free use rationale' for an admin to verify. What else is to be done? Editor5454 ( talk) 13:00, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Must have extremely long arms to take this type of self-portrait. Same contributor appears to have copyright troubles with his other uploaded images. A current one is also here Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_May_10#File:Tilman_administration_building_01.jpg Copyright resides with the person who took it unless he has some written agreement to the contrary. Needs deletion unless we get an OTRS Aspro ( talk) 23:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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There are two book covers used in the article The Black Arrow: A Tale of the Two Roses, the original from 1888 and this, a cover of the reprint from 2007. The original book cover is in the public domain, is hosted on WikiCommons and is used in the infobox. This reprint book cover is used in the Criticism section of the article, where it is not mentioned. It is above the Annotated edition about the 2007 reprint, but is only two sentences long and this is a larger image than the section, but there is no critical commentary about the cover. There are two fair use rationales for this image, one states that is the "primary means of visual identification of the article topic.", which is incorrect because of the public domain image and the other states "used for purposes of illustration", which is not enough rationale to be used in this article. The reprint cover fails WP:NFCC#3a in that the original book cover already is used in the article for means of identification and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the book and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the book. Aspects ( talk) 02:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The book cover is used in The Fall of the Roman Empire (film) to show the novelization of the film. It is used in the Novelization section that consists of one sentence that states the book exists and there is no critical commentary of the book cover. The fair use rationale states that its purpose is "purposes of illustration", but that is not enough of a rationale for its inclusion in the film article. Many films are made into novels, but in all of my editing of film articles, this is the only book cover I can recall being used in a film article. The screenshot fails WP:NFCC#1 in that the since text "A novel based on the film is The Fall of the Roman Empire by Harry Whittington (Fawcett Publications, Inc. & Frederick Muller Ltd., 1964)." is sufficient to describe that the novelization exists without the book cover being present and fails WP:NFCC#8 because there is no commentary about the book cover thereby doing nothing to increase the reader's understanding of the topic and its exclusion is not detrimental to the understanding of the topic. Aspects ( talk) 02:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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dubious own work Calliopejen1 ( talk) 04:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: keep. The consensus here concluded that this image is covered by freedom of panorama in the United States, which is acceptable for uploads on the English Wikipedia; it is considered non-free in its home country of Belgium. This image will remain a local upload, and should not be transferred to Commons. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
This image, and the Atomium itself, has a long and chequered history.
It is not in dispute that the Atomium and photographs of it are copyrighted in Belgium, which does not recognise the freedom of panorama — the right to take and publish photographs of buildings and 3D objects in a public place. Historically, a small photo was used under fair use on the article; this second image was uploaded last July by User:9carney and promptly deleted by User:Penwhale with the reason "Violation of FoP". This deletion rationale was undoubtedly incorrect — the image was tagged as fair use — but it would have been correct to delete the image at that time as it had a patently invalid fair use tag, {{ Non-free architectural work}}, which refers to "planned or future" buildings.
The deletion review found that the deletion ought to be overturned as a valid fair use claim.
Problematically, shortly after the DRV properly overturned the deletion, User:Stefan2 uploaded a larger version of the image and User:AHeneen unilaterally claimed that it is free because "US copyright does not give architects copyright in pictures of their works", reverting my attempts to restore the previous fair use tagging and rationale. I disagree with this bare assertion that the US would not recognise the Belgian copyright on this image in line with the WIPO copyright treaty, to which the US and the EU are parties. Aside from this, there is also a question of whether the Atomium is a "building" (which is in principle covered by US FOP rules) or a "3D sculpture" (which is not).
As the consensus at the DRV was to undelete strictly because the image was fair use and had been deleted as a copyright problem, which are not mutually compatible reasons, I believe we need to resolve the copyright issue once and for all by means of a proper consensus. WP:PUF has been closed and therefore this is the proper venue.
I note that this is "Files for Discussion" – and discussion is what we need here, without necessarily concluding that deletion is the outcome of that discussion — but SABAM, the Belgian copyright royalty collection company, vigorously defends the copyright of images of the Atomium, and Wikimedia is at risk of a DMCA takedown request by maintaining that the image is free. Stifle ( talk) 08:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
{{
PD-US-architecture}}
, buildings completed before 1990 are not protected by copyright in the United States. As a result, this building is not protected by copyright in the United States, having been completed before that year.(c)Effect of Berne Convention.—
No right or interest in a work eligible for protection under this title may be claimed by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto. Any rights in a work eligible for protection under this title that derive from this title...shall not be expanded...by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto.
The copyright in an architectural work that has been constructed does not include the right to prevent the making, distributing, or public display of pictures, paintings, photographs, or other pictorial representations of the work, if the building in which the work is embodied is located in or ordinarily visible from a public place.
The Wikimedia Foundation that supports Wikipedia is located in California and the servers that host Wikipedia are located in Virginia, so Wikipedia is bound to comply with United States copyright law. However, it is an international project, and many of our users and contributors are outside the United States. ...While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries. For example works of the U.S. federal government are in the public domain in the United States and widely used on Wikipedia, but they may not be in the public domain outside the United States.
— Excerpt from lead of Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights (emphasis added)
Commons is an international project, but its servers are located in the U.S., and its content should be maximally reusable. Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published.
When uploading material from a country outside the U.S., the copyright laws of that country and the U.S. normally apply. If material that has been saved from a third-party website is uploaded to Commons, the copyright laws of the U.S., the country of residence of the uploader, and the country of location of the web servers of the website apply. Thus, any licence to use the material should apply in all relevant jurisdictions; if the material is in the public domain, it must normally be in the public domain in all these jurisdictions (plus in the country of origin of the work) for it to be allowable on Commons.— Commons:Licensing#Interaction of US and non-US copyright law (emphasis in original)
Except as otherwise provided in this title, as used in this title, the following terms and their variant forms mean the following:
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An “architectural work” is the design of a building as embodied in any tangible medium of expression, including a building, architectural plans, or drawings. The work includes the overall form as well as the arrangement and composition of spaces and elements in the design, but does not include individual standard features.
The term building means humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions.
— 37 CFR 202.11(b)(2) - Architectural works (italics in original; bold added)
A few hypothetical questions: The article on the Copyright Act of 1909 says it remains effective for copyrighted works created before the 1976 Copyright Act. Is this correct? If the Atomium had been in the US would it be theoretically possible for it to be copyrighted as a sculpture in 1958? Do the retroactive copyright restorations of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 apply the 1909 or the 1976 law in this case? 9carney ( talk) 02:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Invalid public domain reason. Stefan2 ( talk) 08:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused photo of machinery. Kelly hi! 10:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused file, poor resolution. Kelly hi! 11:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000ac0030000a31100000a260000d42600000c280000c133000031560000b2590000225c0000485f0000de9d0000
. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user.
Stefan2 (
talk) 11:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The EXIF contains the string FBMD01000a9e0d00006faa00004ca001007bc10100d5e70100cd05030047d3040022f6040089270500e45f0500864d0800. This is something which is inserted by Facebook, meaning that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook. Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 11:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: keep first file; delete the rest. — ξ xplicit 13:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Five non-free files and one possibly unfree file being used in a gallery of crests/logos in Port F.C.#Crests.
-- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unable to verify source or license. Kelly hi! 12:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 12:35, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused band photo from deleted article. Kelly hi! 13:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete - unused file, low resolution. Kelly hi! 13:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Several bugs:
{{
PD-old-80-1923}}
). This tag obviously doesn't apply as the picture was taken in 2015. See also
c:Category:Public Domain Mark 1.0-related deletion requests/deleted.19862194755_aa52614cd5_o
. This means that the file is a flickrwashed copy of
flickrphoto:19862194755, which was uploaded by
flickruser:78213071@N08, who in turn is listed at
c:User:FlickreviewR/bad-authors. Therefore, this seems to be flickrwashing.
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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No explanation as to why the image is thought to be in the public domain. Stefan2 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused logo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Unused personal photo. Cloudbound ( talk) 16:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NFCC#3 and WP:NFCC#8. The article only needs one cover image. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Missing evidence that the uploader is the Facebook user or that he has permission from that user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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The "special instructions" field in the EXIF consists of the letters FBMD followed by a long hexadecimal number. This means that the file comes from some unknown page on Facebook, see c:COM:VPC#Facebook images (exif/metadata). Evidence of permission is needed from the Facebook user. Stefan2 ( talk) 18:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
From /u/hyperduc 5/10: The original content creator is from a jetski forum and gave me permission via PM to use the images. How do I attach proof? It's possible he initially posted to FB and then to the forum, but he is the original creator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperduc ( talk • contribs) 2016-05-10T21:08:46
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Also, the FUR refers to the wrong article. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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See WP:NFCC#8 and MOS:FILM#Soundtrack. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Can an album cover not been uploaded? What Wikipedia policies have I broken? I have cited the source, tagged it 'Non-free use rationale' for an admin to verify. What else is to be done? Editor5454 ( talk) 13:00, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Not strictly necessary for the understanding of the article. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Must have extremely long arms to take this type of self-portrait. Same contributor appears to have copyright troubles with his other uploaded images. A current one is also here Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_May_10#File:Tilman_administration_building_01.jpg Copyright resides with the person who took it unless he has some written agreement to the contrary. Needs deletion unless we get an OTRS Aspro ( talk) 23:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)