Original - Interior of Our Lady of Sorrows Basilica.Founded in 1874. It has been administered by the
Servite fathers for its entire history. Ground was broken for the current church building on
June 171890 and the church was dedicated on
January 51902.Edit1 Edit to fix distortions as best as possible.Observer Edit Nothing much can be done to correct the edge softness, but the solution to the contrast and brightness is literally a click away.
Support - spectacular, lifts the article and informs. Is it perhaps a bit too bright here? - it seems more toned in the article but perhaps it depends on the slant of the LCD. Also I wish I could blot out that line of wall lights which puts support a bit on the edge.
Motmit (
talk)
10:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose obvious pincushion distortion, very blown highlights, too much NR. Surprised this made QI - doesn't say much for the QI review process.
Mfield (
talk)
20:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
I had a go, resulting in Edit1. It's about as close as I could get without major work. There's some pretty interlinking distortions going on.
Mfield (
talk)
23:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral to weak oppose Maybe it's my computer screen, but I don't see where it's grainy. I do, however, see that the lights are way too bright, and IMO that is the biggest detraction from the image.
JuliancoltonTropicalCyclone00:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose Looking at it in the browser window and then even more so at 100%, edges of image are very soft, I would say around 30% of the image area. Areas of image are too bright, there is a noticeable colour cast and contrast is a little lacking. What makes many of these errors surprising is they can be greatly reduced or even solved using a single mouse click... Auto Levels, in Photoshop. Fixed it up a lot. I then did some further manual levels adjustment, then I did some further contrast adjustment and removed the colour cast, but even the auto-levels did a lot by itself. See Right: Our Lady of Sorrows 080202 feedback.jpg. Apologies if this sounds harsh, but, one mouse click!
Capital photographer (
talk)
17:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment To me your edit looks to have too much magenta, I think the more orangey cast of the altar area in the original is probably more accurate to what the eye would observe, this is a building with a huge mess of different lighting sources and temperatures and white balance is always going to be a judgement call, something which auto levels is going to misjudge a lot of the time. Choosing the altar as an area of interest, and specifically the white cloth on the table in the center, I would tend more toward orange than magenta.
Mfield (
talk)
17:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
You mean a magenta cast over the whole image? The original has a strong orange/yellow cast. My colour calibrated display (I finally calibrated it) doesn't show any, but some displays have a magenta cast. Could anyone else please confirm if a cast exists?
Yeah, the edit definitely has a magenta cast. Auto levels isn't going to work well when the interior of the building is orange to begin with. The original looks reasonably accurate to me.
Thegreenj23:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Just to clarify, what you see here wasn't done with auto levels, rather manuals levels and brigtness and contrast adjustments. My point was I used auto-levels (though this change wasn't retained for the final version here) and it improved it quite a bit.
Capital photographer (
talk)
01:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak support edit 1, strong oppose observer edit It could be sharper, but I'm willing to overlook what is, to some extent, a depth of field issue a bit. The observer edit, however, looks unnatural, particularly in the painting above the altar.
Shoemaker's Holiday (
talk)
09:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Original - Interior of Our Lady of Sorrows Basilica.Founded in 1874. It has been administered by the
Servite fathers for its entire history. Ground was broken for the current church building on
June 171890 and the church was dedicated on
January 51902.Edit1 Edit to fix distortions as best as possible.Observer Edit Nothing much can be done to correct the edge softness, but the solution to the contrast and brightness is literally a click away.
Support - spectacular, lifts the article and informs. Is it perhaps a bit too bright here? - it seems more toned in the article but perhaps it depends on the slant of the LCD. Also I wish I could blot out that line of wall lights which puts support a bit on the edge.
Motmit (
talk)
10:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose obvious pincushion distortion, very blown highlights, too much NR. Surprised this made QI - doesn't say much for the QI review process.
Mfield (
talk)
20:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
I had a go, resulting in Edit1. It's about as close as I could get without major work. There's some pretty interlinking distortions going on.
Mfield (
talk)
23:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral to weak oppose Maybe it's my computer screen, but I don't see where it's grainy. I do, however, see that the lights are way too bright, and IMO that is the biggest detraction from the image.
JuliancoltonTropicalCyclone00:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose Looking at it in the browser window and then even more so at 100%, edges of image are very soft, I would say around 30% of the image area. Areas of image are too bright, there is a noticeable colour cast and contrast is a little lacking. What makes many of these errors surprising is they can be greatly reduced or even solved using a single mouse click... Auto Levels, in Photoshop. Fixed it up a lot. I then did some further manual levels adjustment, then I did some further contrast adjustment and removed the colour cast, but even the auto-levels did a lot by itself. See Right: Our Lady of Sorrows 080202 feedback.jpg. Apologies if this sounds harsh, but, one mouse click!
Capital photographer (
talk)
17:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment To me your edit looks to have too much magenta, I think the more orangey cast of the altar area in the original is probably more accurate to what the eye would observe, this is a building with a huge mess of different lighting sources and temperatures and white balance is always going to be a judgement call, something which auto levels is going to misjudge a lot of the time. Choosing the altar as an area of interest, and specifically the white cloth on the table in the center, I would tend more toward orange than magenta.
Mfield (
talk)
17:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)reply
You mean a magenta cast over the whole image? The original has a strong orange/yellow cast. My colour calibrated display (I finally calibrated it) doesn't show any, but some displays have a magenta cast. Could anyone else please confirm if a cast exists?
Yeah, the edit definitely has a magenta cast. Auto levels isn't going to work well when the interior of the building is orange to begin with. The original looks reasonably accurate to me.
Thegreenj23:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Just to clarify, what you see here wasn't done with auto levels, rather manuals levels and brigtness and contrast adjustments. My point was I used auto-levels (though this change wasn't retained for the final version here) and it improved it quite a bit.
Capital photographer (
talk)
01:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak support edit 1, strong oppose observer edit It could be sharper, but I'm willing to overlook what is, to some extent, a depth of field issue a bit. The observer edit, however, looks unnatural, particularly in the painting above the altar.
Shoemaker's Holiday (
talk)
09:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)reply