- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot ( talk) 12 June 2022 [1].
Herman the Archdeacon
- Nominator(s): Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is about a man who did not have a Wikipedia article until recently even though he was important enough to have an Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article. Once I got into it, I found him a fascinating character. Mike Christie and Tim riley have given helpful feedback at Peer review. Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Support. Another fine article; I didn't have much to say at the peer review and have nothing to add now. How many Anglo-Saxon kings do you have left to bring to FAC, by the way? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks Mike. There are 9 Anglo-Saxon kings to go and 3 Danish. However, that includes Alfred the Great, which I have so far copped out of as it is such a mammoth project. Dudley Miles ( talk) 08:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Image and source review—pass
- Heavy reliance on Licence, but it looks like that's the main source that exists. I assume that the page numbers in Roman numerals are citing the introduction. No source checks done.
- "Herman the Archdeacon... was probably born in Germany." The first sentence of an article usually summarizes the subject's importance. I would shift the birthplace information to the second paragraph and then add a paragraph break before "Herman was a colourful character". (
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buidhe 22:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Buidhe. I havve rearranged as you suggest and also added a sentence. Dudley Miles ( talk) 07:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Herfast came into conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey over" - comma needed after Abbey
- "Lanfranc, the Archbishop of Canterbury sent an" - need a comma after Canterbury
- "sent an angry letter to Herfast, demanding [....] and concluding by demanding" - any way to avoid using "demanding" twice in the same sentence?
- "according to Licence, "was to" - there's no closing quote mark later in this sentence, so it's unclear where the direct quotation ends
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks ChrisTheDude. All done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 08:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Support from Tim riley
The few quibbles I had were thoroughly dealt with at the peer review, and on rereading the article I can find no more to carp about. It seems to me to meet all the FA criteria. A good read, well and widely sourced, balanced and comprehensive (as far as a layman can judge) and pleasingly illustrated. I look forward to seeing it on our front page. Tim riley talk 20:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Source review - pass
The dead tree sources look good to me -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Guerillero, just checking if this constitutes a source review pass?
Gog the Mild (
talk) 21:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ Gog the Mild yes! - Guerillero Parlez Moi 08:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Support Comments by JennyOz
Hello Dudley, I have a few questions and suggested links...
- conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey, - Abbey already linked in previous sentence
- Deleted. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Herfast's see was located - pipe wlink Episcopal see
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- both minsters had an income - pipewlink Minster (church)
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- He occupied a senior position there, probably precentor, and perhaps from about 1095 prior - prior is unfortunate word, maybe a comma after 1095 would help?
- Revised. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The abbey's most important relics - wlink relics
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- important relics were the bloody undergarments of the saint - bloody sounds like fresh blood? Maybe bloodstained or bloodied? (Maybe just me.)
- Changed to bloodstained. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the defeat - wlink
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- an advanced knowledge of Latin - poss wlink Medieval Latin
- He would have known both.
- which included Grecicisms - poss link to Grecicisms
- Done - and corrected typo. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- and neologisms...Herman's -- ellipsis per Mos? ie {{nbsp}}...
- Done -seems a bit odd to me but no point in arguing with MOS. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- with his inner Christian". [25] Summarising - remove space before ref
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- miracle collection...Nor were its - ellipsis
- institutional histories...Although - ellipsis
- in English affairs...Herman's - ellipsis
- All done Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- abbacy of New Minster, Winchester for his father - add geocomma
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- her Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article - add italics
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- the records of Norwich Cathedral, nor - wlink
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note c fos.623–677 - add space per others
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 38 Licence 2014. -page number/s?
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Winterbottom, Michael - editor-link Michael Winterbottom (academic)?
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Cats - add Category:People from Bury St Edmunds?
- Done - although I am not sure whether this is correct as he was not from Bury. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- incoming links - is there an appropriate place in Edmund the Martyr or Herfast, to link this article?
- I will look at this. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
That's all I could find to comment on. Thanks, JennyOz ( talk) 03:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks JennyOz. Replies above. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hog Farm Talk 00:42, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot ( talk) 12 June 2022 [1].
Herman the Archdeacon
- Nominator(s): Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is about a man who did not have a Wikipedia article until recently even though he was important enough to have an Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article. Once I got into it, I found him a fascinating character. Mike Christie and Tim riley have given helpful feedback at Peer review. Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Support. Another fine article; I didn't have much to say at the peer review and have nothing to add now. How many Anglo-Saxon kings do you have left to bring to FAC, by the way? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks Mike. There are 9 Anglo-Saxon kings to go and 3 Danish. However, that includes Alfred the Great, which I have so far copped out of as it is such a mammoth project. Dudley Miles ( talk) 08:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Image and source review—pass
- Heavy reliance on Licence, but it looks like that's the main source that exists. I assume that the page numbers in Roman numerals are citing the introduction. No source checks done.
- "Herman the Archdeacon... was probably born in Germany." The first sentence of an article usually summarizes the subject's importance. I would shift the birthplace information to the second paragraph and then add a paragraph break before "Herman was a colourful character". (
t ·
c)
buidhe 22:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Buidhe. I havve rearranged as you suggest and also added a sentence. Dudley Miles ( talk) 07:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Herfast came into conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey over" - comma needed after Abbey
- "Lanfranc, the Archbishop of Canterbury sent an" - need a comma after Canterbury
- "sent an angry letter to Herfast, demanding [....] and concluding by demanding" - any way to avoid using "demanding" twice in the same sentence?
- "according to Licence, "was to" - there's no closing quote mark later in this sentence, so it's unclear where the direct quotation ends
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks ChrisTheDude. All done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 08:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Support from Tim riley
The few quibbles I had were thoroughly dealt with at the peer review, and on rereading the article I can find no more to carp about. It seems to me to meet all the FA criteria. A good read, well and widely sourced, balanced and comprehensive (as far as a layman can judge) and pleasingly illustrated. I look forward to seeing it on our front page. Tim riley talk 20:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Source review - pass
The dead tree sources look good to me -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Guerillero, just checking if this constitutes a source review pass?
Gog the Mild (
talk) 21:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ Gog the Mild yes! - Guerillero Parlez Moi 08:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Support Comments by JennyOz
Hello Dudley, I have a few questions and suggested links...
- conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey, - Abbey already linked in previous sentence
- Deleted. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Herfast's see was located - pipe wlink Episcopal see
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- both minsters had an income - pipewlink Minster (church)
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- He occupied a senior position there, probably precentor, and perhaps from about 1095 prior - prior is unfortunate word, maybe a comma after 1095 would help?
- Revised. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The abbey's most important relics - wlink relics
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- important relics were the bloody undergarments of the saint - bloody sounds like fresh blood? Maybe bloodstained or bloodied? (Maybe just me.)
- Changed to bloodstained. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the defeat - wlink
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- an advanced knowledge of Latin - poss wlink Medieval Latin
- He would have known both.
- which included Grecicisms - poss link to Grecicisms
- Done - and corrected typo. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- and neologisms...Herman's -- ellipsis per Mos? ie {{nbsp}}...
- Done -seems a bit odd to me but no point in arguing with MOS. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- with his inner Christian". [25] Summarising - remove space before ref
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- miracle collection...Nor were its - ellipsis
- institutional histories...Although - ellipsis
- in English affairs...Herman's - ellipsis
- All done Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- abbacy of New Minster, Winchester for his father - add geocomma
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- her Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article - add italics
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- the records of Norwich Cathedral, nor - wlink
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note c fos.623–677 - add space per others
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 38 Licence 2014. -page number/s?
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Winterbottom, Michael - editor-link Michael Winterbottom (academic)?
- Done. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Cats - add Category:People from Bury St Edmunds?
- Done - although I am not sure whether this is correct as he was not from Bury. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- incoming links - is there an appropriate place in Edmund the Martyr or Herfast, to link this article?
- I will look at this. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
That's all I could find to comment on. Thanks, JennyOz ( talk) 03:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks JennyOz. Replies above. Dudley Miles ( talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hog Farm Talk 00:42, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.