- Reason
- Image of Hitler with the architect of the Reich, Speer in occupied Paris has high EV. Iconic photo of World War II.
- Articles this image appears in
- Adolf Hitler, Battle of France, Trocadéro
- Creator
- Created by Presse Illustrationen Hoffman (Heinrich Hoffman) Uploaded by SF007
- Support as nominator -- TheWB ( talk) 21:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - Can't we clean this up a bit? Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 14:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. I suggest a withdrawl for cleanup. Spencer T♦ C 01:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Question -I noted a tab on the file page and it says not to upload the file to commons since it was taken out of the US. I'm guessing... Upload the restored version to wikipedia? On another note, the Eiffel Tower could be darkened. Anyone preferred a darkened version? victorrocha ( talk) 02:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I realize this is suspended for cleanup, and although restoration is a worthwhile undertaking for its own sake I see obstacles to FP candidacy that no restoration could solve. Composition is unbalanced and cuts off one figure at the shoulder, which is a problem that will get worse with needed clockwise rotation and cropping. Focus is soft, lighting is unimpressive, resolution is not great, main subject takes up a small portion of the image. It's a snapshot. If this were the only free image of Hitler available then of course its EV would override the shortcomings, but we already have a featured photograph of Hitler with Mussolini. If we need a second FP of Hitler, the Hitler biography already has three other photos that depict more of the man and his career. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to show a head and shoulders portrait, or a Nazi rally, or an SS parade, than a photographically inferior image that makes Hitler look like a tourist? Durova Charge! 10:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Suspended for cleanup.
MER-C
04:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Moved to additional input for discussion on Edit 1. Nautica Shad es 01:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Makes more sense to reopen the nom rather than just seek 'additional input'. Would have done it earlier if I'd realised the edit had gone up. -- jjron ( talk) 09:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Fine work. My objections listed above still stand. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but a good job of washing behind the ear with soap and water. Durova Charge! 03:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose Too much empty space...and whatever Durova just said about pigs. smooth0707 ( talk) 14:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose per Durova, but nice job with the cleanup.-- ragesoss ( talk) 14:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support because of the high EV and good restoration. -- 151.124.247.200 ( talk) 16:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment As much as I hate to admit I agree completely with Durova. This does make Hitler look like a tourist and unless he was going to shoot the photographer for wasting his time, the sloppy composition could have been made better. As for the rotation it needs 0.38 CW rotation but the object of the framing was to get the Eiffel tower vertical.
victorrocha (
talk)
17:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- The architect of the reich in front of the Eiffel Tower carries some significant EV, and I don't expect Hiter devoted a lot of time for snapshots with someone outside his inner circle. -- Uncle Bungle ( talk) 21:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC) (forgot to login)
- Oppose per mostly the above. The image just has too much empty space and is terribly faded. Latics ( talk) 08:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose EV does not make up for terrible composition and fading, especially considering we have much better photos of Hitler. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 09:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Composition mainly. The picture isn't sure if it's of Hitler or of the Eiffel Tower, and as a result captures neither particularly spectacularly. It isn't a bad photo by any means, but it isn't a great one either, and the EV isn't high enough to make up for that. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 11:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per Smooth0707 ( talk · contribs). Cirt ( talk) 20:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment/Suggestion. Since the one guys' shoulder is cropped out, you could always try cropping out some of the white space above the tower, and cropping off some of the other guy's shoulder (the one on the right, so at least it'll be symmetrical), since the focus is Hitler, and the space on the right distracts from him. I think this has slim chance of being an FP, but the cropping could improve the picture.But you might want to get the opinion of some editors who actually have taken good pictures. Intothewoods29 ( talk) 02:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Not promoted . -- John254 00:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- Reason
- Image of Hitler with the architect of the Reich, Speer in occupied Paris has high EV. Iconic photo of World War II.
- Articles this image appears in
- Adolf Hitler, Battle of France, Trocadéro
- Creator
- Created by Presse Illustrationen Hoffman (Heinrich Hoffman) Uploaded by SF007
- Support as nominator -- TheWB ( talk) 21:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - Can't we clean this up a bit? Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 14:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. I suggest a withdrawl for cleanup. Spencer T♦ C 01:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Question -I noted a tab on the file page and it says not to upload the file to commons since it was taken out of the US. I'm guessing... Upload the restored version to wikipedia? On another note, the Eiffel Tower could be darkened. Anyone preferred a darkened version? victorrocha ( talk) 02:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I realize this is suspended for cleanup, and although restoration is a worthwhile undertaking for its own sake I see obstacles to FP candidacy that no restoration could solve. Composition is unbalanced and cuts off one figure at the shoulder, which is a problem that will get worse with needed clockwise rotation and cropping. Focus is soft, lighting is unimpressive, resolution is not great, main subject takes up a small portion of the image. It's a snapshot. If this were the only free image of Hitler available then of course its EV would override the shortcomings, but we already have a featured photograph of Hitler with Mussolini. If we need a second FP of Hitler, the Hitler biography already has three other photos that depict more of the man and his career. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to show a head and shoulders portrait, or a Nazi rally, or an SS parade, than a photographically inferior image that makes Hitler look like a tourist? Durova Charge! 10:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Suspended for cleanup.
MER-C
04:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Moved to additional input for discussion on Edit 1. Nautica Shad es 01:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Makes more sense to reopen the nom rather than just seek 'additional input'. Would have done it earlier if I'd realised the edit had gone up. -- jjron ( talk) 09:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Fine work. My objections listed above still stand. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but a good job of washing behind the ear with soap and water. Durova Charge! 03:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose Too much empty space...and whatever Durova just said about pigs. smooth0707 ( talk) 14:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose per Durova, but nice job with the cleanup.-- ragesoss ( talk) 14:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support because of the high EV and good restoration. -- 151.124.247.200 ( talk) 16:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment As much as I hate to admit I agree completely with Durova. This does make Hitler look like a tourist and unless he was going to shoot the photographer for wasting his time, the sloppy composition could have been made better. As for the rotation it needs 0.38 CW rotation but the object of the framing was to get the Eiffel tower vertical.
victorrocha (
talk)
17:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- The architect of the reich in front of the Eiffel Tower carries some significant EV, and I don't expect Hiter devoted a lot of time for snapshots with someone outside his inner circle. -- Uncle Bungle ( talk) 21:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC) (forgot to login)
- Oppose per mostly the above. The image just has too much empty space and is terribly faded. Latics ( talk) 08:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose EV does not make up for terrible composition and fading, especially considering we have much better photos of Hitler. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 09:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Composition mainly. The picture isn't sure if it's of Hitler or of the Eiffel Tower, and as a result captures neither particularly spectacularly. It isn't a bad photo by any means, but it isn't a great one either, and the EV isn't high enough to make up for that. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 11:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per Smooth0707 ( talk · contribs). Cirt ( talk) 20:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment/Suggestion. Since the one guys' shoulder is cropped out, you could always try cropping out some of the white space above the tower, and cropping off some of the other guy's shoulder (the one on the right, so at least it'll be symmetrical), since the focus is Hitler, and the space on the right distracts from him. I think this has slim chance of being an FP, but the cropping could improve the picture.But you might want to get the opinion of some editors who actually have taken good pictures. Intothewoods29 ( talk) 02:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Not promoted . -- John254 00:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)