Original - Cars that were on the
I-35W Mississippi River bridge when it collapsed remain on the wreckage. They were numbered as part of the investigation.Edit 1 Auto white balance and minor NR.Edit 2 - Fade corrected and NR.
Reason
Highly encyclopedic image showing a close-up of a modern disaster. This was chosen as one of the 12 most powerful photos of 2007 on ABC News online:
[1]
Weak oppose. It's a unique and valuable image, but with due respect to the ABC News poll, neither this nor many of the other 11 photos have much going in terms of technical or aesthetic quality. I find most of the rest of the collapse-day images in the bridge article at least as compelling as this one.--
ragesoss (
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02:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral It gets the green light on encyclopedic terms, although like Ragesoss, I doubt it's technical quality even compared to the other ones. A side question, why are all the cars numbered?
Dengero (
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02:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
It was part of the investigation; the photographer (with whom I was in contact) was unsure as to exactly what was done with the numbering. howcheng {
chat}03:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose because "more or less" encyclopedic doesn't quite cut it for me; I want to see a high quality image. Lighting in this image is rather drab, and while it does show the damage well, I think I'd rather see a wider perspective showing more distinguishing features of this bridge on this river. One could for example mistake this image for earthquake damage were it not captioned.
Fletcher (
talk)
23:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Edit 2 uploaded. I don't think much more can be done for the picture. That being said, since it's in the bridge collapse article, and titled bridge collapse, I think the likelihood of it being mistaken for an earthquake is low. If is it mistaken for an an earthquake, that just underscores to me how bad the damage was.
pschemp |
talk15:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose. A good picture with encyclopedic value, but not especially interesting in terms of technical or aesthetic quality.
Kaldari (
talk)
18:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Busyness of the image and other issues aside as far as the best image on the subject I think this falls quite short, surely one of the collapsed bridge and the debris from that is readily available, more encyclopedic, and probably be of a good quality while more easily fulfilling encyclopedic obligation.
Cat-five -
talk08:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think for a disaster of this magnitude, there is a place for both detail shots showing the intimate horror and large general shots showing the overall view. Both what happened to the bridge on a large scale and the experiences of the people in the cars on the bridge are valid parts of the event. Saying we can only feature a picture that is an overview is limiting what can be powerful information.
pschemp |
talk14:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Original - Cars that were on the
I-35W Mississippi River bridge when it collapsed remain on the wreckage. They were numbered as part of the investigation.Edit 1 Auto white balance and minor NR.Edit 2 - Fade corrected and NR.
Reason
Highly encyclopedic image showing a close-up of a modern disaster. This was chosen as one of the 12 most powerful photos of 2007 on ABC News online:
[1]
Weak oppose. It's a unique and valuable image, but with due respect to the ABC News poll, neither this nor many of the other 11 photos have much going in terms of technical or aesthetic quality. I find most of the rest of the collapse-day images in the bridge article at least as compelling as this one.--
ragesoss (
talk)
02:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral It gets the green light on encyclopedic terms, although like Ragesoss, I doubt it's technical quality even compared to the other ones. A side question, why are all the cars numbered?
Dengero (
talk)
02:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
It was part of the investigation; the photographer (with whom I was in contact) was unsure as to exactly what was done with the numbering. howcheng {
chat}03:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose because "more or less" encyclopedic doesn't quite cut it for me; I want to see a high quality image. Lighting in this image is rather drab, and while it does show the damage well, I think I'd rather see a wider perspective showing more distinguishing features of this bridge on this river. One could for example mistake this image for earthquake damage were it not captioned.
Fletcher (
talk)
23:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Edit 2 uploaded. I don't think much more can be done for the picture. That being said, since it's in the bridge collapse article, and titled bridge collapse, I think the likelihood of it being mistaken for an earthquake is low. If is it mistaken for an an earthquake, that just underscores to me how bad the damage was.
pschemp |
talk15:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose. A good picture with encyclopedic value, but not especially interesting in terms of technical or aesthetic quality.
Kaldari (
talk)
18:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Busyness of the image and other issues aside as far as the best image on the subject I think this falls quite short, surely one of the collapsed bridge and the debris from that is readily available, more encyclopedic, and probably be of a good quality while more easily fulfilling encyclopedic obligation.
Cat-five -
talk08:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think for a disaster of this magnitude, there is a place for both detail shots showing the intimate horror and large general shots showing the overall view. Both what happened to the bridge on a large scale and the experiences of the people in the cars on the bridge are valid parts of the event. Saying we can only feature a picture that is an overview is limiting what can be powerful information.
pschemp |
talk14:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)reply