Wounded Knee aftermath
- Reason
- Aftermath of the Wounded Knee Massacre with several bodies in the foreground. Appearance of grain is partly due to paper texture of the albumen print. Restored version of File:Wounded Knee aftermath.jpg.
- Articles this image appears in
- Wounded Knee Massacre
- Creator
- Trager & Kuhn, Chadron, Nebr.
- Support as nominator -- Durova Charge! 02:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see the subject well. It took me a while to distinguish the bodies, especially since it is black and white. I think I would prefer this image to be VP. Consider nominating this at Valued Pictures, which may definitly be promoted if it meets the criteria. Zoo Fari 02:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose As above, hard to distinguish the lumpy blankets as dead bodies. Sasata ( talk) 03:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support per nom. A rare image and the fact that that it may take the viewer a bit of looking to distinguish the bodies in a photograph shot in such high contrast conditions so long ago is not a problem. Images don't have to to be easy to completely interpret at a glance to be powerful and evocative. Mfield ( talk) 17:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support many people have romantic visions about cowboys and indians, kids play with their toys like I did. The cruelty of how it was is captured in material like this. This shows a reality that people rather forget. GerardM ( talk) 20:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support: At last, a picture that is really worth "a thousand words." Support all the way.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 20:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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- For all commenters: Remember, Valued pictures now exists on Wikipedia. It is time to start realizing what Valued pictures are and Featured pictures. It may qualify for both, but the best should be chosen. Zoo Fari 03:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- ZooFari's pursuit of this particular image is unreasonable. He has been made aware of an alternate FPC of the same subject:
Wikipedia:FPC#Wounded_Knee_Massacre. Yet instead of requesting that image for the VP program, he redoubles his efforts to get this one (with 50 times greater file size).
<spanstyle="color:#009">Durova
Charge!
17:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- If that is the case then it would be bordering on WP:POINT. The desires and outcomes of other projects should have no bearing here. We are voting on this image with respect to this project only. Mfield ( talk) 17:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- ZooFari's pursuit of this particular image is unreasonable. He has been made aware of an alternate FPC of the same subject:
Wikipedia:FPC#Wounded_Knee_Massacre. Yet instead of requesting that image for the VP program, he redoubles his efforts to get this one (with 50 times greater file size).
<spanstyle="color:#009">Durova
Charge!
17:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support Sad. Kind of reminds me of the Gaza situation. :( -- Muhammad (talk) 05:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per ZooFari and Sasata. As perviously stated above, it is quite difficult to distinguish the bodies in the image and I don't think such an issue should occur in a Featured Picture. Nominating this at Valued Pictures would be the best bet, I think. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 08:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Regretful Oppose per above. Definitely a strong valued picture candidate because of the great EV, though. Makeemlighter ( talk) 07:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Support per nom. Perhaps amending the caption to read something like: "...the bodies of several Lakota Sioux (covered by blankets)..." would make it more obvious what this is. Spikebrennan ( talk) 20:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, better I hope? Durova Charge! 00:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - stark and shocking evidence of an obviously unrephotographical (?) event. :) Intothewoods29 ( talk) 23:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support Per the nominator. Pastor Theo ( talk) 23:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Is that snow that is on the ground? Just curious, and should probably be mentioned in the caption if it is, as it is not in color.
Zoo
Fari
05:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, done. 07:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - also, it's clear to me that those are bodies (in reply to Oppose #1). The "subject" is scattered all over the battlefield, and I think that's obvious.
Xavexgoem (
talk)
09:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- That which is clear and obvious to you may not be so for others. When I look at this picture, I just see a bunch of blankets. Makeemlighter ( talk) 06:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support A rare picture of a sad truth, there's no need of gore pictures to see that.-- Jf268 ( talk) 11:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Mfield ( talk · contribs). — Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 20:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Though 'twas my idea first! :) Ceran →// forge 02:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Wounded Knee aftermath3.jpg MER-C 07:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Wounded Knee aftermath
- Reason
- Aftermath of the Wounded Knee Massacre with several bodies in the foreground. Appearance of grain is partly due to paper texture of the albumen print. Restored version of File:Wounded Knee aftermath.jpg.
- Articles this image appears in
- Wounded Knee Massacre
- Creator
- Trager & Kuhn, Chadron, Nebr.
- Support as nominator -- Durova Charge! 02:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see the subject well. It took me a while to distinguish the bodies, especially since it is black and white. I think I would prefer this image to be VP. Consider nominating this at Valued Pictures, which may definitly be promoted if it meets the criteria. Zoo Fari 02:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose As above, hard to distinguish the lumpy blankets as dead bodies. Sasata ( talk) 03:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support per nom. A rare image and the fact that that it may take the viewer a bit of looking to distinguish the bodies in a photograph shot in such high contrast conditions so long ago is not a problem. Images don't have to to be easy to completely interpret at a glance to be powerful and evocative. Mfield ( talk) 17:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support many people have romantic visions about cowboys and indians, kids play with their toys like I did. The cruelty of how it was is captured in material like this. This shows a reality that people rather forget. GerardM ( talk) 20:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support: At last, a picture that is really worth "a thousand words." Support all the way.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 20:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Click on show to view the contents of this section
- For all commenters: Remember, Valued pictures now exists on Wikipedia. It is time to start realizing what Valued pictures are and Featured pictures. It may qualify for both, but the best should be chosen. Zoo Fari 03:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- ZooFari's pursuit of this particular image is unreasonable. He has been made aware of an alternate FPC of the same subject:
Wikipedia:FPC#Wounded_Knee_Massacre. Yet instead of requesting that image for the VP program, he redoubles his efforts to get this one (with 50 times greater file size).
<spanstyle="color:#009">Durova
Charge!
17:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- If that is the case then it would be bordering on WP:POINT. The desires and outcomes of other projects should have no bearing here. We are voting on this image with respect to this project only. Mfield ( talk) 17:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- ZooFari's pursuit of this particular image is unreasonable. He has been made aware of an alternate FPC of the same subject:
Wikipedia:FPC#Wounded_Knee_Massacre. Yet instead of requesting that image for the VP program, he redoubles his efforts to get this one (with 50 times greater file size).
<spanstyle="color:#009">Durova
Charge!
17:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support Sad. Kind of reminds me of the Gaza situation. :( -- Muhammad (talk) 05:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per ZooFari and Sasata. As perviously stated above, it is quite difficult to distinguish the bodies in the image and I don't think such an issue should occur in a Featured Picture. Nominating this at Valued Pictures would be the best bet, I think. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 08:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Regretful Oppose per above. Definitely a strong valued picture candidate because of the great EV, though. Makeemlighter ( talk) 07:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Support per nom. Perhaps amending the caption to read something like: "...the bodies of several Lakota Sioux (covered by blankets)..." would make it more obvious what this is. Spikebrennan ( talk) 20:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, better I hope? Durova Charge! 00:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - stark and shocking evidence of an obviously unrephotographical (?) event. :) Intothewoods29 ( talk) 23:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support Per the nominator. Pastor Theo ( talk) 23:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Is that snow that is on the ground? Just curious, and should probably be mentioned in the caption if it is, as it is not in color.
Zoo
Fari
05:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, done. 07:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - also, it's clear to me that those are bodies (in reply to Oppose #1). The "subject" is scattered all over the battlefield, and I think that's obvious.
Xavexgoem (
talk)
09:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- That which is clear and obvious to you may not be so for others. When I look at this picture, I just see a bunch of blankets. Makeemlighter ( talk) 06:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support A rare picture of a sad truth, there's no need of gore pictures to see that.-- Jf268 ( talk) 11:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Mfield ( talk · contribs). — Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 20:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Though 'twas my idea first! :) Ceran →// forge 02:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Wounded Knee aftermath3.jpg MER-C 07:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)