WIKIPEDIA:FILES FOR DELETION 2008 JANUARY 5

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Image:Ninth Doctor.jpg

Image:Ninth Doctor.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Alan-WK ( notify | contribs).

The FU rationale states used for "informational purposes", this is meaningless. Copyrighted image with no valid fair use rationale ( talk) Fasach Nua ( talk) 16:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Keep, it is for informational purposes, and his of use to it's respective article ( Ninth Doctor). Additionally, the fair use rationale is valid. Polarbear97 ( talk) 16:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep The FUR could use some tightening, but that is something that calls for a {{ di-disputed fair use rationale}}, disputed fair use, tag not an immediate move to IfD. Beyond that, the FUR is valid, as are the uses. - J Greb ( talk) 17:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep as above. I'm not an expert on fair-use copyright, but I'm sure the rationale can be corrected, rather than just deleting the image. – Tivedshambo (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep - fair use rational now exists, and it provides a useful purpose inboth the articles using this image. Stuart DD _{contributions} 18:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Speedy Keep Fair use rationale for both articles exist and are valid. Nominated shortly after I edited it... I'm sorry, but I cannot asume good faith anomore. Your pointless nomination spree has to stop. — Edokter • Talk • 19:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Speedy keep, and stop wikistalking. Will ^(
talk) 19:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Comment - General observations:
1. There is a degree of good faith for editing to holding the non-free images being used to the standards of having clear and valid FURs.
2. Calling out a FUR, either because it's deficient or missing, generally relies on placing a mantince tag (mentioned above) that stays on the image until the FUR is fixed and is accompanied by a notice to the uploader and the page(s) using the image.
3. IfD should be held as a remedy for either images that are blatantly unusable (lifted from another encyclopedia, digitally edited to add/remove elements, etc) or are intractable and perennially un- or poorly FURed.

Did Fasach Nua jump the gun by going for an IfD first? Possibly, but given the back-history between that editor and the poorly handled images for the Doctor Who project (damn easy to find) that may be a reasonable expectation that such a tag would be removed without the problem being addressed.

Are Edokter and Will assuming bad faith and engaging in personal attacks. From the side lines, the first looks damn clear and the second damn close.

And a suggestion, if editors dislike seeing images they've uploaded tagged for problems or deletion, fix them so they meet the more stringent guides, be they project level or Wiki level. - J Greb ( talk) 20:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image kept. No consensus to delete for reason given. - Nv8200p talk 01:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC) reply

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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, possible copyvio Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Qaswar_Z.JPG

Image:Qaswar_Z.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Qaswar ( notify | contribs).

old user image, now orphaned Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:QPAC-painting.jpg

Image:QPAC-painting.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Figaro ( notify | contribs).

derivative work of copyrighted mural; australian freedom of panorama does not include murals [1] Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Wndc logo 11-07.png

Image:Wndc logo 11-07.png ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fivesecondrule ( notify | contribs).

orphaned, was used on speedy deleted article Smashville ^BONK! 00:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Sodam Yat Secret Files.jpg

Image:Sodam Yat Secret Files.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete, we already have another image without this problem. *** Crotalus *** 06:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Sodam Yat Bio.jpg

Image:Sodam Yat Bio.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The "image" runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The text block is primary content originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete as completely pointless; there is never a good reason to have an image that consists of nothing but text scanned from a comic book. If portions of the blurb need to be quoted, then just quote it in the article. *** Crotalus *** 06:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Mogo.jpg

Image:Mogo.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete, no reason to push the boundaries like this; there are plenty of previous issues featuring Mogo, and in fact we already have a valid one on his article. *** Crotalus *** 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Isamot Kol.jpg

Image:Isamot Kol.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete; problematic for the reason listed above, and unnecessary because we already have an image in that article's infobox. It should be noted that many of the images in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files #1 are reprinted from previous issues, however. *** Crotalus *** 06:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Isamot Kol Bio.jpg

Image:Isamot Kol Bio.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The "image" runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The text block is primary content originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete. Why would we want a scanned image of copyrighted text anyway? If we need to quote a portion of it, then just quote it in the article. *** Crotalus *** 06:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Soranik Natu & Bio.jpg

Image:Soranik Natu & Bio.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Retroqqq ( notify | contribs).

The image runs counter to the information here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be "fair use" and the underlying principle of not using material copied from existing encyclopedias and encyclopedia-like works. The image was created and used in such a context where originally published in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files 1 (Feb 2008). -- J Greb ( talk) 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
- Delete. We can easily find an image of Soranik Natu that isn't from this particular compilation. It should be noted, however, that many of the images in Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files #1 (especially, but not only, of the more obscure characters) appear themselves to have been copied-and-pasted by DC from previous comics. *** Crotalus *** 06:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

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Image:London Midland Network ZP.svg

Image:London Midland Network ZP.svg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by XcepticZP ( notify | contribs).

Tracing of PDF from http://www.londonmidland.com/app/webroot/files/cache/FINAL%20LM%20MAP%20FOR%20TIMETABLE.pdf (various curves and points match exactly). -- Megapixie ( talk) 04:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Comment Wrong- This is a newer image. The image that was traced originally has now gone off the web. Dewarw ( talk) 20:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Delete. In my opinion, it's clearly a copyvio. I listed it as such here in October last year, but this was rejected at the time, possibly because the source image had moved and the external link no longer worked. Maybe I should have queried this at the time, but User:Dewarw had stated that it was in the graphics lab for improvements. However, it has now been over two months, and nothing has been forthcoming. – Tivedshambo (talk) 08:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Strong Speedy Keep This image can be improved through the lab, but not if it is deleted. The lab have been very slow this year (I mean last year!) and nothing much was done. Please see the Beeching II map, the other London Midland maps, the Superlink map, and many more, for egs where a "copy vio" image was fixed. It all takes time, and I thank you for your continued patience.

I am now going to put it back in the lab as a new project. If it is deleted, I will be very annoyed! If necessary, remove it from all Wiki pages temporarily. But then do not send some "bot" after me saying it is orphaned.....! There is no reason why this images should be deleted until the replacement is ready. Once again I thank you all for your continued patience, something that you gave me for the Superlink image. I understand that it is frustrating (I have been annoyed at the lab myself!) but this should be cleared up soon.

Regards, Dewarw ( talk) 20:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

The image cannot be improved. According to the file history, it was clearly a conversion of one of LM's images, which would not meet WP:NFCC as schematic maps are considered replaceable - we can get away with the Tube map because it is iconic and we can say stuff about it. The second version looks to be a modification of the first one, which would make it an unlicensed derivative work, which would not qualify for fair use. If this interpretation of the two versions is correct, the image is permanently tainted and we cannot use it. Any map must either be drawn from scratch, or derived from a free work. 90.203.45.168 ( talk) 17:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Update

Good news, the lab have started on a replacement- it is being redrawn from scratch. It will not be a copy vio (see similar images that I have put through the lab, such as Superlink, Beeching II, Central Railway, other LM maps etc.). THe reason why the underground map is on here, is the fact that it is a different version to the official one (redrawn).

Therefore, this should be cleared up soon. Do not delete the image until I leave a message on its page (and maybe here), requesting its removal. Dewarw ( talk) 17:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image deleted. Wikipedia cannot host copyright violations. When you have a version that will pass muster upload it and go forward. - Nv8200p talk 01:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC) reply

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Image:Lewis Hamilton November 2007.jpg

Image:Lewis Hamilton November 2007.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by DrPepperJo ( notify | contribs).

OR UE I uploaded the photo myself and found later that there are enough good photos of the same object and that it's not needed

Image:Goingoutwiththelads.jpg

Image:Goingoutwiththelads.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pissbits ( notify | contribs).

Orphaned and unencyclopedic. Used only in a deleted vanity article. Joyous! | Talk 15:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:HEROSofbeaverton.jpg

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Orphaned. Unencyclopedic. Just plain silly. Joyous! | Talk 15:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

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Image:Kit_left_arm_red_stripes.png

Image:Kit_left_arm_red_stripes.png ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bornintheguz ( notify | contribs).

It can't be under GUN FDL without authoer info O s a m a K 18:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep - the original uploader is no longer active, but it has an acceptable GFDL tag, and always has done. I don't see the problem. – Tivedshambo (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep. Punkmorten ( talk) 19:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Move to commons - Even if it was improperly licenced, it would fall into the category of being too trivial for copyright (I cant find the ref for tivial on commons, if someone else would look) Fasach Nua ( talk) 13:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

It's already in Commons. but it's without author (Uploader can't be the author, unless he said) and it can't be under GFDL without the author (Which is called "History" in GNU).-- O s a m a K 17:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Well if it is aleady at commons, delete wp version, I think it is inelligiable for copyright, but let commons sort it out (they are better at this anyway) Fasach Nua ( talk) 21:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I asked an admin at Commons at #wikimedia-commons , "Is it intelligible for copyright?" He said it not. And he advice me to "notice his uploader at English Wikipedia, then let's see what can we do at Commons"..-- O s a m a K 18:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete. No information about source or author. If it's too trivial for copyright, it should say so, rather than claim that it is licensed under the GFDL. -- RG ² 07:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC) reply

BTW, if people agree with this, I'll check other images and CSD same images..-- O s a m a K 18:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep. Football kit images are invariably custom-created for Wikipedia by the uploader. -- Carnildo ( talk) 00:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image kept. Tagged as PD-ineligible - Nv8200p talk 01:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC) reply

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Image:RDR bio 121407A.pdf

Image:RDR bio 121407A.pdf ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ron Kenaf ( notify | contribs).

OR, UE. It is a biography of a nn person, rather than an image. LeSnail ( talk) 19:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Band kitchen (2).jpg

Image:Band kitchen (2).jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Haikishi ( notify | contribs).

Useless. -- Punkmorten ( talk) 19:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
yep delete Fasach Nua ( talk) 13:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MF-Spirit-of-Detroit.jpg

Image:MF-Spirit-of-Detroit.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Carptrash ( notify | contribs).

No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Colemanyoungbldgdetroit.JPG

Image:Colemanyoungbldgdetroit.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mikerussell ( notify | contribs).

No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFCleveland1.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFatKirkIn_The_Hills.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Start_dream.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Frog_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Gazelle_Fountain_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Victory_Eagle_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use MECU≈ talk 20:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:The_Boy_and_the_Bear.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Two_Bears_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Baboon_with_sitting_friend_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Three_Clowns_Meijer.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFNordicCivilization.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Baboon.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Siberian_Ram.jpg

Image:Siberian_Ram.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gshecket ( notify | contribs).

No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:Marshall_Fredericks_The_Thinker.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFEasternCivilization.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFWasternCivilization.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

This is ridiculous, to claim copyright in the U.S. all that is needed is originality, these shots have it. This copyright nazi stuff is hurting the project and driving away potential contributors, originality, from what I understand, doesn't require much. Aujourd'hui, maman est morte ( talk) 10:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Image:MFSouthernCivilization.jpg

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No Freedom of Panorama in the USA, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP#USA must be used under fair use or get permission from creator MECU≈ talk 20:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply

I am now in the process of removing all my pictures of sculpture from wikipedia as being potential copyright violations. Feel free to join in. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply