Too small, slight discolouration, copyrighted image, available on Commons as well as here, non-remarkable. Also has a generic filename. Good point, I was mistaken.
I'll move this one to the suspended section until the copyright issues have been resolved. Raven4x4x 07:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep Firstly it is good that this discussion group finally contacted me. I originally posted the image after getting specific permission for the use of this image (and another) on Wikipedia from the owner, Neil Lawson. I have reproduced the request that I made to him by e-mail in May 2005 and his response.
Neil There is a free on-line encyclopaedia called Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page The article on gliding lacks a couple of good photos eg of a winch launch and a competition finish. (There are sexier gliders than a Blanik.) However they are fussy about taking photos unless there is clear evidence that the owner has given permission. Would you be interested in two of your photos being used? The photos as they are on your web site showing the copyright details would be good publicity for you (as well as gliding in general). The caption would also include a credit to Whiteplanes.com. They need not be very large. I could reduce them to any size that you specify, so no work would be needed from you.
Hi John, I'd be all for that, thanks for the suggestion... wow! do they need some of those pictures replacing... the "Modern Aerobatic Glider" shot is just phenomenally dull! How about you try and tempt them with the attached. Same for the "Touring Motorglider". And anything else they're stuck for - it's in our own interest really. If you're in touch with them, I'd be happy to supply images as long as there are credits. I could supply versions without the copyright strap, no problem. I'd also be happy to do any re-sizing. How about the attached to replace W280022? Slightly more dynamic. Cheers Neil the White Planes picture co
Unfortunately Neil was killed at Husbands Bosworth while photographing a glider in Aug 2005 [1] If you really insist, I could get further clarification from his friends who manage his estate including his photo library, but I think his intention was very clear. He was a remarkably generous man who was happy for his images to be used to promote the sport of gliding.
The file name is the one that Neil used. I have no problem with it being renamed. If the images supplied by Neil are thought to be small or discoloured, then they should be replaced, but only when better images become available. (I believe that the small white streak is a vapour trail.) Whether it is a remarkable photo is a matter of opinion, but the bend on the wings alone is impressive in my view. Please contact me again if this discussion threatens the use of Neil's images on Wikipedia.
Would Moondigger kindly suggest some way of proving that copyright permission has been obtained apart from a physical signature? Neil was the person who removed his own watermark and I resent implications that I might have broken his trust.
I also note that the proposal to remove this image was made by a 14 year-old.
JMcC
16:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Your request for permission only stated "However they are fussy about taking photos unless there is clear evidence that the owner has given permission." but you need to make it clear that the image must be released for any third party use. I'm not sure who the copyright of the images belongs to now, but I imagine whoever inherited the company (his family?). If this image is to stay, another request must be made, making in explicitly clear that the image needs to be freely licensed. ed g2s • talk 15:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Nomination for delisting was sidetracked by copyright issue. Delist discussion goes here.
Too small, slight discolouration, copyrighted image, available on Commons as well as here, non-remarkable. Also has a generic filename. Good point, I was mistaken.
I'll move this one to the suspended section until the copyright issues have been resolved. Raven4x4x 07:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep Firstly it is good that this discussion group finally contacted me. I originally posted the image after getting specific permission for the use of this image (and another) on Wikipedia from the owner, Neil Lawson. I have reproduced the request that I made to him by e-mail in May 2005 and his response.
Neil There is a free on-line encyclopaedia called Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page The article on gliding lacks a couple of good photos eg of a winch launch and a competition finish. (There are sexier gliders than a Blanik.) However they are fussy about taking photos unless there is clear evidence that the owner has given permission. Would you be interested in two of your photos being used? The photos as they are on your web site showing the copyright details would be good publicity for you (as well as gliding in general). The caption would also include a credit to Whiteplanes.com. They need not be very large. I could reduce them to any size that you specify, so no work would be needed from you.
Hi John, I'd be all for that, thanks for the suggestion... wow! do they need some of those pictures replacing... the "Modern Aerobatic Glider" shot is just phenomenally dull! How about you try and tempt them with the attached. Same for the "Touring Motorglider". And anything else they're stuck for - it's in our own interest really. If you're in touch with them, I'd be happy to supply images as long as there are credits. I could supply versions without the copyright strap, no problem. I'd also be happy to do any re-sizing. How about the attached to replace W280022? Slightly more dynamic. Cheers Neil the White Planes picture co
Unfortunately Neil was killed at Husbands Bosworth while photographing a glider in Aug 2005 [1] If you really insist, I could get further clarification from his friends who manage his estate including his photo library, but I think his intention was very clear. He was a remarkably generous man who was happy for his images to be used to promote the sport of gliding.
The file name is the one that Neil used. I have no problem with it being renamed. If the images supplied by Neil are thought to be small or discoloured, then they should be replaced, but only when better images become available. (I believe that the small white streak is a vapour trail.) Whether it is a remarkable photo is a matter of opinion, but the bend on the wings alone is impressive in my view. Please contact me again if this discussion threatens the use of Neil's images on Wikipedia.
Would Moondigger kindly suggest some way of proving that copyright permission has been obtained apart from a physical signature? Neil was the person who removed his own watermark and I resent implications that I might have broken his trust.
I also note that the proposal to remove this image was made by a 14 year-old.
JMcC
16:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Your request for permission only stated "However they are fussy about taking photos unless there is clear evidence that the owner has given permission." but you need to make it clear that the image must be released for any third party use. I'm not sure who the copyright of the images belongs to now, but I imagine whoever inherited the company (his family?). If this image is to stay, another request must be made, making in explicitly clear that the image needs to be freely licensed. ed g2s • talk 15:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Nomination for delisting was sidetracked by copyright issue. Delist discussion goes here.