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Photo tagged as Multilicense, but I doubt this is a work of the uploader. That seems to be a private photograph of the couple in 1946.
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Can the public domain tag be removed, and replaced with a fair use tag? Doesn't need to be deleted, as other images of Safari safely exist elsewhere on Wikipedia.
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WP:OTRS permission asserted, but no update from OTRS volunteers after 6 months. Has an email actually been received? If not, there is no fair use rationale, and the image should be deleted.
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Appears to be an album cover from a non-notable album. I suspect this is either a copyright violation or spam. The image is not currently in use.
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Delete - the image is purely decorative. To meet the
WP:NFCC#8 requirements it's inclusion needs to significantly assist reader's understanding of the topic, which this one does not. There are already two other non-free images of the character in the article and per
WP:NFCC#3 we need a good justification for another one...which I can't see is possible for this image -
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The result of the debate was: Delete. If the image is not freely licensed, permission to use on Wikipedia is irrelevant. The image has to comply with all
non-free use criteria, and
WP:NFCC#8 is not met for any of the uses of this image. —
Angr07:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I uploaded the picture for use with Deep Blue's article specifically. I'm glad it's propagated to other articles, but I think Damiens is right: it's unnecessary in most situations. However, I strongly disagree with its practicality in Deep Blue's article. This is a picture of Deep Blue's finest moment, and one that IBM's PR department specifically wants to portray Deep Blue to the world. This picture should definitely stay, even if only for a couple articles.
Spamguy (
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01:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Do not delete this image unilaterally. Clearly there is no consensus to delete this image. Editors have taken the trouble to get explicit permission from IBM to use this image. (Please read
Image:P11 kasparov breakout.jpg.) Please tell me immediately how to avoid any automated deletion of this image. (Apology accepted ;) ) ----
CharlesGillingham (
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23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep copyright permission and use specifically given on image page. OTRS process meeds to be flexible to incorporate instances where explicit copyright permission by copyright owners has been given on the image page through the time & effort of Wikipedia editors chasing up such permission.--
Takver (
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14:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the permissions database be checked before tagging images for deletion? Below is confirmation received from permissions@wikimedia.org
pgr94 (
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12:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Re: [Ticket#2008031110021007] Deep Blue photo
From: Permissions (permissions@wikimedia.org)
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 6:39:18 a.m.
To: Parker Jones (*****@*****.com)
Dear Parker Jones,
Thank you for your mail.
Parker Jones *****@*****.com> wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P11_kasparov_breakout.jpg
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I've requested verification from an OTRS user whether that ticket permits use under a free license. I am minded to delete the image if it does not.
Stifle (
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10:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
The image is not released under a free license and needs a Fair Use rationale. IBM Media Relations do allow us to use the picture, I have added the relevant Template. My personal opinion would be to only use it on the Deep Blue article, the other uses do not fit our NFC guidelines. --
lucasbfrtalk12:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
From what's is said on the image description page, IBM gave a "permission to use this image on the Artificial intelligence article". I don't see how IBM's permission could overrule
WP:NFCC#8, that was the real original concern on this IFD. --
Damiens.rf12:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't have a hard stance on NFC (one way or an other), my opinion is that the picture is significant enough, historically, to warrant its inclusion on that article. We do host non-free pictures of actors posing as their characters :p --
lucasbfrtalk15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete, fails NFCC8 in all cases. Takver and CharlesGillingham's keep !votes are predicated on the image being available under a free license, and since the image is not so available, they no longer hold.
Stifle (
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12:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep (but timidly, because I'm aware that IfD issues are quite subtle). I get 267000 ghits for "'deep blue' ibm". Skim through the first 4 of 5 pages of ghits, and you'll discover that this one event is the topic of virtually every hit, and that a majority of the hits are (surprisingly) from sources that RSN would consider to be reliable sources, at least for this narrow purpose. My understanding is that no non-copyrighted images of this event exist. If that's true, I don't see how we can delete the only image we have of an event that is mentioned so prominently in reliable sources. - Dan
Dank55 (
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First, the world is larger than Google search results. Second (and far more important) we need to address NFCC8. That is to say, we need to answer the question: "How is this image necessary for the reader's understanding of the topic?" --
Damiens.rf17:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
My comment addressed NFCC 5; the picture is encyclopedic. My personal experience has been that people don't understand what it even means for a man to play a computer in chess until they see a picture, which is why I'm supporting, but someone else will have to argue NFCC 8. - Dan
Dank55 (
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17:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
If we really need, we can produce some free images that would explain what it means for man to play a computer in chess to these text-challenged people. --
Damiens.rf18:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
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Photo tagged as Multilicense, but I doubt this is a work of the uploader. That seems to be a private photograph of the couple in 1946.
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Can the public domain tag be removed, and replaced with a fair use tag? Doesn't need to be deleted, as other images of Safari safely exist elsewhere on Wikipedia.
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WP:OTRS permission asserted, but no update from OTRS volunteers after 6 months. Has an email actually been received? If not, there is no fair use rationale, and the image should be deleted.
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Appears to be an album cover from a non-notable album. I suspect this is either a copyright violation or spam. The image is not currently in use.
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Delete - the image is purely decorative. To meet the
WP:NFCC#8 requirements it's inclusion needs to significantly assist reader's understanding of the topic, which this one does not. There are already two other non-free images of the character in the article and per
WP:NFCC#3 we need a good justification for another one...which I can't see is possible for this image -
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The result of the debate was: Delete. If the image is not freely licensed, permission to use on Wikipedia is irrelevant. The image has to comply with all
non-free use criteria, and
WP:NFCC#8 is not met for any of the uses of this image. —
Angr07:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I uploaded the picture for use with Deep Blue's article specifically. I'm glad it's propagated to other articles, but I think Damiens is right: it's unnecessary in most situations. However, I strongly disagree with its practicality in Deep Blue's article. This is a picture of Deep Blue's finest moment, and one that IBM's PR department specifically wants to portray Deep Blue to the world. This picture should definitely stay, even if only for a couple articles.
Spamguy (
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01:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Do not delete this image unilaterally. Clearly there is no consensus to delete this image. Editors have taken the trouble to get explicit permission from IBM to use this image. (Please read
Image:P11 kasparov breakout.jpg.) Please tell me immediately how to avoid any automated deletion of this image. (Apology accepted ;) ) ----
CharlesGillingham (
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23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep copyright permission and use specifically given on image page. OTRS process meeds to be flexible to incorporate instances where explicit copyright permission by copyright owners has been given on the image page through the time & effort of Wikipedia editors chasing up such permission.--
Takver (
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14:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the permissions database be checked before tagging images for deletion? Below is confirmation received from permissions@wikimedia.org
pgr94 (
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12:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Re: [Ticket#2008031110021007] Deep Blue photo
From: Permissions (permissions@wikimedia.org)
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 6:39:18 a.m.
To: Parker Jones (*****@*****.com)
Dear Parker Jones,
Thank you for your mail.
Parker Jones *****@*****.com> wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P11_kasparov_breakout.jpg
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I've requested verification from an OTRS user whether that ticket permits use under a free license. I am minded to delete the image if it does not.
Stifle (
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10:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
The image is not released under a free license and needs a Fair Use rationale. IBM Media Relations do allow us to use the picture, I have added the relevant Template. My personal opinion would be to only use it on the Deep Blue article, the other uses do not fit our NFC guidelines. --
lucasbfrtalk12:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
From what's is said on the image description page, IBM gave a "permission to use this image on the Artificial intelligence article". I don't see how IBM's permission could overrule
WP:NFCC#8, that was the real original concern on this IFD. --
Damiens.rf12:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't have a hard stance on NFC (one way or an other), my opinion is that the picture is significant enough, historically, to warrant its inclusion on that article. We do host non-free pictures of actors posing as their characters :p --
lucasbfrtalk15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete, fails NFCC8 in all cases. Takver and CharlesGillingham's keep !votes are predicated on the image being available under a free license, and since the image is not so available, they no longer hold.
Stifle (
talk)
12:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep (but timidly, because I'm aware that IfD issues are quite subtle). I get 267000 ghits for "'deep blue' ibm". Skim through the first 4 of 5 pages of ghits, and you'll discover that this one event is the topic of virtually every hit, and that a majority of the hits are (surprisingly) from sources that RSN would consider to be reliable sources, at least for this narrow purpose. My understanding is that no non-copyrighted images of this event exist. If that's true, I don't see how we can delete the only image we have of an event that is mentioned so prominently in reliable sources. - Dan
Dank55 (
send/receive)
16:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
First, the world is larger than Google search results. Second (and far more important) we need to address NFCC8. That is to say, we need to answer the question: "How is this image necessary for the reader's understanding of the topic?" --
Damiens.rf17:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
My comment addressed NFCC 5; the picture is encyclopedic. My personal experience has been that people don't understand what it even means for a man to play a computer in chess until they see a picture, which is why I'm supporting, but someone else will have to argue NFCC 8. - Dan
Dank55 (
send/receive)
17:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
If we really need, we can produce some free images that would explain what it means for man to play a computer in chess to these text-challenged people. --
Damiens.rf18:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
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