October 10
File:Jade-new.jpg
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- File:Jade-new.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JigsyQ ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Now-orphaned file. The image depicts a fictional character called Minister Jade that is attributed to author Steve Bialik. The uploader claims to have created the work, which I'm not sure is as credible as I like. I would feel more comfortable with OTRS confirmation of permission before moving to the Commons. Mz7 ( talk) 02:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Chief Justice of Bangladesh.jpg
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- File:Chief Justice of Bangladesh.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Uncletomwood ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Per Eeekster's rationale at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 October 9#File:GNLU Auditorium.jpg, the watermark implies that the image may not be self-work. It also reduces the encyclopedic quality of the image. Nick— Contact/ Contribs 02:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- I clicked the picture and I can upload the same without a watermark if need be Uncletomwood ( talk) 08:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Groningen Grote Markt 1930.jpg
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- File:Groningen Grote Markt 1930.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Harmsma ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
We do not know if this photo was ever actually published but even if it was published in 1930, then URAA would kick in because it was still in copyright in 1996. The normal term of 70 years pma would be 2000 in the Netherland, so the copyright tag is incorrect and unfortunately the source page does not provide any copyright status information.
ww2censor (
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Thank you for your message. Wrt the copyright I think you are right, the image was not public domain (PD) in 1996, and therefore not PD in US now. It might be PD in the Netherlands now, but since the author is unknown we cannot know when (life + 70) is. I agree that unfortunately the file should be deleted. I'll be more careful next time, thanks.
Harmsma (
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File:Bhupendra-Singh.jpeg
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- File:Bhupendra-Singh.jpeg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bhupendra Singh chauhan ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused , user profile photo? Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 12:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Rounaq Malhotra Rockstar.JPG
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- File:Rounaq Malhotra Rockstar.JPG ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Rounaq Malhotra ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused, User profile photo? Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 12:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Just Chauncey Freak.jpg
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- File:Just Chauncey Freak.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by User:Chauncey_freak ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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File:Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Wildside.jpg
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- File:Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Wildside.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Holiday56 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Wildside (Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch song) is an American song. Now that the US cover art is included, shall we keep the European cover art as the 2nd image, which has been used for several years? George Ho ( talk) 14:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete since there is no consensus on keeping both images and no desire for the community to discuss alt/regional covers. As it stands it seems in violation with our fair use policy. Darwinian Ape talk 17:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Since taking part in the RfC at the subject page, I did some looking through archives and learned that, a few years back, there were some hellacious battles over whether song- and album-related articles should have any cover images at all. That dispute seemed to have resolved itself, but I do understand why folks who thought that 'one' was too many images might now argue that 'two' is too many, as well. And I believe that I see their logic -- the fair-use rules do say that the use of non-free content should be minimized. But our fair-use guidelines allow the use of non-free images if that use will serve to help identify the subject of the article (see the discussion of "contextual significance" in the non-free content guidelines). And this raises the immediate question -- who are we helping to identify the subject? In the instant case, the American cover of the work does not help a European identify the work, as that person is far more likely to recognize the European cover than the American one. By having both images in the infobox, we facilitate identification by readers in both of the major markets where this work was released.
In my posting at the earlier RfC, I noted my concern about a slippery slope. I still have that concern and, indeed, I see two slopes. The first is the inevitable need to make judgments as to when two regional covers are sufficiently different so as to justify using the second image. The other slope comes from the (rare) possibility that there might be more than two substantially-different covers whose use could be justified as 'identification'. I think here that considerations of style (i.e., overall appearance of the article) might serve to limit us to two covers, but perhaps others might not agree.
Happily, neither of these two concerns comes to play in the instant case. The American and European covers are quite different, and no one is suggesting that we use a third one. And so, I see no problems, either under the fair-use guidelines or under stylistic considerations, that would prevent us from using both images. My position is "keep" both images in the article. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 06:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- NewYorkActuary, MOS:MUSIC#Images and notation discourage using extra images for mere display. As long as we have the US cassette image (although I would have used the US vinyl one), I don't see removing the EU image affect the quality of the article. Any user would just surf through another website for other images, especially with rules of Wikipedia. George Ho ( talk) 20:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Him-eesh.png
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- File:Him-eesh.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Gunjantaneja ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused, no description, Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 14:59, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Humbert2.jpg
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- File:Humbert2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thquinn ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Low quality. Not used. Possibly a photo of a toy boat (see c:COM:TOYS). Stefan2 ( talk) 17:36, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:CEGWorldwide.png
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- File:CEGWorldwide.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by EBY3221 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused, probably out of scope. Wikipedia doesn't have any article titled CEG Worldwide. Stefan2 ( talk) 17:54, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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Album covers
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξ xplicit 01:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- File:Bitches n Hoegaarden.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Teutonic G Lookin Back.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:A Big Pile of Sheissenmusik.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Electrik Bügaloo by scheissenmusik.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rosengildenfahrvergnugen/Sandbox. If the album covers are fake, then they are out of scope for Wikipedia. If they are not fake, then all of them (except for File:A Big Pile of Sheissenmusik.jpg) are unfree. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Capt. John Treasure Jones.jpg
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- File:Capt. John Treasure Jones.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
In the source field, it says "Original publication: unknown - possibly a press agency". If it comes from a press agency, then the picture fails WP:NFC#UUI §7. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:17, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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John Treasure Jones
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The result of the discussion was: delete first image, keep the second. — ξ xplicit 01:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- File:Probationary Midshipman RNR 1923.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Commander RNR RD 1943.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
Violation of WP:NFCC#3a: we don't need three different pictures in the same article. See the section immediately above for the third one. At most one of them can be kept. These two are missing evidence that WP:NFCC#4 is satisfied, and WP:NFCC#9 is additionally violated. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Stefan.
I have read your 'chapter & verse' statements on the discussion page. Basically you are stating that ″we don't need three different pictures in the same article″ and that ″At most one of them can be kept″. I suppose that if, regrettably, only one can be retained, then I would think that this should be File:Commander RNR RD 1943.
You state that there is missing evidence that
WP:NFCC#4 is satisfied.
Previous publication. Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia by (or with permission from) the copyright holder, or a derivative of such a work created by a Wikipedia editor.
Both of these images have been published in his autobiography “Tramp to Queen” - see Further Reading - for which I hold the copyright.
I do not understand how
WP:NFCC#9 is additionally violated.
Richard Tennant (
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File:Ears of corn and sickle election symbol of CPI.jpg
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- File:Ears of corn and sickle election symbol of CPI.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Justpp ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Fails WP:NFCC#8: not critically discussed in any of the articles containing the image. Fails WP:NFCC#10c in some articles and WP:NFCC#9 on one page. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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October 10
File:Jade-new.jpg
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- File:Jade-new.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JigsyQ ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Now-orphaned file. The image depicts a fictional character called Minister Jade that is attributed to author Steve Bialik. The uploader claims to have created the work, which I'm not sure is as credible as I like. I would feel more comfortable with OTRS confirmation of permission before moving to the Commons. Mz7 ( talk) 02:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Chief Justice of Bangladesh.jpg
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- File:Chief Justice of Bangladesh.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Uncletomwood ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Per Eeekster's rationale at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 October 9#File:GNLU Auditorium.jpg, the watermark implies that the image may not be self-work. It also reduces the encyclopedic quality of the image. Nick— Contact/ Contribs 02:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- I clicked the picture and I can upload the same without a watermark if need be Uncletomwood ( talk) 08:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Groningen Grote Markt 1930.jpg
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- File:Groningen Grote Markt 1930.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Harmsma ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
We do not know if this photo was ever actually published but even if it was published in 1930, then URAA would kick in because it was still in copyright in 1996. The normal term of 70 years pma would be 2000 in the Netherland, so the copyright tag is incorrect and unfortunately the source page does not provide any copyright status information.
ww2censor (
talk) 09:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. Wrt the copyright I think you are right, the image was not public domain (PD) in 1996, and therefore not PD in US now. It might be PD in the Netherlands now, but since the author is unknown we cannot know when (life + 70) is. I agree that unfortunately the file should be deleted. I'll be more careful next time, thanks.
Harmsma (
talk) 13:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Bhupendra-Singh.jpeg
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- File:Bhupendra-Singh.jpeg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bhupendra Singh chauhan ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused , user profile photo? Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 12:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Wildside.jpg
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- File:Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Wildside.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Holiday56 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Wildside (Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch song) is an American song. Now that the US cover art is included, shall we keep the European cover art as the 2nd image, which has been used for several years? George Ho ( talk) 14:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete since there is no consensus on keeping both images and no desire for the community to discuss alt/regional covers. As it stands it seems in violation with our fair use policy. Darwinian Ape talk 17:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Since taking part in the RfC at the subject page, I did some looking through archives and learned that, a few years back, there were some hellacious battles over whether song- and album-related articles should have any cover images at all. That dispute seemed to have resolved itself, but I do understand why folks who thought that 'one' was too many images might now argue that 'two' is too many, as well. And I believe that I see their logic -- the fair-use rules do say that the use of non-free content should be minimized. But our fair-use guidelines allow the use of non-free images if that use will serve to help identify the subject of the article (see the discussion of "contextual significance" in the non-free content guidelines). And this raises the immediate question -- who are we helping to identify the subject? In the instant case, the American cover of the work does not help a European identify the work, as that person is far more likely to recognize the European cover than the American one. By having both images in the infobox, we facilitate identification by readers in both of the major markets where this work was released.
In my posting at the earlier RfC, I noted my concern about a slippery slope. I still have that concern and, indeed, I see two slopes. The first is the inevitable need to make judgments as to when two regional covers are sufficiently different so as to justify using the second image. The other slope comes from the (rare) possibility that there might be more than two substantially-different covers whose use could be justified as 'identification'. I think here that considerations of style (i.e., overall appearance of the article) might serve to limit us to two covers, but perhaps others might not agree.
Happily, neither of these two concerns comes to play in the instant case. The American and European covers are quite different, and no one is suggesting that we use a third one. And so, I see no problems, either under the fair-use guidelines or under stylistic considerations, that would prevent us from using both images. My position is "keep" both images in the article. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 06:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- NewYorkActuary, MOS:MUSIC#Images and notation discourage using extra images for mere display. As long as we have the US cassette image (although I would have used the US vinyl one), I don't see removing the EU image affect the quality of the article. Any user would just surf through another website for other images, especially with rules of Wikipedia. George Ho ( talk) 20:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Humbert2.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- File:Humbert2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thquinn ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Low quality. Not used. Possibly a photo of a toy boat (see c:COM:TOYS). Stefan2 ( talk) 17:36, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:CEGWorldwide.png
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- File:CEGWorldwide.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by EBY3221 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused, probably out of scope. Wikipedia doesn't have any article titled CEG Worldwide. Stefan2 ( talk) 17:54, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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Album covers
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξ xplicit 01:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- File:Bitches n Hoegaarden.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Teutonic G Lookin Back.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:A Big Pile of Sheissenmusik.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Electrik Bügaloo by scheissenmusik.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jeremysale ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rosengildenfahrvergnugen/Sandbox. If the album covers are fake, then they are out of scope for Wikipedia. If they are not fake, then all of them (except for File:A Big Pile of Sheissenmusik.jpg) are unfree. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 19:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Capt. John Treasure Jones.jpg
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- File:Capt. John Treasure Jones.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
In the source field, it says "Original publication: unknown - possibly a press agency". If it comes from a press agency, then the picture fails WP:NFC#UUI §7. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:17, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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John Treasure Jones
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The result of the discussion was: delete first image, keep the second. — ξ xplicit 01:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- File:Probationary Midshipman RNR 1923.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
- File:Commander RNR RD 1943.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Richard Tennant ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log)
Violation of WP:NFCC#3a: we don't need three different pictures in the same article. See the section immediately above for the third one. At most one of them can be kept. These two are missing evidence that WP:NFCC#4 is satisfied, and WP:NFCC#9 is additionally violated. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 20:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Stefan.
I have read your 'chapter & verse' statements on the discussion page. Basically you are stating that ″we don't need three different pictures in the same article″ and that ″At most one of them can be kept″. I suppose that if, regrettably, only one can be retained, then I would think that this should be File:Commander RNR RD 1943.
You state that there is missing evidence that
WP:NFCC#4 is satisfied.
Previous publication. Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia by (or with permission from) the copyright holder, or a derivative of such a work created by a Wikipedia editor.
Both of these images have been published in his autobiography “Tramp to Queen” - see Further Reading - for which I hold the copyright.
I do not understand how
WP:NFCC#9 is additionally violated.
Richard Tennant (
talk) 17:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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File:Ears of corn and sickle election symbol of CPI.jpg
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Fails WP:NFCC#8: not critically discussed in any of the articles containing the image. Fails WP:NFCC#10c in some articles and WP:NFCC#9 on one page. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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