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Alia Bhatt

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Nominator(s): Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 11:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Back to the FAC grind after very many years with another Hindi film actress bio. Might be a bit rusty, but looking forward to constructive comments to get this one to its best version. Cheers! Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 11:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text
  • File:Alia_Bhatt_at_the_promo_launch_of_'Student_of_the_Year.jpg: source link is dead. Ditto File:Alia_Bhatt_2016.jpg. Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Nikkimaria: alt texts added. I've replaced the former pic with a different one that has a working source link, and have updated the sources of the latter pic. Thank you for the review! Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Aoba47

  • Is there a citation in the lead's first sentence as it is particularly controversial information or wording?
Her British citizenship leads to a lot of vandalism/edit-warring, which is why the refs & hidden note were added.
  • I'd revise "troubling circumstance" in the lead as it is pulled directly from the CNN quote in the article.
Done.
  • This part, (One of India's highest-paid actresses, Time magazine), is referring to Time as one of the highest-paid actresses.
Tweaked.
  • By "victim of drug abuse", do you mean drug addict? If so, I'd use that. The current version reads a tad sensationalized to me.
"drug addict" wouldn't technically be correct in this context, coz in the film, her character is forcefully fed drugs, so a "victim of drug abuse" seems more apt.
  • I do not know about the " titular prostitute" phrasing. I get it is more descriptive, but why not "title character"?
Changed.
  • Do you know anything further about where she was born other than just the country?
This has been a bit controversial, and no definitive information exists about it.
  • I have a clarification question based on a discussion on the talk page. That discussion claims that India does not allow for multiple citizenship. So is Bhatt no longer an Indian citizen? Would it be worthwhile to clarify that? Also, when did she get her British citizenship? Some further context may be helpful.
Well, India doesn't allow dual citizenship, and she is a British citizen by birth. Unfortunately, no other definitive information exists beyond this.
Apologies in advance for the stupid question. My knowledge about India is extremely limited. How is she a British citizen by birth if she was born in India? I get that according to the citation that she has a British passport, but as an outsider, I am unsure on this. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The Times in the UK reported that her mother is British, which is why she has a British passport.
  • I do not think it is necessary to say "has said" for the quotes. I believe you can just say "said".
Yep, removed.
There are still a few instances of this in the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This quote, ("I don't remember much of the shoot. I would go to the sets only for the food"), seems unnecessary to me.
Removed.
  • This quote, ("a washout. Not only is she inelegant in the dance numbers, but her expressions are limited; and the digital retouching of her face throughout the film is a distraction"), is rather long. I think it would be better to paraphrase it.
Tweaked.
  • I am uncertain about this part, (Bhatt was keen to play a better role). It implies in Wikipedia's voice that Student of the Year was a bad role, and I think that should be avoided for something more neutral.
Tweaked.
Tweaked.
  • I would avoid one-word quotes like ("surprise" and "stupendous") as it does not really add much to the article.
Removed.
  • This sentence is trying to convey too much information: (She played a Punjabi girl who has an affair before her wedding, in Humpty Sharma Ki Dulhania, directed by Shashank Khaitan, which was described as a tribute to Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (1995) by Johar.)
Tweaked.
  • What is meant by "accomplishments" in this sentence: (Her accomplishments in 2014 established her career.)? Critical reviews? Box office? It also seems a bit tacked-on at the end of the paragraph.
Changed.
Removed and condensed.
  • Would it be possible to find a link for "a ghetto dialect"? I am an American and I likely have a very different reading on this.
Linked and changed wording.
Tweaked the wikilinks so people can read up on the nepotism debate caused due to his death.
  • I am unsure of this sentence: (The year 2022 was key for Bhatt.) I get it is a topic sentence, but I am not sure if it is worded the best, particularly when done in Wikipedia's voice.
Tweaked.
  • Memoirs of a Geisha is about sex work to some degree, but I would not lump geishas and prostitutes together generally. I just do not really think of Memoirs of a Geisha under the header of "films about prostitution" as done in the article.
Removed.
  • Because Bhatt's personal life is so separated into its own section, this sentence came off as very abrupt: (Filming and release were delayed by a few months due to her pregnancy.)
Is there any other way you'd suggest to include this?
  • For this part, (the unplugged version), is "unplugged" referring to an acoustic performance? If so, I'd use "acoustic" instead.
Done.
  • In the "Singing and stage performances" subsection, there are a few sentences that start with "In X year". I would be mindful of that as it does make the prose less engaging and come off more as just a listing.
Tweaked.

Welcome back to the FAC process. This review goes up to the "Personal life" section. Apologies for not doing it all in one go. I hope that these comments are helpful. I will continue my review once everything has been addressed. I hope you have a good weekend! Aoba47 ( talk) 02:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

So good to have you review my work again, Aoba. Looking forward to the rest of your comments. :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I am glad that I could help. Thank you for addressing everything. I will post the rest of my review momentarily. I have left two responses above. One is a clarification question and the other is pointing out that there are still instances of "has said" in the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry about missing out on those. Should be done now. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Done.
  • This was recently added to the article: (As per the Netflix engagement report, it received nearly 110 million views, making it the second most watched film in the second half of 2023.) I wonder if there is a way to condense it. Something like (According to Netflix, Heart of Stone was the the second most watched film on the platform for the second half of 2023)?
Trimmed it further to just say "The film had strong viewership on Netflix", which I think is sufficient for her bio.
  • I think it would be worth linking trolling.
Done.
  • I would condense (for being a beneficiary of nepotism) to (for benefiting from nepotism).
Done.
  • I am not entirely sure of the relevancy or need for this part, (which journalist Malavika Sangghvi described as an extension of the dumb blonde stereotype). It is already established that people were trolling her intelligence based on this so I do not think that this specific journalist and this specific stereotype adds much beyond that.
Removed.
  • Is "clicking pictures" is correct? I am mostly seen it as "taking pictures".
Changed.
  • This is more an observation, but I am unsure about the third paragraph of the "Media image and artistry" section. It comes off more like an indiscriminate listings of lists that involve Bhatt. I would be curious if there was a way to present this information in a more engaging manner. Right now, it seems like a lot of a lot and is a bit repetitious. I am not saying you need to change it, but it is something that caught my attention.
I can understand this, although I've tried to make the text flow in the most engaging way, much like how it has been written in other FAs such as Deepika Padukone or Priyanka Chopra who also regularly feature in such lists.
Done.
  • Could you explain to me how works/websites are linked in the citations? I am not entirely sure I follow it. For instance, I do not see The Indian Express being linked.
I've gone through the refs, and have linked the first occurrence of each publication.
  • Citation 27 does two authors in the byline (Neha Sharma and Navdeep Kaur Marwah) so that should be added to the citation. Citation 99 also has an author credited in the article (Namrata Joshi), but not included in the citation. It would be probably worth double-checking through the citations to see if there are any other instances of this.
Added.
Thank you for addressing this. The authors are missing for the following citations: Citation 90 (Stutee Ghosh) and Citation 103 (Simon Abrams). Aoba47 ( talk) 20:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Citation 159 is missing a work/website parameter (in this case India Today).
Added.

This should be everything, but once all of my comments are addressed, I will read through the article a few more times to make sure I have not missed anything. I have actually seen Heart of Stone so I was honestly surprised to remember that I have seen Bhatt in a movie. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much for the detailed review, Aoba47. Do let me know if there are further improvements to be made. Also, Heart of Stone is one of her weakest films, and definitely not a good barometer to judge her abilities. Haha. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I thought Heart of Stone was just okay, but I would imagine that she would be better in a better role (and just a better movie lol). I have three quick comments on the citations below:
  • Do you think that The Live Mirror should be linked? There is nothing wrong with red links, but do you think that there is potential for an article here?
I've replaced the source.
  • Citation 16 no longer leads to the article. Citation 124 is dead.
I've replaced citation 16 with a better one. Updated the other ref, which is now # 123.
  • For Citation 15, I would clarify in the citation that it accessed through Google Books with the "via=" parameter.
Done for both the book sources.

Once these are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

All should be done now. :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 05:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you. Just wanted to point out that my above comment on Stutee Ghosh and Simon Abrams not being attributed in the citation still needs to be addressed. Other than that, the article looks good to me. Aoba47 ( talk) 06:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Oops, so sorry. Didn't see that comment. Done now. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you for addressing everything and for your patience. I support the FAC for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help with my current FAC, but I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest. Best of luck with the FAC. Aoba47 ( talk) 06:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your thorough review, Aoba! :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 07:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Drive-by comment, as this is outside my area of expertise; the lead somewhat bowdlerizes the description of Gangubai Kathiawadi; the film, and Bhatt's role in it, were pathbreaking precisely because they examined sex work, and avoiding naming it in the lead does them a disservice I think. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 19:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hi, Vanamonde93, thank you for your comment. I've added that she played a prostitute in the lead. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks. I see Aoba47 said the opposite above: if "prostitute" sounds too crass, how about "sex worker and activist"? Vanamonde93 ( talk) 15:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I guess Aoba47 didn't like the phrasing "titular prostitute" and not the word "prostitute". Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Apologies for jumping into this conversation. I did not have an issue with the word "prostitute". I had an issue with the phrase "titular prostitute" as it sounded off to me. It could just be a matter of personal preference on my part. If other editors think that "titular prostitute" would be better, I would not be opposed to it being reinstated as it is not a major point for me. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Coordinator comment

Three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Alia Bhatt

Alia Bhatt ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator(s): Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 11:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Back to the FAC grind after very many years with another Hindi film actress bio. Might be a bit rusty, but looking forward to constructive comments to get this one to its best version. Cheers! Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 11:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text
  • File:Alia_Bhatt_at_the_promo_launch_of_'Student_of_the_Year.jpg: source link is dead. Ditto File:Alia_Bhatt_2016.jpg. Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Nikkimaria: alt texts added. I've replaced the former pic with a different one that has a working source link, and have updated the sources of the latter pic. Thank you for the review! Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Aoba47

  • Is there a citation in the lead's first sentence as it is particularly controversial information or wording?
Her British citizenship leads to a lot of vandalism/edit-warring, which is why the refs & hidden note were added.
  • I'd revise "troubling circumstance" in the lead as it is pulled directly from the CNN quote in the article.
Done.
  • This part, (One of India's highest-paid actresses, Time magazine), is referring to Time as one of the highest-paid actresses.
Tweaked.
  • By "victim of drug abuse", do you mean drug addict? If so, I'd use that. The current version reads a tad sensationalized to me.
"drug addict" wouldn't technically be correct in this context, coz in the film, her character is forcefully fed drugs, so a "victim of drug abuse" seems more apt.
  • I do not know about the " titular prostitute" phrasing. I get it is more descriptive, but why not "title character"?
Changed.
  • Do you know anything further about where she was born other than just the country?
This has been a bit controversial, and no definitive information exists about it.
  • I have a clarification question based on a discussion on the talk page. That discussion claims that India does not allow for multiple citizenship. So is Bhatt no longer an Indian citizen? Would it be worthwhile to clarify that? Also, when did she get her British citizenship? Some further context may be helpful.
Well, India doesn't allow dual citizenship, and she is a British citizen by birth. Unfortunately, no other definitive information exists beyond this.
Apologies in advance for the stupid question. My knowledge about India is extremely limited. How is she a British citizen by birth if she was born in India? I get that according to the citation that she has a British passport, but as an outsider, I am unsure on this. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The Times in the UK reported that her mother is British, which is why she has a British passport.
  • I do not think it is necessary to say "has said" for the quotes. I believe you can just say "said".
Yep, removed.
There are still a few instances of this in the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • This quote, ("I don't remember much of the shoot. I would go to the sets only for the food"), seems unnecessary to me.
Removed.
  • This quote, ("a washout. Not only is she inelegant in the dance numbers, but her expressions are limited; and the digital retouching of her face throughout the film is a distraction"), is rather long. I think it would be better to paraphrase it.
Tweaked.
  • I am uncertain about this part, (Bhatt was keen to play a better role). It implies in Wikipedia's voice that Student of the Year was a bad role, and I think that should be avoided for something more neutral.
Tweaked.
Tweaked.
  • I would avoid one-word quotes like ("surprise" and "stupendous") as it does not really add much to the article.
Removed.
  • This sentence is trying to convey too much information: (She played a Punjabi girl who has an affair before her wedding, in Humpty Sharma Ki Dulhania, directed by Shashank Khaitan, which was described as a tribute to Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (1995) by Johar.)
Tweaked.
  • What is meant by "accomplishments" in this sentence: (Her accomplishments in 2014 established her career.)? Critical reviews? Box office? It also seems a bit tacked-on at the end of the paragraph.
Changed.
Removed and condensed.
  • Would it be possible to find a link for "a ghetto dialect"? I am an American and I likely have a very different reading on this.
Linked and changed wording.
Tweaked the wikilinks so people can read up on the nepotism debate caused due to his death.
  • I am unsure of this sentence: (The year 2022 was key for Bhatt.) I get it is a topic sentence, but I am not sure if it is worded the best, particularly when done in Wikipedia's voice.
Tweaked.
  • Memoirs of a Geisha is about sex work to some degree, but I would not lump geishas and prostitutes together generally. I just do not really think of Memoirs of a Geisha under the header of "films about prostitution" as done in the article.
Removed.
  • Because Bhatt's personal life is so separated into its own section, this sentence came off as very abrupt: (Filming and release were delayed by a few months due to her pregnancy.)
Is there any other way you'd suggest to include this?
  • For this part, (the unplugged version), is "unplugged" referring to an acoustic performance? If so, I'd use "acoustic" instead.
Done.
  • In the "Singing and stage performances" subsection, there are a few sentences that start with "In X year". I would be mindful of that as it does make the prose less engaging and come off more as just a listing.
Tweaked.

Welcome back to the FAC process. This review goes up to the "Personal life" section. Apologies for not doing it all in one go. I hope that these comments are helpful. I will continue my review once everything has been addressed. I hope you have a good weekend! Aoba47 ( talk) 02:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

So good to have you review my work again, Aoba. Looking forward to the rest of your comments. :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I am glad that I could help. Thank you for addressing everything. I will post the rest of my review momentarily. I have left two responses above. One is a clarification question and the other is pointing out that there are still instances of "has said" in the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry about missing out on those. Should be done now. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Done.
  • This was recently added to the article: (As per the Netflix engagement report, it received nearly 110 million views, making it the second most watched film in the second half of 2023.) I wonder if there is a way to condense it. Something like (According to Netflix, Heart of Stone was the the second most watched film on the platform for the second half of 2023)?
Trimmed it further to just say "The film had strong viewership on Netflix", which I think is sufficient for her bio.
  • I think it would be worth linking trolling.
Done.
  • I would condense (for being a beneficiary of nepotism) to (for benefiting from nepotism).
Done.
  • I am not entirely sure of the relevancy or need for this part, (which journalist Malavika Sangghvi described as an extension of the dumb blonde stereotype). It is already established that people were trolling her intelligence based on this so I do not think that this specific journalist and this specific stereotype adds much beyond that.
Removed.
  • Is "clicking pictures" is correct? I am mostly seen it as "taking pictures".
Changed.
  • This is more an observation, but I am unsure about the third paragraph of the "Media image and artistry" section. It comes off more like an indiscriminate listings of lists that involve Bhatt. I would be curious if there was a way to present this information in a more engaging manner. Right now, it seems like a lot of a lot and is a bit repetitious. I am not saying you need to change it, but it is something that caught my attention.
I can understand this, although I've tried to make the text flow in the most engaging way, much like how it has been written in other FAs such as Deepika Padukone or Priyanka Chopra who also regularly feature in such lists.
Done.
  • Could you explain to me how works/websites are linked in the citations? I am not entirely sure I follow it. For instance, I do not see The Indian Express being linked.
I've gone through the refs, and have linked the first occurrence of each publication.
  • Citation 27 does two authors in the byline (Neha Sharma and Navdeep Kaur Marwah) so that should be added to the citation. Citation 99 also has an author credited in the article (Namrata Joshi), but not included in the citation. It would be probably worth double-checking through the citations to see if there are any other instances of this.
Added.
Thank you for addressing this. The authors are missing for the following citations: Citation 90 (Stutee Ghosh) and Citation 103 (Simon Abrams). Aoba47 ( talk) 20:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Citation 159 is missing a work/website parameter (in this case India Today).
Added.

This should be everything, but once all of my comments are addressed, I will read through the article a few more times to make sure I have not missed anything. I have actually seen Heart of Stone so I was honestly surprised to remember that I have seen Bhatt in a movie. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much for the detailed review, Aoba47. Do let me know if there are further improvements to be made. Also, Heart of Stone is one of her weakest films, and definitely not a good barometer to judge her abilities. Haha. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I thought Heart of Stone was just okay, but I would imagine that she would be better in a better role (and just a better movie lol). I have three quick comments on the citations below:
  • Do you think that The Live Mirror should be linked? There is nothing wrong with red links, but do you think that there is potential for an article here?
I've replaced the source.
  • Citation 16 no longer leads to the article. Citation 124 is dead.
I've replaced citation 16 with a better one. Updated the other ref, which is now # 123.
  • For Citation 15, I would clarify in the citation that it accessed through Google Books with the "via=" parameter.
Done for both the book sources.

Once these are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

All should be done now. :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 05:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you. Just wanted to point out that my above comment on Stutee Ghosh and Simon Abrams not being attributed in the citation still needs to be addressed. Other than that, the article looks good to me. Aoba47 ( talk) 06:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Oops, so sorry. Didn't see that comment. Done now. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you for addressing everything and for your patience. I support the FAC for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help with my current FAC, but I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest. Best of luck with the FAC. Aoba47 ( talk) 06:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thank you so much for your thorough review, Aoba! :) Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 07:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Drive-by comment, as this is outside my area of expertise; the lead somewhat bowdlerizes the description of Gangubai Kathiawadi; the film, and Bhatt's role in it, were pathbreaking precisely because they examined sex work, and avoiding naming it in the lead does them a disservice I think. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 19:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hi, Vanamonde93, thank you for your comment. I've added that she played a prostitute in the lead. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks. I see Aoba47 said the opposite above: if "prostitute" sounds too crass, how about "sex worker and activist"? Vanamonde93 ( talk) 15:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I guess Aoba47 didn't like the phrasing "titular prostitute" and not the word "prostitute". Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 06:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Apologies for jumping into this conversation. I did not have an issue with the word "prostitute". I had an issue with the phrase "titular prostitute" as it sounded off to me. It could just be a matter of personal preference on my part. If other editors think that "titular prostitute" would be better, I would not be opposed to it being reinstated as it is not a major point for me. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Coordinator comment

Three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply


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