Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 23:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
We also need to decide where to keep a record of the result on EXIF data; since there's no current section about this and the consensus was to not include it as a criterion, I'm unsure where this decision should be noted.
NOTE The two "prepared proposals" will be posted after this summary or an amended version has been approved. These as-yet-unseen proposals are NOT part of the summary, and an opportunity to approve, discuss and/or amend these will be given before any action is taken with regard to the "prepared proposals".
Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 14:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we lose the "straw" in straw poll if the majority view is substituted for consensus. While we do operate by rough consensus rather than complete unanimity, a majority in a straw poll isn't the same as a rough consensus achieved through discussion, is it? Here is my summary. I have copied Papa Lima Whiskey's summary and added a response.
1.1 - Nomination period should be: fixed, 9 days. A majority favors this outcome, but the concept of fixed duration vs. consensus-forming had some debate with Makeemlighter, Avenue, Snowman and Spikebrennan having different points of view. Large majority favored 9 vs. 7-day duration.
1.2. What to do in case of no consensus or no quorum: close the nomination normally keeping the possibility of re-nominating. This one needs discussion... many people supported this outcome, but a large number of people disagreed with the question, and it was amended to allow for the possibility of "failing" a nom by barring renomination. But it doesn't look like people realized they should follow up their comment under this new option.
1.3 Outcome should be determined on the basis of: vote counts except where particularly strong or particularly weak reasoning affects the count. Rough consensus: While four people did not want vote counts, vote counting is currently the status quo, and the minority that doesn't want this is not enough to overturn.
1.4. Majority is understood as: at least 2/3 of the !votes, i.e. 6S 3O is a promote. Near consensus, only one or two opposes to these questions, and they are swimming upstream against current consensus.
1.5. Pixel resolution should be: strictly the dimensions of the image. Near consensus: but a lot of people, including supporters of the idea, wanted some flexibility in interpretation, allowing for opposes if the image seems to have unnecessary "padding" at the edges which brings it up to the minimum. If that can be taken into account we can call it consensus.
1.6. Weak support or weak oppose counts: ½ of a full !vote. Consensus reached, keeping in mind reasoning still matters.
1.7. Delisting period should be: fixed, 2 weeks. Majority favors this, did not seem to attract strong opinions. I'm actually not sure what the status quo is. If we are to change the status quo it might warrant more discussion.
1.8. The nominator's support should be considered: Rough consensus: but 2 say it shouldn't count when nom is creator. However, status quo is to include nom's support.
1.9. The creator's or editor's support should be considered: Consensus reached IMO.
1.10. Minimum number of supports for promotion: 5 (status quo -> no action): Consensus reached for 5 supports IMO, though I am confused as to whether we are going to adopt the separate concept of quorum (which refers to number of participants, not supports).
1.11. Withholding EXIF info is OK. Consensus reached IMO. I believe only Raeky is fighting the existing consensus. However, a number of people think EXIF should be provided, just not required to promote.
Summary of summary:
Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 23:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
We also need to decide where to keep a record of the result on EXIF data; since there's no current section about this and the consensus was to not include it as a criterion, I'm unsure where this decision should be noted.
NOTE The two "prepared proposals" will be posted after this summary or an amended version has been approved. These as-yet-unseen proposals are NOT part of the summary, and an opportunity to approve, discuss and/or amend these will be given before any action is taken with regard to the "prepared proposals".
Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 14:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we lose the "straw" in straw poll if the majority view is substituted for consensus. While we do operate by rough consensus rather than complete unanimity, a majority in a straw poll isn't the same as a rough consensus achieved through discussion, is it? Here is my summary. I have copied Papa Lima Whiskey's summary and added a response.
1.1 - Nomination period should be: fixed, 9 days. A majority favors this outcome, but the concept of fixed duration vs. consensus-forming had some debate with Makeemlighter, Avenue, Snowman and Spikebrennan having different points of view. Large majority favored 9 vs. 7-day duration.
1.2. What to do in case of no consensus or no quorum: close the nomination normally keeping the possibility of re-nominating. This one needs discussion... many people supported this outcome, but a large number of people disagreed with the question, and it was amended to allow for the possibility of "failing" a nom by barring renomination. But it doesn't look like people realized they should follow up their comment under this new option.
1.3 Outcome should be determined on the basis of: vote counts except where particularly strong or particularly weak reasoning affects the count. Rough consensus: While four people did not want vote counts, vote counting is currently the status quo, and the minority that doesn't want this is not enough to overturn.
1.4. Majority is understood as: at least 2/3 of the !votes, i.e. 6S 3O is a promote. Near consensus, only one or two opposes to these questions, and they are swimming upstream against current consensus.
1.5. Pixel resolution should be: strictly the dimensions of the image. Near consensus: but a lot of people, including supporters of the idea, wanted some flexibility in interpretation, allowing for opposes if the image seems to have unnecessary "padding" at the edges which brings it up to the minimum. If that can be taken into account we can call it consensus.
1.6. Weak support or weak oppose counts: ½ of a full !vote. Consensus reached, keeping in mind reasoning still matters.
1.7. Delisting period should be: fixed, 2 weeks. Majority favors this, did not seem to attract strong opinions. I'm actually not sure what the status quo is. If we are to change the status quo it might warrant more discussion.
1.8. The nominator's support should be considered: Rough consensus: but 2 say it shouldn't count when nom is creator. However, status quo is to include nom's support.
1.9. The creator's or editor's support should be considered: Consensus reached IMO.
1.10. Minimum number of supports for promotion: 5 (status quo -> no action): Consensus reached for 5 supports IMO, though I am confused as to whether we are going to adopt the separate concept of quorum (which refers to number of participants, not supports).
1.11. Withholding EXIF info is OK. Consensus reached IMO. I believe only Raeky is fighting the existing consensus. However, a number of people think EXIF should be provided, just not required to promote.
Summary of summary: