The article was removed by Dana boomer 15:29, 15 May 2012 [1].
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I am nominating this featured article for review because of the many recently discovered problems with facts that are not supported by directly cited sources. This FAR is part of a general cleanup of articles about Madonna's albums and songs, ones in which sources were misused and even fabricated. Because of the high visibility of this article, and because of its status as a biography of a living person, we are very much encouraged to get it right. Let's make sure the article is as accurate as possible. Binksternet ( talk) 17:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC) reply
I intend to be involved with this FAR and fix as much as I can. Does anyone have Taraborrelli? My local library system doesn't have it available. -- Laser brain (talk) 22:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Resolved source issues from Laser brain
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Ref 3, close paraphrasing:
Ref 4(b), fails verification:
Ref 4(c), fails verification:
Ref 8, fails verification:
Ref 20, incorrect/fails verification:
Ref 22(a), fails verification:
Ref 32(a), fails verification:
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Ref 20, fails verification:
Ref 25, fails verification:
Ref 32(b), misapplied/redundant.
Ref 57, fails verification:
More surely to come. -- Laser brain (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Refs 21 and 22 (in the current version) are probably switched. Ref 21 does mention "Everybody", with a release date of April 24, 1982, which was the date given in the article though much of its history, and ref 22 is more focused on the recording contract. Gimmetoo ( talk) 13:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Am I right in thinking this is going on the main page in a few hours or so, and the article is still in review of it's FA credentials? How are things coming along? I'm not very active anymore, but I used to edit this article quite a bit. I just researched into the background of why this review is in process, I'm disappointed. — R 2 19:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC) reply
On August 4, 2011, Legolas2186 added a quote in this series of edits, referencing The Face magazine but fabricating a volume and issue number of 32 and 8, not the correct 3 and 43 which can be seen here and here. The tumblr site is the "official" archive of the magazine, the other site is a back order sales site (which does not have the issue in stock, unfortunately.) My guess is that Legolas got the quote from allaboutmadonna.com where they have transcribed something that appears to be an interview here. A big problem with that quote is that I cannot be sure it is accurately transcribed. It certainly does not give the author or page numbers or volume or issue. Legolas made up the volume and issue which makes me suspect that the page number and author, "Johny Davies", are incorrect as well. I don't know! Because of my uncertainty, I have deleted the page number and the author from the citation. Anyone who has a physical copy of this magazine issue is welcome to thumb through it and find out the pages and author—I would appreciate it. Also, is the article title simply "It's My Love-You-But-F**k-You Record!" or is it preceded by "Madonna" as in "Madonna: 'It's My Love-You-But-F**k-You Record!'"? (The word "fuck" is printed as "f**k" in the title.) An examination of the cover image makes me think maybe the latter is the case. Binksternet ( talk) 19:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC) reply
The content of the Sischy interview was misinterpreted. In our article we have Madonna's voice "in higher register ...with employment of double tracking." The Sishy interview (as transcribed by Madonna fans here, and it says nothing about singing in a higher register or double tracking the voice (there's something about double-tracking Madonna's guitar playing, an expert guitarist doing the same part in unison but later, which is often a euphemism for "we dumped your lousy instrumental part and got somebody much better to play it.") I ditched the bits about high register and double-tracked voice.
Note that Legolas put a false URL in his reference for Interview magazine in this series of edits. He gave us the false http://www.interview.com/april-2008/madonna but the Wayback Machine indicates that in 2008, the domain interview.com was owned by a job agency. The URL proffered by Legolas was never one that pointed to the magazine article. Instead, he gave an "archived" URL taken from allaboutmadonna.com. This was a violation of WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT, as it threw up a smokescreen of legitimacy. Binksternet ( talk) 01:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Comments please - anyone have any thoughts? Dana boomer ( talk) 00:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC) reply
The article was removed by Dana boomer 15:29, 15 May 2012 [1].
Madonna (entertainer) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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I am nominating this featured article for review because of the many recently discovered problems with facts that are not supported by directly cited sources. This FAR is part of a general cleanup of articles about Madonna's albums and songs, ones in which sources were misused and even fabricated. Because of the high visibility of this article, and because of its status as a biography of a living person, we are very much encouraged to get it right. Let's make sure the article is as accurate as possible. Binksternet ( talk) 17:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC) reply
I intend to be involved with this FAR and fix as much as I can. Does anyone have Taraborrelli? My local library system doesn't have it available. -- Laser brain (talk) 22:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Resolved source issues from Laser brain
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Ref 3, close paraphrasing:
Ref 4(b), fails verification:
Ref 4(c), fails verification:
Ref 8, fails verification:
Ref 20, incorrect/fails verification:
Ref 22(a), fails verification:
Ref 32(a), fails verification:
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Ref 20, fails verification:
Ref 25, fails verification:
Ref 32(b), misapplied/redundant.
Ref 57, fails verification:
More surely to come. -- Laser brain (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Refs 21 and 22 (in the current version) are probably switched. Ref 21 does mention "Everybody", with a release date of April 24, 1982, which was the date given in the article though much of its history, and ref 22 is more focused on the recording contract. Gimmetoo ( talk) 13:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC) reply
Am I right in thinking this is going on the main page in a few hours or so, and the article is still in review of it's FA credentials? How are things coming along? I'm not very active anymore, but I used to edit this article quite a bit. I just researched into the background of why this review is in process, I'm disappointed. — R 2 19:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC) reply
On August 4, 2011, Legolas2186 added a quote in this series of edits, referencing The Face magazine but fabricating a volume and issue number of 32 and 8, not the correct 3 and 43 which can be seen here and here. The tumblr site is the "official" archive of the magazine, the other site is a back order sales site (which does not have the issue in stock, unfortunately.) My guess is that Legolas got the quote from allaboutmadonna.com where they have transcribed something that appears to be an interview here. A big problem with that quote is that I cannot be sure it is accurately transcribed. It certainly does not give the author or page numbers or volume or issue. Legolas made up the volume and issue which makes me suspect that the page number and author, "Johny Davies", are incorrect as well. I don't know! Because of my uncertainty, I have deleted the page number and the author from the citation. Anyone who has a physical copy of this magazine issue is welcome to thumb through it and find out the pages and author—I would appreciate it. Also, is the article title simply "It's My Love-You-But-F**k-You Record!" or is it preceded by "Madonna" as in "Madonna: 'It's My Love-You-But-F**k-You Record!'"? (The word "fuck" is printed as "f**k" in the title.) An examination of the cover image makes me think maybe the latter is the case. Binksternet ( talk) 19:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC) reply
The content of the Sischy interview was misinterpreted. In our article we have Madonna's voice "in higher register ...with employment of double tracking." The Sishy interview (as transcribed by Madonna fans here, and it says nothing about singing in a higher register or double tracking the voice (there's something about double-tracking Madonna's guitar playing, an expert guitarist doing the same part in unison but later, which is often a euphemism for "we dumped your lousy instrumental part and got somebody much better to play it.") I ditched the bits about high register and double-tracked voice.
Note that Legolas put a false URL in his reference for Interview magazine in this series of edits. He gave us the false http://www.interview.com/april-2008/madonna but the Wayback Machine indicates that in 2008, the domain interview.com was owned by a job agency. The URL proffered by Legolas was never one that pointed to the magazine article. Instead, he gave an "archived" URL taken from allaboutmadonna.com. This was a violation of WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT, as it threw up a smokescreen of legitimacy. Binksternet ( talk) 01:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Comments please - anyone have any thoughts? Dana boomer ( talk) 00:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC) reply