OriginalEdit Less noise, no ghosts, better colorsA small section of the sky zoomed in a little, with a bit of the foreground for scaleIf calibration means I can't tell them apart, I don't want to be calibrated
Reason
Cool night shot. Sharp and informative. As a side note, you may be interested in what looks like a drug deal in the lower right corner. ;-)
Proposed caption
The Oregon Convention Center is a
convention center in
Portland, Oregon. It is located on the east side of the
Willamette River in the
Lloyd District neighborhood. The Oregon Convention Center is best known for the twin spire towers which provide light into the building's interior.
* Oppose. The people are sharp, but the actual subject isn't really that sharp, and in fact it's pretty grainy.. the sky especially is very grainy. The surrounding city takes up too much of the image, and the blurry moving people mixed with solid people are distracting. Also, are there legal issues with this and that drug deal? --
ffroth03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Is your monitor calibrated? I don't see much grain and the sky should be all but black... No legal issues with the "drug deal" I would be surprised if that is what it really is. Plus there isn't enough information for an arrest, much less a conviction. kinda funny though.-
Fcb981(
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My monitor is fine, and besides when you zoom in with Paint, the grains are obviously part of the image data and not a monitor artifact. My second monitor is calibrated to display black-and-white text and when I put the picture on it, it looks like a starry sky from all the grains! (because the contrast is up so high). --
ffroth19:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose as per Froth's comments, also the image needs a bit of tilt to make the verticals properly vertical. I could live with a bit of graininess in the sky given the brightness of the windows, but the ghosts are pretty distracting. "Drug deal", heh, makes ya wonder...
Matt Deres15:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Support I do not see grains in the sky. The sky is black. The image is sharp. I could read the name of the street. A drug deal adds a special interest to the image IMO.--
Mbz116:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I took a random spot, sampled 2 adjacent sky pixels, and blew them up to 2 large rectangles. Are you telling me you can't see the difference between those 2 rectangles? --
ffroth20:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
It's not a matter of being unable to detect the variations in shade - I'm simply saying that I don't perceive the grain with my calibrated monitor.
deBivort00:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Technical quality is good but I don't really see anything worth the front page in that picture. In other words, the Oregon Convention Center is not recognizable.--
Svetovid 11:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC
Comment None of the FP
criteria put any value on the notability of the picture's subject, so it doesn't really matter how recognizable the OCC is. If this is your only reason for your vote, please reconsider.
SingCal20:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I still think you may have a monitor problem but you may be interested in the edit which also has the ghosts removed, and (while I couldn't see it!) I tried to remove the noise. : P -
Fcb981(
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Yep, that resolves it entirely. In fact, what I thought was a mountain barely visible in the background was actually graininess from the city's glow o_o I withdraw my oppose, and abstain from voting on edit 1 --
ffroth21:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)reply
OriginalEdit Less noise, no ghosts, better colorsA small section of the sky zoomed in a little, with a bit of the foreground for scaleIf calibration means I can't tell them apart, I don't want to be calibrated
Reason
Cool night shot. Sharp and informative. As a side note, you may be interested in what looks like a drug deal in the lower right corner. ;-)
Proposed caption
The Oregon Convention Center is a
convention center in
Portland, Oregon. It is located on the east side of the
Willamette River in the
Lloyd District neighborhood. The Oregon Convention Center is best known for the twin spire towers which provide light into the building's interior.
* Oppose. The people are sharp, but the actual subject isn't really that sharp, and in fact it's pretty grainy.. the sky especially is very grainy. The surrounding city takes up too much of the image, and the blurry moving people mixed with solid people are distracting. Also, are there legal issues with this and that drug deal? --
ffroth03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Is your monitor calibrated? I don't see much grain and the sky should be all but black... No legal issues with the "drug deal" I would be surprised if that is what it really is. Plus there isn't enough information for an arrest, much less a conviction. kinda funny though.-
Fcb981(
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contribs)03:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
My monitor is fine, and besides when you zoom in with Paint, the grains are obviously part of the image data and not a monitor artifact. My second monitor is calibrated to display black-and-white text and when I put the picture on it, it looks like a starry sky from all the grains! (because the contrast is up so high). --
ffroth19:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose as per Froth's comments, also the image needs a bit of tilt to make the verticals properly vertical. I could live with a bit of graininess in the sky given the brightness of the windows, but the ghosts are pretty distracting. "Drug deal", heh, makes ya wonder...
Matt Deres15:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Support I do not see grains in the sky. The sky is black. The image is sharp. I could read the name of the street. A drug deal adds a special interest to the image IMO.--
Mbz116:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I took a random spot, sampled 2 adjacent sky pixels, and blew them up to 2 large rectangles. Are you telling me you can't see the difference between those 2 rectangles? --
ffroth20:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
It's not a matter of being unable to detect the variations in shade - I'm simply saying that I don't perceive the grain with my calibrated monitor.
deBivort00:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Technical quality is good but I don't really see anything worth the front page in that picture. In other words, the Oregon Convention Center is not recognizable.--
Svetovid 11:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC
Comment None of the FP
criteria put any value on the notability of the picture's subject, so it doesn't really matter how recognizable the OCC is. If this is your only reason for your vote, please reconsider.
SingCal20:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I still think you may have a monitor problem but you may be interested in the edit which also has the ghosts removed, and (while I couldn't see it!) I tried to remove the noise. : P -
Fcb981(
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contribs)01:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Yep, that resolves it entirely. In fact, what I thought was a mountain barely visible in the background was actually graininess from the city's glow o_o I withdraw my oppose, and abstain from voting on edit 1 --
ffroth21:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)reply