The article was archived by Graham Beards via FACBot ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2015 [1].
This article is about an Indian nationalist organisation that existed in London in the first decade of the 20th century. It is a slightly overlooked but important topic, in being the first prominent arena of nationalist works of a number of Indians who later became famous for various different reasons. Most famous amongst these people is V.D. Savarkar, but there is also leaders like Har Dayal, M.P.T. Acharya, V.N. Chatterjee and others who are associated with different political thoughts in India. The article failed FAC twice in the past almost seven years ago because of prose. It has remained stable since. I copy edited it recently to improve prose on the back of two other copy edits in the past by other editors. Would like to see this article meet FA criteria. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 15:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC) reply
FAC Coordinator's Comment - there are too many unsourced statements throughout the article; there should be no none. There are problems with the formatting (click on refs 2,7,11,26,31,33,36,44,52,73,and 85 for examples) and there are unused sources in the references.
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A few initial observations:
These are minor issues in what appears to be a well constructed and comprehensive article. Brianboulton ( talk) 16:42, 8 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Thanks Brian,
rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 17:37, 8 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Prose etc: I have begun a more detailed review of the article. These are my comments on the first few sections:
More will follow. The article is, I must say, generally well written and informative, and in my view can easily be brought to FA standard. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Image review
Thanks Nikki. This actually touches upon the very substance of the article itself. Although India House itself was a residence, ie a building, the term "India House" came to collectively describe the organisations that worked under its roof, the radical nationalists who lived and worked there, and the nationalist ideologies that emerged from this group of organisations and people. So when you say "India House", the term is associated with the latter group rather than the house itself. The article has an image of the house itself, but the introductory collage is a mash of the people who used the building for their works, or in the case of Anant Lakshman Kanhere, people whose actions in India were directly influenced by the organisations living in India House in London. The image of Maud Gonne ties in the links to Irish nationalist groups that had ties to the house. The central image of TIS ties everything together in that it was Kirshna Verma's mouthpiece and expressed the ideologies emerging from the house in words, and therefore represented all of this. The collage therefore exemplifies to the reader what India House was and what it influenced. This is important, since you will see from the "Influence" section that the house had a huge influence on many different aspects of Indian politics, from the independence movement before and during the great war, through Gandhian independence movement, to Hindu-nationalism and Indian communism which have had effects even upto present day Indian politics.
A simpler image, say for example of the house itself, or of Savarkar (who is the most famous association of the house) will be insufficient to the extent it will skew the reader's focus to either one individual (Savarkar or Dhingra) which would be leading to an inappropriate inference, or to the building itself, ie the architecture etc, which is absolutely not the focus of the article nor notable in any shape or form.
I hope this clarifies.
With regards to the source of Champakaraman Pillai image, it was obtained from commons, and the source is given as a website called Indianetzone. The website is listed as holding Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 permissions per
here. The photo itslef is of Pillai in his young middle age, and Pillai himself died in 1934 in Germany. The image is therefore taken sometime between 1910s and/or early 1920s. I cant say anything more about this image.
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New comment Could editors please review the replies to their comments. It will help me clarify if concerns have been adressed. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 19:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Re:Nikkimaria's comments regarding images Thanks Nikki for your comments. I have looked through the previous two nominations, where the issue of images were discussed as well. The Champak image I have figured out is actually a retouch obtained from this page which belongs to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. I have communication from Bhavan confirming permission on the basis of free license to use the base image (I can forward this to wherever may be necessary). I presume netzone has obtained this through similar understandings. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 15:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. I enjoyed this one a lot. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk) 16:06, 6 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Closing comment - Sadly, this nomination has stagnated and as there is no clear consensus for promotion, I am archiving it. I hope the nominator continues to improve the article and I look forward to seeing it back at FAC sometime after the required two-week wait. Graham Beards ( talk) 23:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC) reply
The article was archived by Graham Beards via FACBot ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2015 [1].
This article is about an Indian nationalist organisation that existed in London in the first decade of the 20th century. It is a slightly overlooked but important topic, in being the first prominent arena of nationalist works of a number of Indians who later became famous for various different reasons. Most famous amongst these people is V.D. Savarkar, but there is also leaders like Har Dayal, M.P.T. Acharya, V.N. Chatterjee and others who are associated with different political thoughts in India. The article failed FAC twice in the past almost seven years ago because of prose. It has remained stable since. I copy edited it recently to improve prose on the back of two other copy edits in the past by other editors. Would like to see this article meet FA criteria. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 15:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC) reply
FAC Coordinator's Comment - there are too many unsourced statements throughout the article; there should be no none. There are problems with the formatting (click on refs 2,7,11,26,31,33,36,44,52,73,and 85 for examples) and there are unused sources in the references.
Graham Beards (
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16:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
reply
A few initial observations:
These are minor issues in what appears to be a well constructed and comprehensive article. Brianboulton ( talk) 16:42, 8 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Thanks Brian,
rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 17:37, 8 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Prose etc: I have begun a more detailed review of the article. These are my comments on the first few sections:
More will follow. The article is, I must say, generally well written and informative, and in my view can easily be brought to FA standard. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Image review
Thanks Nikki. This actually touches upon the very substance of the article itself. Although India House itself was a residence, ie a building, the term "India House" came to collectively describe the organisations that worked under its roof, the radical nationalists who lived and worked there, and the nationalist ideologies that emerged from this group of organisations and people. So when you say "India House", the term is associated with the latter group rather than the house itself. The article has an image of the house itself, but the introductory collage is a mash of the people who used the building for their works, or in the case of Anant Lakshman Kanhere, people whose actions in India were directly influenced by the organisations living in India House in London. The image of Maud Gonne ties in the links to Irish nationalist groups that had ties to the house. The central image of TIS ties everything together in that it was Kirshna Verma's mouthpiece and expressed the ideologies emerging from the house in words, and therefore represented all of this. The collage therefore exemplifies to the reader what India House was and what it influenced. This is important, since you will see from the "Influence" section that the house had a huge influence on many different aspects of Indian politics, from the independence movement before and during the great war, through Gandhian independence movement, to Hindu-nationalism and Indian communism which have had effects even upto present day Indian politics.
A simpler image, say for example of the house itself, or of Savarkar (who is the most famous association of the house) will be insufficient to the extent it will skew the reader's focus to either one individual (Savarkar or Dhingra) which would be leading to an inappropriate inference, or to the building itself, ie the architecture etc, which is absolutely not the focus of the article nor notable in any shape or form.
I hope this clarifies.
With regards to the source of Champakaraman Pillai image, it was obtained from commons, and the source is given as a website called Indianetzone. The website is listed as holding Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 permissions per
here. The photo itslef is of Pillai in his young middle age, and Pillai himself died in 1934 in Germany. The image is therefore taken sometime between 1910s and/or early 1920s. I cant say anything more about this image.
rueben_lys (
talk ·
contribs)
09:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
reply
New comment Could editors please review the replies to their comments. It will help me clarify if concerns have been adressed. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 19:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Re:Nikkimaria's comments regarding images Thanks Nikki for your comments. I have looked through the previous two nominations, where the issue of images were discussed as well. The Champak image I have figured out is actually a retouch obtained from this page which belongs to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. I have communication from Bhavan confirming permission on the basis of free license to use the base image (I can forward this to wherever may be necessary). I presume netzone has obtained this through similar understandings. rueben_lys ( talk · contribs) 15:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. I enjoyed this one a lot. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk) 16:06, 6 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Closing comment - Sadly, this nomination has stagnated and as there is no clear consensus for promotion, I am archiving it. I hope the nominator continues to improve the article and I look forward to seeing it back at FAC sometime after the required two-week wait. Graham Beards ( talk) 23:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC) reply