Support and Comment: Seeing as we already have
Metroid (series) at GA, would it be more suitable to make this the "Metroid series" instead?
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 01:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Too many articles that aren't at GA and FA yet, including most of the Metroid games. Gary King (
talk) 01:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Mm, thought so; I wasn't for or against the idea. On the subject of the image, though, wouldn't a screenshot of the first-person gameplay of the series be more appropriate for this than an image of Retro's offices?
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 01:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Only free images can be used for topic boxes. This is a free image; gameplay images are not. Gary King (
talk) 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I see; the current image still doesn't, in my opinion, though, describe the series very well, though there doesn't seem to be anything better.
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 03:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
A photo of someone in a Samus costume would be a very nice image for this tpoic. Gary King (
talk) 03:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment. This topic reminds me a lot of the
Half-Life 2 episodes nomination. That nomination failed largely because it tried to create an unnatural feeling topic scope to leave out Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Survivor, and Codename: Gordon. This topic seems to be attempting to do the same thing by restricting this to the trilogy instead of making it a Metroid Prime titles topic to leave out Metroid Prime Pinball and Metroid Prime Hunters. When the Half-Life 2 nomination went down it came back with the left out titles included and was a much stronger topic. I really don't like the idea of being influenced by precedent, but it's hard for me to ignore how much better the Half-Life 2 topic became.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 02:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak support with some comments - firstly, to address Rreagan007's point - look at the "Halo trilogy" topic, this operates along similar lines. Part of the problem with the "Half-Life 2 episodes" topic was the excessive overlap with the existing "Orange Box" topic, and obviously there are no similar overlap problems here with Metroid Prime -
rst20xx (
talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Secondly, as for why I weak support - I think I would prefer
Metroid (series) to be the main article, rather than
Metroid Prime, as while this proposed topic doesn't cover the entire scope of the
Metroid (series) article, there isn't a rule to say that the entire scope of the main article has to be covered by the topic, just that the entire scope of the topic must be covered, and I feel
Metroid (series) would be a better fit for covering the scope of the topic than
Metroid Prime. What does everyone else think?
rst20xx (
talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Minor Support as I helped bring these articles to FA status, and a full-fledged Metroid Good/Featured Topic will be difficult to achieve. For the image... well, I put that Metroid logo up there instead of the Retro studios photo, though it could fit more after making an static version (and there's
an alternative).
igordebraga≠ 22:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose: While I agree these article are of excellent quality and deserved to be featured, the topic scope seems mismatched to me. The lead article should be a good overview of the whole topic. In this case, it seems more like an introductory article to the topic. I realize the Halo trilogy topic is of a similar structure, but it's lead article frames the other sub-articles in the context of the whole topic. (
Guyinblack25talk 22:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Unfortunately, I think that is also a miss match of scope as the Metroid series encompasses more than the Prime trilogy. (
Guyinblack25talk 23:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC))reply
That would make a better lead article, but I think
Metroid Prime Hunters should be included so there are no gaps. The Pinball game is a remake that doesn't add anything to the topic, so I don't think it's necessary. Also, what would happen if the rest of the Metroid articles improve and a full topic is possible? Would it be adsorbed into it? (
Guyinblack25talk 04:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
All interesting suggestions, and I'm open to doing something different. However, is there one that most of us can agree on? I think that this makes sense; please comment on what you guys think:
Hunters has been included because some consider it to be a vital part of the storyline
Pinball was not included; it was only suggested by
User:New Age Retro Hippie and suggested to not be included by a few others because it does not follow with the series' storyline
That seems more reasonable to me. But with a series article non-existent and Hunters rated C-class, it might be best to withdraw the nomination for now. (
Guyinblack25talk 17:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Yeah, I don't plan on keeping this nomination open if we are changing the topic's scope. However, I'd still like more feedback on a new setup before closing this nomination. And perhaps more feedback from uninvolved parties to the current setup. Gary King (
talk) 17:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I see it being a good supplement, but I don't see how it adds much to the topic. You pretty much summed it up in a single sentence, and Metroid Prime already mentions it in such a capacity. (
Guyinblack25talk 20:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Yeah, I don't know how much I would be able to cover Pinball in
Metroid Prime (series). I don't think there would be much on it to relate it back to the whole series. Gary King (
talk) 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
As per the prior discussion at
WT:FTC#Metroid Prime topic, I think Pinball should be included, if Hunters is to be included (once again, plot concerns are subjective). No-one's said they'd oppose if Pinball would be included, just that they think it would be fine without. Conversely, this makes two of us saying we'd oppose if it is excluded. Sorry.
Also, ask yourself honestly, would you be creating
Metroid Prime (series) because you feel there is a genuine need for this article, or because it would be easier to get
Metroid Prime (series) to GA than all the other already-existent Metroid articles? Because if it's the latter, then I don't think you should make the new article -
rst20xx (
talk) 20:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, Metroid Prime is an official series, per pages like
this, and a few times when Nintendo mentions it as a new series in press releases. Gary King (
talk) 20:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn following
request from nominator -
rst20xx (
talk) 22:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Support and Comment: Seeing as we already have
Metroid (series) at GA, would it be more suitable to make this the "Metroid series" instead?
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 01:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Too many articles that aren't at GA and FA yet, including most of the Metroid games. Gary King (
talk) 01:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Mm, thought so; I wasn't for or against the idea. On the subject of the image, though, wouldn't a screenshot of the first-person gameplay of the series be more appropriate for this than an image of Retro's offices?
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 01:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Only free images can be used for topic boxes. This is a free image; gameplay images are not. Gary King (
talk) 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I see; the current image still doesn't, in my opinion, though, describe the series very well, though there doesn't seem to be anything better.
Haipa Doragon (
talk •
contributions) 03:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
A photo of someone in a Samus costume would be a very nice image for this tpoic. Gary King (
talk) 03:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment. This topic reminds me a lot of the
Half-Life 2 episodes nomination. That nomination failed largely because it tried to create an unnatural feeling topic scope to leave out Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Survivor, and Codename: Gordon. This topic seems to be attempting to do the same thing by restricting this to the trilogy instead of making it a Metroid Prime titles topic to leave out Metroid Prime Pinball and Metroid Prime Hunters. When the Half-Life 2 nomination went down it came back with the left out titles included and was a much stronger topic. I really don't like the idea of being influenced by precedent, but it's hard for me to ignore how much better the Half-Life 2 topic became.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 02:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak support with some comments - firstly, to address Rreagan007's point - look at the "Halo trilogy" topic, this operates along similar lines. Part of the problem with the "Half-Life 2 episodes" topic was the excessive overlap with the existing "Orange Box" topic, and obviously there are no similar overlap problems here with Metroid Prime -
rst20xx (
talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Secondly, as for why I weak support - I think I would prefer
Metroid (series) to be the main article, rather than
Metroid Prime, as while this proposed topic doesn't cover the entire scope of the
Metroid (series) article, there isn't a rule to say that the entire scope of the main article has to be covered by the topic, just that the entire scope of the topic must be covered, and I feel
Metroid (series) would be a better fit for covering the scope of the topic than
Metroid Prime. What does everyone else think?
rst20xx (
talk) 14:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Minor Support as I helped bring these articles to FA status, and a full-fledged Metroid Good/Featured Topic will be difficult to achieve. For the image... well, I put that Metroid logo up there instead of the Retro studios photo, though it could fit more after making an static version (and there's
an alternative).
igordebraga≠ 22:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose: While I agree these article are of excellent quality and deserved to be featured, the topic scope seems mismatched to me. The lead article should be a good overview of the whole topic. In this case, it seems more like an introductory article to the topic. I realize the Halo trilogy topic is of a similar structure, but it's lead article frames the other sub-articles in the context of the whole topic. (
Guyinblack25talk 22:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Unfortunately, I think that is also a miss match of scope as the Metroid series encompasses more than the Prime trilogy. (
Guyinblack25talk 23:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC))reply
That would make a better lead article, but I think
Metroid Prime Hunters should be included so there are no gaps. The Pinball game is a remake that doesn't add anything to the topic, so I don't think it's necessary. Also, what would happen if the rest of the Metroid articles improve and a full topic is possible? Would it be adsorbed into it? (
Guyinblack25talk 04:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
All interesting suggestions, and I'm open to doing something different. However, is there one that most of us can agree on? I think that this makes sense; please comment on what you guys think:
Hunters has been included because some consider it to be a vital part of the storyline
Pinball was not included; it was only suggested by
User:New Age Retro Hippie and suggested to not be included by a few others because it does not follow with the series' storyline
That seems more reasonable to me. But with a series article non-existent and Hunters rated C-class, it might be best to withdraw the nomination for now. (
Guyinblack25talk 17:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Yeah, I don't plan on keeping this nomination open if we are changing the topic's scope. However, I'd still like more feedback on a new setup before closing this nomination. And perhaps more feedback from uninvolved parties to the current setup. Gary King (
talk) 17:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I see it being a good supplement, but I don't see how it adds much to the topic. You pretty much summed it up in a single sentence, and Metroid Prime already mentions it in such a capacity. (
Guyinblack25talk 20:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC))reply
Yeah, I don't know how much I would be able to cover Pinball in
Metroid Prime (series). I don't think there would be much on it to relate it back to the whole series. Gary King (
talk) 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
As per the prior discussion at
WT:FTC#Metroid Prime topic, I think Pinball should be included, if Hunters is to be included (once again, plot concerns are subjective). No-one's said they'd oppose if Pinball would be included, just that they think it would be fine without. Conversely, this makes two of us saying we'd oppose if it is excluded. Sorry.
Also, ask yourself honestly, would you be creating
Metroid Prime (series) because you feel there is a genuine need for this article, or because it would be easier to get
Metroid Prime (series) to GA than all the other already-existent Metroid articles? Because if it's the latter, then I don't think you should make the new article -
rst20xx (
talk) 20:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, Metroid Prime is an official series, per pages like
this, and a few times when Nintendo mentions it as a new series in press releases. Gary King (
talk) 20:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn following
request from nominator -
rst20xx (
talk) 22:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)reply