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Ezra Pound is the biography of a complex and controversial 20th century modernist poet. Thanks to Ceoil and Malleus for the copyedits and Elcobbola for a preliminary image review. This was a difficult page to tackle - thanks to Ceoil who had my back all the way, and to Modernist for a preliminary read-through. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC) reply
He doesn't know a damn thing about China ... That's what makes him an expert. He knows nothing about music, being tone deaf. That's what makes him a musician ... And he's batty in the head. That's what makes him a philosopher.
Smallman12q ( talk) 01:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC) reply
Further comments as promised:
Bring out some of the colour, things that make him three-dimensional for the reader. Sentences like this are good because they bring him to life: "He would spend his mornings studying in the British Museum library, then would have lunch at the Vienna Café on Oxford Street, presenting himself as an aesthete, serious about his art while affecting a distinct flamboyance—he dressed in brightly colored capes, wore an earring and hand-painted silk shirts." But sentences like this are dull: "He established himself within the literati of London, and his talent was realized as his poetry, reviews and essays were published."
And I think this work needs to be done by you alone, because with lots of people copy-editing it (people like myself who don't have easy access to the sources), there's a risk of errors appearing and things becoming even less clear.
I'm really sorry I can't support it this time round! SlimVirgin talk| contribs 06:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC) reply
I think this should always be avoided, unless it's clear from the context who is being quoted. But it's not clear at all who is saying "a six-by-six-foot steel cage, open to the elements, which had been specially reinforced," or why it needs to be in quotation marks, because it's a straightforward description. Providing a source in a footnote doesn't tell the reader who is being quoted, because even if you look at the citation it's still not clear whether the author is being quoted, or whether he is quoting someone else. But above all it's not clear why the words need to be in quotation marks.DTC's temporary commander placed Pound in one of the camp's "death-cells"—"a six-by-six-foot steel cage, open to the elements, which had been specially reinforced".
The big Jew is so bound up with this Leihkapital that no one is able to unscramble that omelet. It would be better for you to retire to Darbyshire and defy New Jerusalem, better for you to retire to Gloucester and find one spot that is England than to go on fighting for Jewry and ignoring the process.
It is an outrage that any clean lad from the country—I suppose there are STILL a few ENGLISH lads from the country—it is an outrage that any nice young man from the suburbs should be expected to die for Victor Sassoon, it is an outrage that any drunken footman's byblow should be asked to die for Sassoon ... You let in the Jew and the Jew rotted your empire, and you yourselves out-jewed the Jew ... And the big Jew has rotted EVERY nation he has wormed into. [4]
<ref>Doob, Leonard W. (ed.). ''Ezra Pound Speaking: Radio Speeches of World War II''. Westport: Greenwood, 1978.
- *Also see Gill, Jonathan. [http://books.google.com/books?id=ttMlqGMYCsIC&pg=PA115&dq=ezra+pound+radio+broadcasts&hl=en&ei=F9WmTIu8FsaUnQfQy5mRAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ezra%20pound%20speaking&f=false "Ezra Pound Speaking: Radio Speeches on World War II"] in Tryphonopoulos, 2005, pp. 115–116.</ref>
<ref>{{Harvnb|Doob|1978}}</ref><ref>{{Harvnb|Tryphonopoulos|2005|pp=115–116}}</ref>
Comment: Overall, the writing is of very good quality, but there are some issues of stylistic consistency (all of the following references are to the lede):
The article was not promoted by Karanacs 13:22, 5 October 2010 [1].
Ezra Pound ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Ezra Pound is the biography of a complex and controversial 20th century modernist poet. Thanks to Ceoil and Malleus for the copyedits and Elcobbola for a preliminary image review. This was a difficult page to tackle - thanks to Ceoil who had my back all the way, and to Modernist for a preliminary read-through. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC) reply
He doesn't know a damn thing about China ... That's what makes him an expert. He knows nothing about music, being tone deaf. That's what makes him a musician ... And he's batty in the head. That's what makes him a philosopher.
Smallman12q ( talk) 01:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC) reply
Further comments as promised:
Bring out some of the colour, things that make him three-dimensional for the reader. Sentences like this are good because they bring him to life: "He would spend his mornings studying in the British Museum library, then would have lunch at the Vienna Café on Oxford Street, presenting himself as an aesthete, serious about his art while affecting a distinct flamboyance—he dressed in brightly colored capes, wore an earring and hand-painted silk shirts." But sentences like this are dull: "He established himself within the literati of London, and his talent was realized as his poetry, reviews and essays were published."
And I think this work needs to be done by you alone, because with lots of people copy-editing it (people like myself who don't have easy access to the sources), there's a risk of errors appearing and things becoming even less clear.
I'm really sorry I can't support it this time round! SlimVirgin talk| contribs 06:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC) reply
I think this should always be avoided, unless it's clear from the context who is being quoted. But it's not clear at all who is saying "a six-by-six-foot steel cage, open to the elements, which had been specially reinforced," or why it needs to be in quotation marks, because it's a straightforward description. Providing a source in a footnote doesn't tell the reader who is being quoted, because even if you look at the citation it's still not clear whether the author is being quoted, or whether he is quoting someone else. But above all it's not clear why the words need to be in quotation marks.DTC's temporary commander placed Pound in one of the camp's "death-cells"—"a six-by-six-foot steel cage, open to the elements, which had been specially reinforced".
The big Jew is so bound up with this Leihkapital that no one is able to unscramble that omelet. It would be better for you to retire to Darbyshire and defy New Jerusalem, better for you to retire to Gloucester and find one spot that is England than to go on fighting for Jewry and ignoring the process.
It is an outrage that any clean lad from the country—I suppose there are STILL a few ENGLISH lads from the country—it is an outrage that any nice young man from the suburbs should be expected to die for Victor Sassoon, it is an outrage that any drunken footman's byblow should be asked to die for Sassoon ... You let in the Jew and the Jew rotted your empire, and you yourselves out-jewed the Jew ... And the big Jew has rotted EVERY nation he has wormed into. [4]
<ref>Doob, Leonard W. (ed.). ''Ezra Pound Speaking: Radio Speeches of World War II''. Westport: Greenwood, 1978.
- *Also see Gill, Jonathan. [http://books.google.com/books?id=ttMlqGMYCsIC&pg=PA115&dq=ezra+pound+radio+broadcasts&hl=en&ei=F9WmTIu8FsaUnQfQy5mRAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ezra%20pound%20speaking&f=false "Ezra Pound Speaking: Radio Speeches on World War II"] in Tryphonopoulos, 2005, pp. 115–116.</ref>
<ref>{{Harvnb|Doob|1978}}</ref><ref>{{Harvnb|Tryphonopoulos|2005|pp=115–116}}</ref>
Comment: Overall, the writing is of very good quality, but there are some issues of stylistic consistency (all of the following references are to the lede):