The article was promoted by Laser brain 01:37, 23 February 2011 [1].
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I am nominating this for featured article because... I believe it meets the criteria. Pipe Dream is a musical derived from a rather raunchy novel by Steinbeck, and even though Rodgers & Hammerstein toned it down considerably, it is probably the most sexualized plot of their joint works. There is just no getting around the fact that the female lead is a prostitute, and her madam is a major character. Let me put it this way: this is not The Sound of Music.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Source review. I'll also say that it needs copy-editing, as there are quite a few typos and grammar glitches.
Other than that, sources appear reliable and appropriately used. Nikkimaria ( talk) 14:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Support: I made my main comments is a lengthy peer review, linked here. Most of my concerns were fixed there. I have a few remaining quibbles and suggestions:-
Fine addition to the R & H collection. Brianboulton ( talk) 21:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Well that's it. Sources look great and the prose reads well. This is an excellent article! 4meter4 ( talk) 03:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Except where commented on above to the contrary, I've made changes as requested. Thanks for the knowledgeable review.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC) reply
TCO Support. Very nice work. Benefits from your general understanding of the composers. Writing is sophisticated but accessible. Very smooth and economical. Nice narrative structure and quotes. (You already got rid of that one head scratcher on the setting thing...didn't even realize it meant 50s.)
I have read Sweet Thursday, but did not know of the play. Think the discussion of the novel versus the play was helpful for the reader and right way to handle things in article. Sounds like reading the book and maybe your article are the way to go. I guess listening to the songs maybe. But skip the play!
Have some minor suggestions for style. All kind of feel, rather than grammar issues. I reviewed for prose and logic.
TCO image review: I'm not FN. Just another bloke who uploads images, so take as a peer.
1. Size, composition, illustrative value were good. Thought author did a good job with the captions for the album cover and the Rickets lab to be clear on what they were, but also make them relevant to the article. Kudos.
2. Fair use on the album cover is well justified.
3. I wish we could get the Sweet Thursday cover in here, given all the discussion of that book...think it would not really be stealing or actionable. But I understand that it would not fly with current WP policy, so I'm NOT pushing for it.
4. I traced the Rodgers and Hammersteing photos permission back. They are part of a bulk donation with a bunch of warnings, but the source photo is part of the subset that is PD, so we are clear there. Interestingly the two images are cuts of a common image with Irving Berlin. I think use of two cutsis probably better though, for this article. TCO ( talk) 19:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC) reply
5. The street scene of Rickets lab was fine permission wise.
6. I'm unclear on the Steinbeck permission. Not "for sure" it's non-legit. Just had a question. See here:
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7. Quick Commons search on "Pipe Dream" did not find anything missing.
8. Advise the author to do a few, quick searches for free images to see if any can be added. Not some in depth library or database stuff, but a search of Google and then Flickr, using "advanced search" to restrict to free images (commercial use and derivative allowed). Try a few terms like "Pipe Dream", "John Steinbeck", "Richard Rodgers", and "Oscar Hammerstein" and just see if there are any good adds,. (Not trying to make this some huge research project, but this is FA, not GA. There's not a lot of content on this work, so a little quick internet surfing, could be worth the browser window time.) And if this was all done already, just let me know. If not, I can help, if a newbie is useful.
8.a. FYI: restricted Google image search for "John Steinbeck". There might be something in there. Would stay away from the poster picture as we don't know the underlying copyright. There is a Steinbeck USG photo (not as pretty as yours, but permission clear and could be cropped). Also there is a pretty statue of him looking out on Cannery Row. (We have to check the FoP situation, but it is on a USG site and has a high res available.)
TCO ( talk) 19:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Disambig/External Link check - no dabs or dead external links. 1 external redirect which may lead to link rot; see it with the tool in the upper right of this page. -- Pres N 00:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC) reply
The article was promoted by Laser brain 01:37, 23 February 2011 [1].
Pipe Dream (musical) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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I am nominating this for featured article because... I believe it meets the criteria. Pipe Dream is a musical derived from a rather raunchy novel by Steinbeck, and even though Rodgers & Hammerstein toned it down considerably, it is probably the most sexualized plot of their joint works. There is just no getting around the fact that the female lead is a prostitute, and her madam is a major character. Let me put it this way: this is not The Sound of Music.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Source review. I'll also say that it needs copy-editing, as there are quite a few typos and grammar glitches.
Other than that, sources appear reliable and appropriately used. Nikkimaria ( talk) 14:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Support: I made my main comments is a lengthy peer review, linked here. Most of my concerns were fixed there. I have a few remaining quibbles and suggestions:-
Fine addition to the R & H collection. Brianboulton ( talk) 21:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Well that's it. Sources look great and the prose reads well. This is an excellent article! 4meter4 ( talk) 03:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Except where commented on above to the contrary, I've made changes as requested. Thanks for the knowledgeable review.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC) reply
TCO Support. Very nice work. Benefits from your general understanding of the composers. Writing is sophisticated but accessible. Very smooth and economical. Nice narrative structure and quotes. (You already got rid of that one head scratcher on the setting thing...didn't even realize it meant 50s.)
I have read Sweet Thursday, but did not know of the play. Think the discussion of the novel versus the play was helpful for the reader and right way to handle things in article. Sounds like reading the book and maybe your article are the way to go. I guess listening to the songs maybe. But skip the play!
Have some minor suggestions for style. All kind of feel, rather than grammar issues. I reviewed for prose and logic.
TCO image review: I'm not FN. Just another bloke who uploads images, so take as a peer.
1. Size, composition, illustrative value were good. Thought author did a good job with the captions for the album cover and the Rickets lab to be clear on what they were, but also make them relevant to the article. Kudos.
2. Fair use on the album cover is well justified.
3. I wish we could get the Sweet Thursday cover in here, given all the discussion of that book...think it would not really be stealing or actionable. But I understand that it would not fly with current WP policy, so I'm NOT pushing for it.
4. I traced the Rodgers and Hammersteing photos permission back. They are part of a bulk donation with a bunch of warnings, but the source photo is part of the subset that is PD, so we are clear there. Interestingly the two images are cuts of a common image with Irving Berlin. I think use of two cutsis probably better though, for this article. TCO ( talk) 19:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC) reply
5. The street scene of Rickets lab was fine permission wise.
6. I'm unclear on the Steinbeck permission. Not "for sure" it's non-legit. Just had a question. See here:
[2]
7. Quick Commons search on "Pipe Dream" did not find anything missing.
8. Advise the author to do a few, quick searches for free images to see if any can be added. Not some in depth library or database stuff, but a search of Google and then Flickr, using "advanced search" to restrict to free images (commercial use and derivative allowed). Try a few terms like "Pipe Dream", "John Steinbeck", "Richard Rodgers", and "Oscar Hammerstein" and just see if there are any good adds,. (Not trying to make this some huge research project, but this is FA, not GA. There's not a lot of content on this work, so a little quick internet surfing, could be worth the browser window time.) And if this was all done already, just let me know. If not, I can help, if a newbie is useful.
8.a. FYI: restricted Google image search for "John Steinbeck". There might be something in there. Would stay away from the poster picture as we don't know the underlying copyright. There is a Steinbeck USG photo (not as pretty as yours, but permission clear and could be cropped). Also there is a pretty statue of him looking out on Cannery Row. (We have to check the FoP situation, but it is on a USG site and has a high res available.)
TCO ( talk) 19:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Disambig/External Link check - no dabs or dead external links. 1 external redirect which may lead to link rot; see it with the tool in the upper right of this page. -- Pres N 00:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC) reply