The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot ( talk) 16:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC) [1]. reply
I've been working on this slowly to bring it to FA standard, and I believe it now meets the criteria. It was promoted to GA in September 2013 by LT910001, and in the same month went through an informal peer review by Brian Boulton. There was also a formal peer review in September 2014 by Brian, Victoriaearle and Johnuniq.
There are several people I want to thank because I couldn't have managed this alone: Brian, Victoria and Johnuniq for the reviews; Johnuniq for finding and fixing my mistakes and typos, and for creating File:FGM prevalence UNICEF 2014.svg and an earlier incarnation; Victoria, Johnuniq, Doc James and Zad68 for fielding questions on talk, and for their helpful advice along the way; Ekem for the complications section; Khruner for his kind help with the hieroglyphs; and Akhilleus, Davidiad, Wareh, Fornadan, Andrew Dalby and Thanatos for information about Ancient Greece.
Also many thanks to Doc James, Zero0000, Sunrise, Shrike, OhanaUnited, HHill, Khruner, CFCF and Jytdog for invaluable access to sources.
A note about the medical content. The article doesn't follow MEDMOS for structure, but does follow MEDRS for medical content. Ekem, a gynaecologist, wrote an early version of the complications section; his edits are here and here. Regarding structure, I would normally place history at the top, while medical articles often place it at the end. Neither seemed right here, so it's in the middle. The article begins by looking at the key issues: procedures, health effects, prevalence, ages and reasons. Then we go into history and the growth of the opposition, and end with objections to the opposition.
Many thanks again to everyone who has helped with this. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support: SlimVirgin is to be congratulated on her perseverence in bringing the article to its present standards of lucidity and comprehensiveness. This is a difficult and challenging topic, but reviewers should not be put off from engaging with it. It is a matter of global concern, even in Western countries such as the United Kingdom (it was highlighted in a TV local news report only yesterday). I have, as indicated above, been involved at various review stages in helping to organise and clarify the text, although I have made no contribution to the content. My support is subject to there being no substantive issues arising from sources, images or specialist text. I see this article as potentially an important contribution to Wikipedia, and hope eventually to see it on the main page.
Brianboulton (
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12:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Comment: SV, I know we disagree quite strongly about the utility of the policy in question, but, per non-free content criterion 8, File:Hulda Stumpf.jpg and File:Fran Hosken, 1950 (cropped).jpg really need to be removed from the article. We can understand the topic perfectly well without seeing pictures of the subjects; whether they/their views need to be included in the article (on which I defer to your judgement) is completely different matter to whether we need to see a picture of them. The same policy applies across all articles, no matter how emotive or controversial, and across all non-free content, no matter how old. J Milburn ( talk) 20:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support - I have to echo Brianboulton's comments completely. I believe this is an important contribution to Wikipedia and congratulate SlimVirgin for her fortitude in tackling such a difficult and yet important subject. Bringing such a topic to FA standard on Wikipedia is enormously challenging and I commend SlimVirgin for not giving up. I've just read through again (although I've began following edits closely since September during the PR) and don't see anything to comment about. Re the images mentioned in the comment above: in my view two non-free images (with FURs) for an article of such substance doesn't seem to be me out of proportion. Victoria ( tk) 22:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support: I've followed this article for some years and have seen SlimVirgin elevate it from quagmire to its current excellent status. The article is very well written, and is as engaging as a neutral article on this topic could be. I've read a few of the references and it appears there is nothing important missing. The text is well researched and well sourced. The balance of the article (its neutrality) is very good with no preaching. There is a lot of content, but none which should be elsewhere. I just re-read the article and inevitably noticed some minor issues:
I'm not looking for a response to these very minor issues—they are just for consideration. Overall, fantastic work on a very important topic. Johnuniq ( talk) 04:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC) reply
"Data reported regarding the FGM/C prevalence of girls aged 10–14 cannot be considered in the same way as that for girls/women aged 15–49 for two reasons. First, data concerning FGM/C prevalence for girls aged 10–14 is not yet available for any country except Egypt. Such data will soon become available for both the DHS and MICS surveys, because both began using an FGM/C module in 2011 that asks each respondent about the FGM/C status of all living daughters. Second, some girls will be cut at the age of 11 or 12 or even 13, so even if a figure for prevalence were available for girls aged 10–14, the figures would not convey the ultimate rates to be found among the cohort."
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Source review - spotchecks not done
The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot ( talk) 16:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC) [1]. reply
I've been working on this slowly to bring it to FA standard, and I believe it now meets the criteria. It was promoted to GA in September 2013 by LT910001, and in the same month went through an informal peer review by Brian Boulton. There was also a formal peer review in September 2014 by Brian, Victoriaearle and Johnuniq.
There are several people I want to thank because I couldn't have managed this alone: Brian, Victoria and Johnuniq for the reviews; Johnuniq for finding and fixing my mistakes and typos, and for creating File:FGM prevalence UNICEF 2014.svg and an earlier incarnation; Victoria, Johnuniq, Doc James and Zad68 for fielding questions on talk, and for their helpful advice along the way; Ekem for the complications section; Khruner for his kind help with the hieroglyphs; and Akhilleus, Davidiad, Wareh, Fornadan, Andrew Dalby and Thanatos for information about Ancient Greece.
Also many thanks to Doc James, Zero0000, Sunrise, Shrike, OhanaUnited, HHill, Khruner, CFCF and Jytdog for invaluable access to sources.
A note about the medical content. The article doesn't follow MEDMOS for structure, but does follow MEDRS for medical content. Ekem, a gynaecologist, wrote an early version of the complications section; his edits are here and here. Regarding structure, I would normally place history at the top, while medical articles often place it at the end. Neither seemed right here, so it's in the middle. The article begins by looking at the key issues: procedures, health effects, prevalence, ages and reasons. Then we go into history and the growth of the opposition, and end with objections to the opposition.
Many thanks again to everyone who has helped with this. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support: SlimVirgin is to be congratulated on her perseverence in bringing the article to its present standards of lucidity and comprehensiveness. This is a difficult and challenging topic, but reviewers should not be put off from engaging with it. It is a matter of global concern, even in Western countries such as the United Kingdom (it was highlighted in a TV local news report only yesterday). I have, as indicated above, been involved at various review stages in helping to organise and clarify the text, although I have made no contribution to the content. My support is subject to there being no substantive issues arising from sources, images or specialist text. I see this article as potentially an important contribution to Wikipedia, and hope eventually to see it on the main page.
Brianboulton (
talk)
12:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
reply
Comment: SV, I know we disagree quite strongly about the utility of the policy in question, but, per non-free content criterion 8, File:Hulda Stumpf.jpg and File:Fran Hosken, 1950 (cropped).jpg really need to be removed from the article. We can understand the topic perfectly well without seeing pictures of the subjects; whether they/their views need to be included in the article (on which I defer to your judgement) is completely different matter to whether we need to see a picture of them. The same policy applies across all articles, no matter how emotive or controversial, and across all non-free content, no matter how old. J Milburn ( talk) 20:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support - I have to echo Brianboulton's comments completely. I believe this is an important contribution to Wikipedia and congratulate SlimVirgin for her fortitude in tackling such a difficult and yet important subject. Bringing such a topic to FA standard on Wikipedia is enormously challenging and I commend SlimVirgin for not giving up. I've just read through again (although I've began following edits closely since September during the PR) and don't see anything to comment about. Re the images mentioned in the comment above: in my view two non-free images (with FURs) for an article of such substance doesn't seem to be me out of proportion. Victoria ( tk) 22:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Support: I've followed this article for some years and have seen SlimVirgin elevate it from quagmire to its current excellent status. The article is very well written, and is as engaging as a neutral article on this topic could be. I've read a few of the references and it appears there is nothing important missing. The text is well researched and well sourced. The balance of the article (its neutrality) is very good with no preaching. There is a lot of content, but none which should be elsewhere. I just re-read the article and inevitably noticed some minor issues:
I'm not looking for a response to these very minor issues—they are just for consideration. Overall, fantastic work on a very important topic. Johnuniq ( talk) 04:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC) reply
"Data reported regarding the FGM/C prevalence of girls aged 10–14 cannot be considered in the same way as that for girls/women aged 15–49 for two reasons. First, data concerning FGM/C prevalence for girls aged 10–14 is not yet available for any country except Egypt. Such data will soon become available for both the DHS and MICS surveys, because both began using an FGM/C module in 2011 that asks each respondent about the FGM/C status of all living daughters. Second, some girls will be cut at the age of 11 or 12 or even 13, so even if a figure for prevalence were available for girls aged 10–14, the figures would not convey the ultimate rates to be found among the cohort."
Notes
Source review - spotchecks not done