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The
U.S. state of
Texas has a series of seven major estuaries along its coast on the
Gulf of Mexico, most of them bounded by the
Texas barrier islands. The estuaries are sometimes named for their chief contributing rivers, and they are also sometimes referred to by the names of their respective primary or central bays. These water bodies include some of the largest and most ecologically productive coastal estuaries in the
United States and contribute significantly to the ecological and economic resources of Texas.
Thanks for this excellent topic! I am a little confused about the organization, since the sections of the main article are for the estuaries, but the subarticles are for specific bays within the estuary. For example the header of Colorado–Lavaca Estuary has
Matagorda Bay as the main article, though that estuary system also includes GAs
Carancahua Bay and
Lavaca Bay and a couple non-GAs. Then
East Matagorda Bay ("part of the Matagorda Bay system") is listed as a separate minor estuary. With that, I think
Estuaries of Texas should go into some more detail about the estuaries in general. It's made up of summaries of each of the individual articles but there's nothing really unifying about it other than being in Texas. What can be said about the common geology and ecosystem of this chain of estuaries, for example? Very interesting to read about!
Reywas92Talk19:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)reply
It's common to refer to each estuary system by the name of its main body of water, e.g. referring to the entire Colorado–Lavaca Estuary system as "Matagorda Bay", as noted at the end of the first lead paragraph in the overview article; these articles are about the entire systems, not just the central elements, and I've added to the blurb to try to make this more clear. This proposal is organized as an "overview topic", as described
here, meaning that all the smaller sub-bays and inlets are briefly covered within the articles on the seven major estuaries. East Matagorda Bay is described as a separate minor estuary by the state, as the cited sources confirm, because it's hydrologically separated from Matagorda Bay proper. The scope I'm proposing covers the articles on the seven major estuaries, each of which is larger and more complicated than all of the minor ones combined; the minor estuaries are covered at a depth suitable to their importance in the overview article. As for a unifying overview section in the main article, it had one... and the GA reviewer ordered that it be removed. I'll consider whether it would be appropriate to just put it back in now that the review is concluded. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Okay that makes sense on the naming then! Yes, that would be good to include that in the main article. While it works well as an overview topic, it's important to have content tying them all together beyond being in the same state.
Reywas92Talk23:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I've added a new overview paragraph to the headline article giving some geological history and going into greater detail about the ecological and economic significance of the estuaries to Texas. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
21:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Okay that's a decent start to an overview. Looks like there's more from the TWDB that could be included there but overall I support!
Reywas92Talk20:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm proposing that the scope of the topic be the major estuaries, each of which is of greater size and ecological and economic importance than all of the minor ones combined. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Comments' With the discussion of major/minor etc. I think this nomination may need to be renamed and have the lead updated to make the topic scope clear, at the moment there seems to be some confusion. Not sure if a renaming and change to scope would require a resubmit or what? Note - if this was clearly "Major Estuaries" I could easily support the nomination.
MPJ-DK (
talk)
21:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Hrm. Yeah, upon reflection, I guess this proposal probably needs one more article along the lines of "Minor estuaries of Texas" to meet the criteria for an overview topic of the estuaries of Texas. @
Armbrust: Would rebuilding this as a "Major estuaries of Texas" topic resolve your concerns? -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
23:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The
U.S. state of
Texas has a series of seven major estuaries along its coast on the
Gulf of Mexico, most of them bounded by the
Texas barrier islands. The estuaries are sometimes named for their chief contributing rivers, and they are also sometimes referred to by the names of their respective primary or central bays. These water bodies include some of the largest and most ecologically productive coastal estuaries in the
United States and contribute significantly to the ecological and economic resources of Texas.
Thanks for this excellent topic! I am a little confused about the organization, since the sections of the main article are for the estuaries, but the subarticles are for specific bays within the estuary. For example the header of Colorado–Lavaca Estuary has
Matagorda Bay as the main article, though that estuary system also includes GAs
Carancahua Bay and
Lavaca Bay and a couple non-GAs. Then
East Matagorda Bay ("part of the Matagorda Bay system") is listed as a separate minor estuary. With that, I think
Estuaries of Texas should go into some more detail about the estuaries in general. It's made up of summaries of each of the individual articles but there's nothing really unifying about it other than being in Texas. What can be said about the common geology and ecosystem of this chain of estuaries, for example? Very interesting to read about!
Reywas92Talk19:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)reply
It's common to refer to each estuary system by the name of its main body of water, e.g. referring to the entire Colorado–Lavaca Estuary system as "Matagorda Bay", as noted at the end of the first lead paragraph in the overview article; these articles are about the entire systems, not just the central elements, and I've added to the blurb to try to make this more clear. This proposal is organized as an "overview topic", as described
here, meaning that all the smaller sub-bays and inlets are briefly covered within the articles on the seven major estuaries. East Matagorda Bay is described as a separate minor estuary by the state, as the cited sources confirm, because it's hydrologically separated from Matagorda Bay proper. The scope I'm proposing covers the articles on the seven major estuaries, each of which is larger and more complicated than all of the minor ones combined; the minor estuaries are covered at a depth suitable to their importance in the overview article. As for a unifying overview section in the main article, it had one... and the GA reviewer ordered that it be removed. I'll consider whether it would be appropriate to just put it back in now that the review is concluded. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Okay that makes sense on the naming then! Yes, that would be good to include that in the main article. While it works well as an overview topic, it's important to have content tying them all together beyond being in the same state.
Reywas92Talk23:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I've added a new overview paragraph to the headline article giving some geological history and going into greater detail about the ecological and economic significance of the estuaries to Texas. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
21:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Okay that's a decent start to an overview. Looks like there's more from the TWDB that could be included there but overall I support!
Reywas92Talk20:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm proposing that the scope of the topic be the major estuaries, each of which is of greater size and ecological and economic importance than all of the minor ones combined. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Comments' With the discussion of major/minor etc. I think this nomination may need to be renamed and have the lead updated to make the topic scope clear, at the moment there seems to be some confusion. Not sure if a renaming and change to scope would require a resubmit or what? Note - if this was clearly "Major Estuaries" I could easily support the nomination.
MPJ-DK (
talk)
21:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Hrm. Yeah, upon reflection, I guess this proposal probably needs one more article along the lines of "Minor estuaries of Texas" to meet the criteria for an overview topic of the estuaries of Texas. @
Armbrust: Would rebuilding this as a "Major estuaries of Texas" topic resolve your concerns? -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
23:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.