The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot ( talk) 13 August 2019 [1].
Hello everyone! The above article is about a season two episode of the American dramedy Ugly Betty. A loose adaptation of the Colombian telenovela Yo soy Betty, la fea, the show is about a young Latina woman who works at the fashion magazine MODE even though she does not fit their expectations of beauty and style. This particular episode is about the wedding of Bradford Meade and Wilhelmina Slater and Ignacio Suarez's United States citizenship ceremony. Victoria Beckham guest-stars as Wilhelmina's maid of honor who steals attention from the wedding, and her Spice Girls nickname (Posh Spice) is referenced in the title. The initial broadcast was viewed by 10.9 million viewers, and the episode was well received by critics. The scenes about Ignacio's citizenship ceremony attracted attention from academic scholars.
I would greatly appreciate any recommendations to improve the article. I have done FACs on television episode articles in the past, but I would like to continue to grow as an editor through constructive feedback. I hope that this nomination encourages other editors to work on television episode articles, and maybe even bring them through the FAC process too. The above article had a wonderful GAN review and a copy-edit from the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. I hope everyone has a wonderful day and/or night. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 ( talk) 23:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I guess that's all from me. Only proofreading remains, but I'm sure there are more experienced users to do that. -- Kailash29792 (talk) 04:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi @
Aoba47: I'll come back to the 'Plot' section later, which I think could use some tightening up. It's a peculiar quandary with FA articles: plot sections must be "comprehensive" while also limited to 500 (in most cases) words, which can result in some jarring juxtapositions, which I see here in lines such as "Betty refuses to attend Ignacio's
United States citizenship ceremony and feels guilty about lying to her boss
Daniel Meade about
Wilhelmina Slater's affair with her bodyguard Dwayne to get Ignacio a visa. Betty's sister
Hilda recommends Betty tell the truth.
" "The truth" could be more explicitly described at this point (I remember watching this episode when it was first aired, and I have a vague memory of Wilhelmina blackmailing Betty—"keep my secret and I'll help your father get his green card"). But Hilda's name is only mentioned this one time in the entire article, so removing the latter line would be no big loss. It's not a big deal, but I see a couple of other instances where things could be tightened up a bit as well. I'll try to expand tomorrow.
But otherwise, I have two minor points:
In 2008, Beckham was rumored to be returning for regular guest appearances in future episodes.[11][12]" But this didn't happen, right? Might be a good idea to conclude the suggestion. This 2016 source confirms she only ever appeared in one episode, so maybe incorporate that along with the text, "
although further guest appearances from Beckham did not materialize.", or something to that effect.
Wang wore the dress for three weeks; she said it did not wrinkle during the shooting.". But the source says "
The dress also survived the long shoot. 'I wore that dress for three weeks and it didn't wrinkle,' [Vanessa] Williams says. 'That's why Vera Wang's the best.'" So it was Williams referring to the dress she wore on set, not Wang. I'm sure someone more familar with fashion would disagree - and I readily admit there was probably some ingenuity to an elaborate wedding dress not wrinkling after being worn every day for 3 weeks - but I don't really consider that fact to be particularly noteworthy, as it stands. I'd consider removing this sentence entirely, although if some sources can be found indicating its note-worthiness, I'd be happy to back down.
Otherwise, this is FA-quality, both prose and source wise. During my review, I spot-checked at least half the sources included, and everything in the article is backed up by its citation, and I'm happy with the quality of sources. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Licenses and uses seem OK to me. ALT text is there. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
@ FAC coordinators: Apologies for the random ping, but I was wondering if I could get a status update for this? Thank you in advance! Aoba47 ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The only thing I could pick up is that you have the quote "Everyone at the wedding will be expecting skinny, beautiful Posh to show up", but there is no mention anywhere in the article that "Posh Spice" is a nickname for Beckham, so a reader unfamiliar with her might be confused by the quote and to whom exactly the first sentence of it refers. Clarifying the nickname in the article would also help explain the joke in the episode title - my understanding (being British) is that "posh" is not a commonly-used word in the US. Hope that helps! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed this article when it was a WP:GAN and any of my issues/comments were addressed with that. This is a great article and I'm more than happy to support it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
As well as making a cameo appearance, American fashion designer Vera Wang designed the wedding dress.
... appearance, was released ...– Comma shouldn't be there.
alsonominated– Should be two words.
They argued Bradford's dismissal of Betty as "some assistant" had "very quickly dispel[led] any faith in the reciprocal protections promised by the American Dream embodied by the citizenship ceremony".This sentence needs to explain Betty and Ignacio's contrasting opinions about the government and their reasoning. Looking at the source, it seems that the author is making the point that their lack of faith and faith (respectively) in the system swap during the course of this episode. Ignacio gains faith through getting citizenship, even though he did so outside of the established system, and Betty loses it because she is "reduced and marginalized" as an assistant, and gets fired unfairly in a violation of the "reciprocal protections" promised by the American Dream. This argument needs to be conveyed properly in this article, whether it's through quotes or rewriting (or a mixture). Then I think the mention of the American Dream here and in the next quote needs a bit more context/analysis/depth to it, as at the moment it's not really clear how it links to the episode's storyline or its themes.
Haven't had time to look at sources, images etc. but I see from the comments above that these have already been thoroughly checked. I'll be happy to support in regards to prose if the comments above are addressed. — Bilorv ( talk) 07:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
That's all I found. Very close to supporting. Damien Linnane ( talk) 07:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot ( talk) 13 August 2019 [1].
Hello everyone! The above article is about a season two episode of the American dramedy Ugly Betty. A loose adaptation of the Colombian telenovela Yo soy Betty, la fea, the show is about a young Latina woman who works at the fashion magazine MODE even though she does not fit their expectations of beauty and style. This particular episode is about the wedding of Bradford Meade and Wilhelmina Slater and Ignacio Suarez's United States citizenship ceremony. Victoria Beckham guest-stars as Wilhelmina's maid of honor who steals attention from the wedding, and her Spice Girls nickname (Posh Spice) is referenced in the title. The initial broadcast was viewed by 10.9 million viewers, and the episode was well received by critics. The scenes about Ignacio's citizenship ceremony attracted attention from academic scholars.
I would greatly appreciate any recommendations to improve the article. I have done FACs on television episode articles in the past, but I would like to continue to grow as an editor through constructive feedback. I hope that this nomination encourages other editors to work on television episode articles, and maybe even bring them through the FAC process too. The above article had a wonderful GAN review and a copy-edit from the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. I hope everyone has a wonderful day and/or night. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 ( talk) 23:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I guess that's all from me. Only proofreading remains, but I'm sure there are more experienced users to do that. -- Kailash29792 (talk) 04:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi @
Aoba47: I'll come back to the 'Plot' section later, which I think could use some tightening up. It's a peculiar quandary with FA articles: plot sections must be "comprehensive" while also limited to 500 (in most cases) words, which can result in some jarring juxtapositions, which I see here in lines such as "Betty refuses to attend Ignacio's
United States citizenship ceremony and feels guilty about lying to her boss
Daniel Meade about
Wilhelmina Slater's affair with her bodyguard Dwayne to get Ignacio a visa. Betty's sister
Hilda recommends Betty tell the truth.
" "The truth" could be more explicitly described at this point (I remember watching this episode when it was first aired, and I have a vague memory of Wilhelmina blackmailing Betty—"keep my secret and I'll help your father get his green card"). But Hilda's name is only mentioned this one time in the entire article, so removing the latter line would be no big loss. It's not a big deal, but I see a couple of other instances where things could be tightened up a bit as well. I'll try to expand tomorrow.
But otherwise, I have two minor points:
In 2008, Beckham was rumored to be returning for regular guest appearances in future episodes.[11][12]" But this didn't happen, right? Might be a good idea to conclude the suggestion. This 2016 source confirms she only ever appeared in one episode, so maybe incorporate that along with the text, "
although further guest appearances from Beckham did not materialize.", or something to that effect.
Wang wore the dress for three weeks; she said it did not wrinkle during the shooting.". But the source says "
The dress also survived the long shoot. 'I wore that dress for three weeks and it didn't wrinkle,' [Vanessa] Williams says. 'That's why Vera Wang's the best.'" So it was Williams referring to the dress she wore on set, not Wang. I'm sure someone more familar with fashion would disagree - and I readily admit there was probably some ingenuity to an elaborate wedding dress not wrinkling after being worn every day for 3 weeks - but I don't really consider that fact to be particularly noteworthy, as it stands. I'd consider removing this sentence entirely, although if some sources can be found indicating its note-worthiness, I'd be happy to back down.
Otherwise, this is FA-quality, both prose and source wise. During my review, I spot-checked at least half the sources included, and everything in the article is backed up by its citation, and I'm happy with the quality of sources. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 00:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Licenses and uses seem OK to me. ALT text is there. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
@ FAC coordinators: Apologies for the random ping, but I was wondering if I could get a status update for this? Thank you in advance! Aoba47 ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The only thing I could pick up is that you have the quote "Everyone at the wedding will be expecting skinny, beautiful Posh to show up", but there is no mention anywhere in the article that "Posh Spice" is a nickname for Beckham, so a reader unfamiliar with her might be confused by the quote and to whom exactly the first sentence of it refers. Clarifying the nickname in the article would also help explain the joke in the episode title - my understanding (being British) is that "posh" is not a commonly-used word in the US. Hope that helps! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed this article when it was a WP:GAN and any of my issues/comments were addressed with that. This is a great article and I'm more than happy to support it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
As well as making a cameo appearance, American fashion designer Vera Wang designed the wedding dress.
... appearance, was released ...– Comma shouldn't be there.
alsonominated– Should be two words.
They argued Bradford's dismissal of Betty as "some assistant" had "very quickly dispel[led] any faith in the reciprocal protections promised by the American Dream embodied by the citizenship ceremony".This sentence needs to explain Betty and Ignacio's contrasting opinions about the government and their reasoning. Looking at the source, it seems that the author is making the point that their lack of faith and faith (respectively) in the system swap during the course of this episode. Ignacio gains faith through getting citizenship, even though he did so outside of the established system, and Betty loses it because she is "reduced and marginalized" as an assistant, and gets fired unfairly in a violation of the "reciprocal protections" promised by the American Dream. This argument needs to be conveyed properly in this article, whether it's through quotes or rewriting (or a mixture). Then I think the mention of the American Dream here and in the next quote needs a bit more context/analysis/depth to it, as at the moment it's not really clear how it links to the episode's storyline or its themes.
Haven't had time to look at sources, images etc. but I see from the comments above that these have already been thoroughly checked. I'll be happy to support in regards to prose if the comments above are addressed. — Bilorv ( talk) 07:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
That's all I found. Very close to supporting. Damien Linnane ( talk) 07:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)