The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot ( talk) 22 June 2022 [1].
This is my second nomination of this article. My first nomination last year, while garnering 3 supports, was failed over text-source integrity concerns, and my reaction to this was less than ideal. I gave it 4 months to cool off, and have since performed a major check for this issue and made numerous corrections. The article itself is about a rail yard in Connecticut, which once held the title of the largest such facility in the United States east of the Mississippi River. Today it is much smaller, but remains the largest rail yard in Connecticut. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 04:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about the bad experience at FAC earlier with this article. I had a similar experience; hope this nom goes better! AviationFreak 💬 22:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
@ AviationFreak: Sorry for the delay in getting a loose end tied up. How does the article look now? Anything else you want me to work on? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 17:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Reserving a spot. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
[..] and the NYNH&H's existing facilities and land in the area.Prior abbreviation of this railroad's name in the article was "the New Haven". Why use an acronym here?
[...] removing a long-standing bottleneck on the New Haven Railroad's system.Similar thing happening here.
[...] from cuts made elsewhere [...]Can a link be added here?
After several years of construction, the new Cedar Hill Yard opened in 1920.[16][17]and
As part of the yard's expansion, a new freight transfer station to handle less-than-car load freight was built, which opened in July 1920.[15]be merged? This would make the paragraph more immediately recognizable as the culmination of the previous; the first clause of the first highlighted sentence is also redundant.
[...] and the catenary in the yard dismantled.was dismantled.
As of 2021, this line is operated by the Providence and Worcester.Add link.
Support on prose. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 17:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Ref | Text cited | Probable ref text | Comments/Fixes |
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6 | "In 1914, the New Haven added electrical catenary to the yard as part of its electrification program; operations with electric locomotives began in October of that year." | No direct quote. This is a summary of the whole article | Nothing tying this event to 1914 or October |
25 | "Traffic was rerouted over alternate trestles until the repairs, estimated by a New Haven Railroad spokesperson to cost up to $100,000 (equivalent to $970,000 in 2020 dollars), could be completed" | No direct quote. This is a summary of the whole article | Cite 25 was also used. From the AP; the wire service should be mentioned. Integrity good |
4 | "The strike came to an end on November 23." | I am paywalled out, but things seem good | |
42a | "Penn Central was merged into Conrail in 1976, along with many other bankrupt or troubled railroads in the Northeast, making Conrail the yard's new owner beginning in April." | "Since April, ConRail [...]" | Article does not mention the conrail creation |
42c | "Conrail also rebuilt and reopened several tracks in the yard that had been out of service due to their unsafe condition, a consequence of deferred maintenance." | deferred maintenance is not mentioned | |
42d | "The railroad projected it would spend over $3 million (equivalent to $4,800,000 in 2021) on repairs between the two yards; Conrail's Northeast Region general manager told a local newspaper that "By the end of the year, 30,000 more ties will be installed in Cedar Hill and Hartford Yards and an additional 34 miles (55 km) of tracks surfaced". | Good | |
42e | "In August 1976, Cedar Hill averaged 34 TOFC loads per day, and Conrail projected this number to double upon the completion of a clearance raising project for Risley's Bridge in Berlin, Connecticut." | Good | |
8a | "The New Haven Railroad purchased approximately 500 acres (200 ha) of land in the Cedar Hill area in 1917 in order to construct a new classification yard." | Good | |
8b | "Construction began the same year." | Good | |
47 | "With the line abandoned, the key link between Cedar Hill Yard and the rest of the country was severed." | I don't see a connection to the yard here |
10% spotcheck -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Ref | Text cited | Probable ref text | Comments/Fixes |
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59 | "The yard contains a TRANSFLO bulk cargo transfer terminal which handles transloading." | Map | Map dosen't load for me in FireFox because they are loading http things on an https site and there is no way to grabbing the http version. I am going to AGF here |
36 | "The New Haven's initial decision not to replace the damaged bridge resulted in criticism; a union observer testified to the Connecticut public utilities commission that delays from the damaged bridge resulted in train crews and locomotives spending hours at a time idling, an expense the financially troubled railroad could ill afford." | good | |
22 | "The massive yards had a capacity of over 15,000 railroad cars." | good |
As I commented and supported on the original FAC for my usual MOS and Prose fixes, I'm still happy with how this is. I'm happy to support the nomination on the previso that Guerillero is happy with the article and any previous issues with close paraphrasing/sourcing is no longer an issue. In terms of the article's quality, I have no additional issues. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot ( talk) 22 June 2022 [1].
This is my second nomination of this article. My first nomination last year, while garnering 3 supports, was failed over text-source integrity concerns, and my reaction to this was less than ideal. I gave it 4 months to cool off, and have since performed a major check for this issue and made numerous corrections. The article itself is about a rail yard in Connecticut, which once held the title of the largest such facility in the United States east of the Mississippi River. Today it is much smaller, but remains the largest rail yard in Connecticut. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 04:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about the bad experience at FAC earlier with this article. I had a similar experience; hope this nom goes better! AviationFreak 💬 22:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
@ AviationFreak: Sorry for the delay in getting a loose end tied up. How does the article look now? Anything else you want me to work on? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 17:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Reserving a spot. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
[..] and the NYNH&H's existing facilities and land in the area.Prior abbreviation of this railroad's name in the article was "the New Haven". Why use an acronym here?
[...] removing a long-standing bottleneck on the New Haven Railroad's system.Similar thing happening here.
[...] from cuts made elsewhere [...]Can a link be added here?
After several years of construction, the new Cedar Hill Yard opened in 1920.[16][17]and
As part of the yard's expansion, a new freight transfer station to handle less-than-car load freight was built, which opened in July 1920.[15]be merged? This would make the paragraph more immediately recognizable as the culmination of the previous; the first clause of the first highlighted sentence is also redundant.
[...] and the catenary in the yard dismantled.was dismantled.
As of 2021, this line is operated by the Providence and Worcester.Add link.
Support on prose. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 17:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Ref | Text cited | Probable ref text | Comments/Fixes |
---|---|---|---|
6 | "In 1914, the New Haven added electrical catenary to the yard as part of its electrification program; operations with electric locomotives began in October of that year." | No direct quote. This is a summary of the whole article | Nothing tying this event to 1914 or October |
25 | "Traffic was rerouted over alternate trestles until the repairs, estimated by a New Haven Railroad spokesperson to cost up to $100,000 (equivalent to $970,000 in 2020 dollars), could be completed" | No direct quote. This is a summary of the whole article | Cite 25 was also used. From the AP; the wire service should be mentioned. Integrity good |
4 | "The strike came to an end on November 23." | I am paywalled out, but things seem good | |
42a | "Penn Central was merged into Conrail in 1976, along with many other bankrupt or troubled railroads in the Northeast, making Conrail the yard's new owner beginning in April." | "Since April, ConRail [...]" | Article does not mention the conrail creation |
42c | "Conrail also rebuilt and reopened several tracks in the yard that had been out of service due to their unsafe condition, a consequence of deferred maintenance." | deferred maintenance is not mentioned | |
42d | "The railroad projected it would spend over $3 million (equivalent to $4,800,000 in 2021) on repairs between the two yards; Conrail's Northeast Region general manager told a local newspaper that "By the end of the year, 30,000 more ties will be installed in Cedar Hill and Hartford Yards and an additional 34 miles (55 km) of tracks surfaced". | Good | |
42e | "In August 1976, Cedar Hill averaged 34 TOFC loads per day, and Conrail projected this number to double upon the completion of a clearance raising project for Risley's Bridge in Berlin, Connecticut." | Good | |
8a | "The New Haven Railroad purchased approximately 500 acres (200 ha) of land in the Cedar Hill area in 1917 in order to construct a new classification yard." | Good | |
8b | "Construction began the same year." | Good | |
47 | "With the line abandoned, the key link between Cedar Hill Yard and the rest of the country was severed." | I don't see a connection to the yard here |
10% spotcheck -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Ref | Text cited | Probable ref text | Comments/Fixes |
---|---|---|---|
59 | "The yard contains a TRANSFLO bulk cargo transfer terminal which handles transloading." | Map | Map dosen't load for me in FireFox because they are loading http things on an https site and there is no way to grabbing the http version. I am going to AGF here |
36 | "The New Haven's initial decision not to replace the damaged bridge resulted in criticism; a union observer testified to the Connecticut public utilities commission that delays from the damaged bridge resulted in train crews and locomotives spending hours at a time idling, an expense the financially troubled railroad could ill afford." | good | |
22 | "The massive yards had a capacity of over 15,000 railroad cars." | good |
As I commented and supported on the original FAC for my usual MOS and Prose fixes, I'm still happy with how this is. I'm happy to support the nomination on the previso that Guerillero is happy with the article and any previous issues with close paraphrasing/sourcing is no longer an issue. In terms of the article's quality, I have no additional issues. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)