- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it.
The result was to delete the image.
Again, this image meets the criteria listed in the Promotional tag and in Wikipedia's Fair Use policy. Robert Post is little known, most of the images are from his site or commercial news sources, I haven't been able to find a free alternative. The image is clearly attributed to the press/promotional section on his site, and is only used in the article about him. This is no different than using a cover of an album in an article about the album.
Also, I'm not a copyright newb. I looked high and low for free images before I considered using any from a press site. People need to do a search on their own before tagging images as "replaceable."
-- Foofy 01:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Cover of an album is different, as there is no way at all to illustrate the article without using the cover itself. Covers, posters, film screenshots, and those kinds of images have a very strong fair use claim. This simply looks like an ordinary photograph of Post. He's still alive, he looks like he's moving up, and thus it is possible (if not right now) for someone to take and freely license a photograph of him.
- No, you aren't a copyright newb. I approve of appropriate sourcing and licensing information - much better than a good deal of all uploaded images. But none of that can save an image if it could be replaced with a free one. Hbdragon88 01:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Understandable, but I still can't find a suitable free version, so I think we should be able to keep this. It doesn't matter too much either way, I guess. Mostly I was frustrated that these pictures are being tagged wholesale without checking to see if any free versions are around yet. -- Foofy 06:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Our fair use policy forbids using a non-free image if a free image could be created that could be used in its place. See criterion #1 and counter-example #8. In this case, it would be possible to create a free image; therefore this non-free image may not be used. Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant. – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 16:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is a tough call. On the one hand, since he's a public performer, so a picture of him may be important to the article. And, he's Norwegian, and who is going to go up to Norway and get a pic of him? On the other hand, in his case, a candid snap would probably suffice (he's a singer/songwriter, not a glamor act). Which ought to be obtainable, by a fan after a concert or whatever. On the third hand, it might be difficult to get a picture of him with a gorilla face on the top of his head, if this is important to his stage persona or something. Overall, I think this pic is replaceable. Herostratus 01:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it.
The result was to delete the image.
Again, this image meets the criteria listed in the Promotional tag and in Wikipedia's Fair Use policy. Robert Post is little known, most of the images are from his site or commercial news sources, I haven't been able to find a free alternative. The image is clearly attributed to the press/promotional section on his site, and is only used in the article about him. This is no different than using a cover of an album in an article about the album.
Also, I'm not a copyright newb. I looked high and low for free images before I considered using any from a press site. People need to do a search on their own before tagging images as "replaceable."
-- Foofy 01:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Cover of an album is different, as there is no way at all to illustrate the article without using the cover itself. Covers, posters, film screenshots, and those kinds of images have a very strong fair use claim. This simply looks like an ordinary photograph of Post. He's still alive, he looks like he's moving up, and thus it is possible (if not right now) for someone to take and freely license a photograph of him.
- No, you aren't a copyright newb. I approve of appropriate sourcing and licensing information - much better than a good deal of all uploaded images. But none of that can save an image if it could be replaced with a free one. Hbdragon88 01:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Understandable, but I still can't find a suitable free version, so I think we should be able to keep this. It doesn't matter too much either way, I guess. Mostly I was frustrated that these pictures are being tagged wholesale without checking to see if any free versions are around yet. -- Foofy 06:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Our fair use policy forbids using a non-free image if a free image could be created that could be used in its place. See criterion #1 and counter-example #8. In this case, it would be possible to create a free image; therefore this non-free image may not be used. Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant. – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 16:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is a tough call. On the one hand, since he's a public performer, so a picture of him may be important to the article. And, he's Norwegian, and who is going to go up to Norway and get a pic of him? On the other hand, in his case, a candid snap would probably suffice (he's a singer/songwriter, not a glamor act). Which ought to be obtainable, by a fan after a concert or whatever. On the third hand, it might be difficult to get a picture of him with a gorilla face on the top of his head, if this is important to his stage persona or something. Overall, I think this pic is replaceable. Herostratus 01:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)