The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 7 August 2019 [1].
Deep Space Homer is a notable episode of the Simpsons. The episode has guest stars of Buzz Aldrin and James Taylor. The episode is well known in the Simpsons community, even having a copy for the International Space Station to watch. In the episode, NASA is concerned by the decline in public interest in space exploration, and therefore decides to send an ordinary person into space. After competition with his friend Barney during training, Homer is selected and chaos ensues when the navigation system on his space shuttle is destroyed.
This is a third run at FA for this article. Their were supports and an oppose leading to a no-consensus to promote. I have acknowledged all issues that were brought up and expanded the article using more reliable sources. I have asked for insight and did personal research. I also requested via the WP:GOCE for copy-editing and it was successful. I believe this article is ready for round three.
Note: Notifying @ Aoba47:, @ FunkMonk:, and @ Popcornduff: as they were involved in the second FA run. AmericanAir88( talk) 14:16, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
At a glance it looks a lot better; I will give it a look maybe this weekend. Quick suggestion; I just uploaded two Aldrin photos from 1996, which is relatively close to the 1994 taping date. Maybe use one of those, in addition to or to replace the image of him from 1969? Your call. Kees08 (Talk) 17:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
That's all I have. Prose reads great now. It looked like you wanted me to do the Aldrin photo switch, so I went ahead and made the change. If you preferred the other photo for any reason, feel free to use it instead, I meant it as a suggestion only. Let me know about the one comment above. Kees08 (Talk) 18:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Taking a look now...
Other than that, nothing is jumping out at me prose-wise.....
Cas Liber (
talk ·
contribs) 02:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Recusing from coord duties to take a look here. One of the first things I normally do when an article is relatively short is do a cursory library search to see if any notable sources have been overlooked. In this case, it looks like several academic sources could be used to expand the Production section and even develop a Themes section, since there are several journal articles that (on skimming) look to discuss how this episode plays into the US's culture around the space program. A few are listed below, but you should consult major library databases for a comprehensive list:
I must oppose on 1b and 1c until such time that all major sources are consulted and used. -- Laser brain (talk) 10:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature, not just that which you can find. Incidentally, something else I forgot to mention that's verging on the essential is Paul Halpern's What's Science Ever Done For Us? ( [2]), which discusses—notwithstanding a lightness of approach—the physics behind the story.You say you don't want a 'Themes' section? But the scholarship is based on drawing out the themes discoverable within the episode, so can hardly be avoided. For example, where you added the factoid regarding Simpson's alcoholism, you added it to the 'Prodction' section: it clearly has nothing to do with production.Remember that 1b—cited by Laser brain above—is about context, and something as sociologically and culturally impactful as The Simpsons is, whether one cares for it or not, a phenonomon for which discusion has broadened far beyond its fan base. —— SerialNumber 54129 11:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Serial Number 54129: and @ Laser brain:, Not every source needs to be in an article. See WP:OVERKILL. Also, see articles like Lisa the Skeptic and You Only Move Twice. Both are Simpsons episodes brought to FA status. I will try to work with you as best as I can to expand the article, but I do not see the benefit in all these sources. Deep Space Homer is well crafted will a great amount of information for readers. If I try to expand the article with miscellaneous information from sources, it may be longer but lacks quality. I am currently working on incorporated these books. AmericanAir88( talk) 15:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Laser brain:
AmericanAir88( talk) 14:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
After reading the entire article, I couldn't find a single aspect of the prose I'd suggest changing. I made a couple of changes to the article none-the-less, expanding the references, but aside from that I see no issues with sourcing or source quality. And after reading this FAC, I'm happy with the changes AmericanAir88 has made. The 3 worthwhile academic sources listed above have been incorporated well into the prose, and I concur that the 3 remaining sources have limited scope for inclusion: they do come across as fairly trivial, with references to this particular episode found within them fairly off-the-cuff, to say the least—not much depth to extract. Also couldn't find any additional academic sources worth mining for this article. With all this in mind, I'm happy to support this article for promotion on FAC 1a, b and c. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 01:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I have added the sources from the "Oppose" votes above while leaving out some that I feel will add nothing but miscellaneous content. The users have not responded to my further three pings. Homeostatis07 also strengthens by claim. I am going on vacation soon and while I will still be at my laptop sometimes, I may be at limited availability. AmericanAir88( talk) 13:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
A greatly entertaining read, well crafted.
Maury Markowitz ( talk) 21:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
This article is really not very well written, and thus fails criteria 1a. A few examples:
"A scene where Kent Brockman is convinced that ants are going to take over the world.""Where" applies to places; should be "in which".
"At the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, Homer Simpson believes he will win the Worker of the Week award since it is a union requirement."What exactly does that mean? That it is a union requirement that Homer believes he will win the Worker of the Week award? It's a union requirement that Homer wins the Worker of the Week award? Something else?
"Homer smuggled potato chips aboard the shuttle."Why the sudden and out of place switch to the past tense?
"Mirkin based the story on NASA's cancelled Teacher in Space Project where ordinary civilians were to be sent into space ..."Another misuse of "where".
"The scene where Homer floats in zero gravity ..."... and again.
"The episode shows the relationship of the Simpson family ..."That doesn't really make sense. Presumably what's meant is that the episode shows the relationships between the members of the Simpson family.
"The tension between the Soviet Union and the United States, created competition within nations."Again, that doesn't make sense. What's that comma doing there anyway?
I want to stress again that these are just a few of the many problems that need to be addressed before this article can be considered worthy of promotion in my view. Eric Corbett 20:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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Oppose I have to agree with Eric that the text isn't as free-flowing and smooth as it could be; I'm not sure it demonstrates Wikipedia's very best work. Two months into an FAC and I'm still seeing some basic problems that should have been picked up some time ago (although I guess they could have been created during the FAC process). Anyway, so of the more egregious points are below, but this isn't an exhaustive list
There are other bits that make the text less than easy on the eye (and GOCE isn't the best place to get a good copyedit: most couldn't copyedit their way out of a wet paper bag). – SchroCat ( talk) 07:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I noticed the discussion on WT:FAC, so decided to take a brief look at the article. I have a few prose and content comments:
... to fix a decrease in ...- Couldn't you just say "improve" here?
... leaves via a jetpack- Might be ENGVAR but "via jetpack" would work just fine.
Homer fails ... Homer accidentally ...- Repetitive sentence opener.
He based the episode on its NASA's cancellation of the Teacher in Space Project- I suspect "its" is a remnant and should be removed.
Aldrin however preferred the original line, which remained in the script- I think "remained" should be "was retained".
His recording session appears an extra ...- "appears an extra" should be "appears as an extra"
... on the DVD of the fifth season- Would it not be "DVD release"?
Barney regresses from being an athletic person to his usual drunken self by ingesting a non-alcoholic drink, while Homer is unable to complete the training exercises as a result of his withdrawal from alcohol- I was expecting a greater depth to this, but it's just a plot factoid. What's the significance of this statement?
... the relationships between the Simpson family ...- between "members of" the Simpson family.
... specifically how it evolves ...- Relationships is plural, so "it evolves" should be "they evolve".
This is evident when Homer and Bart are ...It's illustrated through that scene, but two people changing channels isn't evidence of anything beyond their personal non-interest.
... the viewing nature of society ...- I don't know what this is meant to mean.
"Deep Space Homer" is a part of the DVD and Blu-ray of the show's fifth season ...- Do episodes of a season usually get left out of seasonal releases? Also, "releases" again.
... commentary by Simpsons' ...+
... in the Simpsons: Risky Business ...- Definite articles (the) are used before Simpsons in some places but not in others, and there's not a pattern that I can identify to this.
... listing it as the third-best Simpsons movie parody- Given there is a Simpsons movie, this phrasing could cause confusion.
... IGN and Phoenix.com ...- Why is IGN italicized, but Phoenix.com not?
Hersch, Matthew (October 8, 2012). Inventing the American Astronaut. ISBN 978-1-137-02529-6. Retrieved February 8, 2018. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFHersch2012.- Unused reference.
That's all that I've noticed through a brief skim. Mr rnddude ( talk) 20:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Per the very good arguments presented by Eric. This article is not up to the standard that FAs should be. Was this even peer reviewed? Cassianto Talk
about this sentence:
1) What in the cited page in the cited source supports this?
2) Why is the word effected used here? Did you mean affected?
Kablammo (
talk) 01:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I've been largely out of action the past 48 hours owing to a family illness and obviously a lot has happened in that time. Although I regret to see heated comments, I'm archiving the nom owing to legitimate/actionable opposition being raised in what is already a drawn-out review. I fully endorse Cass' suggestion to note the opposing voices and ping them for their input at a future PR. BTW, we can do without headers about opposing an oppose -- everyone is free to disagree with other's comments but we don't need to make a song and dance of it. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 06:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 7 August 2019 [1].
Deep Space Homer is a notable episode of the Simpsons. The episode has guest stars of Buzz Aldrin and James Taylor. The episode is well known in the Simpsons community, even having a copy for the International Space Station to watch. In the episode, NASA is concerned by the decline in public interest in space exploration, and therefore decides to send an ordinary person into space. After competition with his friend Barney during training, Homer is selected and chaos ensues when the navigation system on his space shuttle is destroyed.
This is a third run at FA for this article. Their were supports and an oppose leading to a no-consensus to promote. I have acknowledged all issues that were brought up and expanded the article using more reliable sources. I have asked for insight and did personal research. I also requested via the WP:GOCE for copy-editing and it was successful. I believe this article is ready for round three.
Note: Notifying @ Aoba47:, @ FunkMonk:, and @ Popcornduff: as they were involved in the second FA run. AmericanAir88( talk) 14:16, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
At a glance it looks a lot better; I will give it a look maybe this weekend. Quick suggestion; I just uploaded two Aldrin photos from 1996, which is relatively close to the 1994 taping date. Maybe use one of those, in addition to or to replace the image of him from 1969? Your call. Kees08 (Talk) 17:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
That's all I have. Prose reads great now. It looked like you wanted me to do the Aldrin photo switch, so I went ahead and made the change. If you preferred the other photo for any reason, feel free to use it instead, I meant it as a suggestion only. Let me know about the one comment above. Kees08 (Talk) 18:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Taking a look now...
Other than that, nothing is jumping out at me prose-wise.....
Cas Liber (
talk ·
contribs) 02:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Recusing from coord duties to take a look here. One of the first things I normally do when an article is relatively short is do a cursory library search to see if any notable sources have been overlooked. In this case, it looks like several academic sources could be used to expand the Production section and even develop a Themes section, since there are several journal articles that (on skimming) look to discuss how this episode plays into the US's culture around the space program. A few are listed below, but you should consult major library databases for a comprehensive list:
I must oppose on 1b and 1c until such time that all major sources are consulted and used. -- Laser brain (talk) 10:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature, not just that which you can find. Incidentally, something else I forgot to mention that's verging on the essential is Paul Halpern's What's Science Ever Done For Us? ( [2]), which discusses—notwithstanding a lightness of approach—the physics behind the story.You say you don't want a 'Themes' section? But the scholarship is based on drawing out the themes discoverable within the episode, so can hardly be avoided. For example, where you added the factoid regarding Simpson's alcoholism, you added it to the 'Prodction' section: it clearly has nothing to do with production.Remember that 1b—cited by Laser brain above—is about context, and something as sociologically and culturally impactful as The Simpsons is, whether one cares for it or not, a phenonomon for which discusion has broadened far beyond its fan base. —— SerialNumber 54129 11:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Serial Number 54129: and @ Laser brain:, Not every source needs to be in an article. See WP:OVERKILL. Also, see articles like Lisa the Skeptic and You Only Move Twice. Both are Simpsons episodes brought to FA status. I will try to work with you as best as I can to expand the article, but I do not see the benefit in all these sources. Deep Space Homer is well crafted will a great amount of information for readers. If I try to expand the article with miscellaneous information from sources, it may be longer but lacks quality. I am currently working on incorporated these books. AmericanAir88( talk) 15:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Laser brain:
AmericanAir88( talk) 14:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
After reading the entire article, I couldn't find a single aspect of the prose I'd suggest changing. I made a couple of changes to the article none-the-less, expanding the references, but aside from that I see no issues with sourcing or source quality. And after reading this FAC, I'm happy with the changes AmericanAir88 has made. The 3 worthwhile academic sources listed above have been incorporated well into the prose, and I concur that the 3 remaining sources have limited scope for inclusion: they do come across as fairly trivial, with references to this particular episode found within them fairly off-the-cuff, to say the least—not much depth to extract. Also couldn't find any additional academic sources worth mining for this article. With all this in mind, I'm happy to support this article for promotion on FAC 1a, b and c. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 01:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I have added the sources from the "Oppose" votes above while leaving out some that I feel will add nothing but miscellaneous content. The users have not responded to my further three pings. Homeostatis07 also strengthens by claim. I am going on vacation soon and while I will still be at my laptop sometimes, I may be at limited availability. AmericanAir88( talk) 13:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
A greatly entertaining read, well crafted.
Maury Markowitz ( talk) 21:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
This article is really not very well written, and thus fails criteria 1a. A few examples:
"A scene where Kent Brockman is convinced that ants are going to take over the world.""Where" applies to places; should be "in which".
"At the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, Homer Simpson believes he will win the Worker of the Week award since it is a union requirement."What exactly does that mean? That it is a union requirement that Homer believes he will win the Worker of the Week award? It's a union requirement that Homer wins the Worker of the Week award? Something else?
"Homer smuggled potato chips aboard the shuttle."Why the sudden and out of place switch to the past tense?
"Mirkin based the story on NASA's cancelled Teacher in Space Project where ordinary civilians were to be sent into space ..."Another misuse of "where".
"The scene where Homer floats in zero gravity ..."... and again.
"The episode shows the relationship of the Simpson family ..."That doesn't really make sense. Presumably what's meant is that the episode shows the relationships between the members of the Simpson family.
"The tension between the Soviet Union and the United States, created competition within nations."Again, that doesn't make sense. What's that comma doing there anyway?
I want to stress again that these are just a few of the many problems that need to be addressed before this article can be considered worthy of promotion in my view. Eric Corbett 20:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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Oppose I have to agree with Eric that the text isn't as free-flowing and smooth as it could be; I'm not sure it demonstrates Wikipedia's very best work. Two months into an FAC and I'm still seeing some basic problems that should have been picked up some time ago (although I guess they could have been created during the FAC process). Anyway, so of the more egregious points are below, but this isn't an exhaustive list
There are other bits that make the text less than easy on the eye (and GOCE isn't the best place to get a good copyedit: most couldn't copyedit their way out of a wet paper bag). – SchroCat ( talk) 07:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I noticed the discussion on WT:FAC, so decided to take a brief look at the article. I have a few prose and content comments:
... to fix a decrease in ...- Couldn't you just say "improve" here?
... leaves via a jetpack- Might be ENGVAR but "via jetpack" would work just fine.
Homer fails ... Homer accidentally ...- Repetitive sentence opener.
He based the episode on its NASA's cancellation of the Teacher in Space Project- I suspect "its" is a remnant and should be removed.
Aldrin however preferred the original line, which remained in the script- I think "remained" should be "was retained".
His recording session appears an extra ...- "appears an extra" should be "appears as an extra"
... on the DVD of the fifth season- Would it not be "DVD release"?
Barney regresses from being an athletic person to his usual drunken self by ingesting a non-alcoholic drink, while Homer is unable to complete the training exercises as a result of his withdrawal from alcohol- I was expecting a greater depth to this, but it's just a plot factoid. What's the significance of this statement?
... the relationships between the Simpson family ...- between "members of" the Simpson family.
... specifically how it evolves ...- Relationships is plural, so "it evolves" should be "they evolve".
This is evident when Homer and Bart are ...It's illustrated through that scene, but two people changing channels isn't evidence of anything beyond their personal non-interest.
... the viewing nature of society ...- I don't know what this is meant to mean.
"Deep Space Homer" is a part of the DVD and Blu-ray of the show's fifth season ...- Do episodes of a season usually get left out of seasonal releases? Also, "releases" again.
... commentary by Simpsons' ...+
... in the Simpsons: Risky Business ...- Definite articles (the) are used before Simpsons in some places but not in others, and there's not a pattern that I can identify to this.
... listing it as the third-best Simpsons movie parody- Given there is a Simpsons movie, this phrasing could cause confusion.
... IGN and Phoenix.com ...- Why is IGN italicized, but Phoenix.com not?
Hersch, Matthew (October 8, 2012). Inventing the American Astronaut. ISBN 978-1-137-02529-6. Retrieved February 8, 2018. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFHersch2012.- Unused reference.
That's all that I've noticed through a brief skim. Mr rnddude ( talk) 20:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Per the very good arguments presented by Eric. This article is not up to the standard that FAs should be. Was this even peer reviewed? Cassianto Talk
about this sentence:
1) What in the cited page in the cited source supports this?
2) Why is the word effected used here? Did you mean affected?
Kablammo (
talk) 01:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I've been largely out of action the past 48 hours owing to a family illness and obviously a lot has happened in that time. Although I regret to see heated comments, I'm archiving the nom owing to legitimate/actionable opposition being raised in what is already a drawn-out review. I fully endorse Cass' suggestion to note the opposing voices and ping them for their input at a future PR. BTW, we can do without headers about opposing an oppose -- everyone is free to disagree with other's comments but we don't need to make a song and dance of it. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 06:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)