Jose, Butch, Prince William.... This match had it all (or most of it). The oldest and greatest association football cup competition in the world, 2018 edition. Worth a read. As always, I'll endeavour to address every comment as soon as I possibly can, and thanks in advance for your time and energy in reviewing.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
PeeJay created the image and is having a look for a source more suitable than the YouTube video of the game where it's shown.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
For clarity, the YouTube video mentioned is a
third-party highlights package that uses the original BBC broadcast of the match. So while this specific video isn't itself necessarily a reliable source, the footage it uses is. I'm trying to find an alternative, but considering the provenance of the footage, it should be fine. –
PeeJay 17:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments by RetiredDuke
"... and was his third full season at Manchester United without winning silverware." - Mourinho won the
Europa League with United the previous year so that can't be. What the source means is that it's the third full season in Mourinho's entire career without silverware.
RetiredDuke (
talk) 14:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC) He also only spent 2 full seasons as Manchester United's manager.
RetiredDuke (
talk) 15:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Good spot, so I've just removed "at Manchester United". As I was writing it, it struck me as odd because he barely spends more than three years anywhere.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments Support by Kosack
I can't see "world's oldest football competition" sourced anywhere in the main body, so it needs a ref in the lead.
Made two very minor fixes in addition, but I'm happy to support this. Nice work.
Kosack (
talk) 18:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)reply
indopug
Driveby comments for now: what's your source for the formation diagram? Indeed, the sources you've used seem to contradict it; thefa.com says Chelsea played 3-5-1-1 and 11v11.com lists Hazard as a midfielder (both of these seem more reasonable than Hazard playing right alongside Giroud). And surely the first sentence of the article (and of Background) can be rewritten to avoid "FA Cup" appearing thrice in quick succession?—
indopug (
talk) 16:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
If the FA website says Chelsea played 3-5-1-1, that's certainly a good reason to change the formation diagram, although since they don't have a graphical version of the team and the BBC does, I'm hesitant at this point. Do either of you have a preferred course of action? –
PeeJay 18:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm fine as it is. I believe Hazard behind Giroud would be more accurate, but not easily justifiable (for the reasons you listed).—
indopug (
talk) 07:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments Support from Hog Farm
Placeholder for now. I've got another FAC review on the docket before this one, but I should be on this one soon. I'm on quarantine, so I have way to much time on my hands. Might be claimed for the WikiCup.
Hog FarmBacon 18:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"There, they faced Southampton at Wembley, and goals from strikers Giroud and Morata saw Chelsea win 2–0" - Link striker
In the Chelsea section, you state the leagues all of their opponents other than Leicester City and Southampton, can you add the leagues for the latter two?
"Mourinho was unrepentant in defeat: " - I'm questioning the use of unrepentant here. At least in American English, unrepentant indicates that some wrongdoing has occurred, and that's not really the case here.
"Chelsea returned to Wembley to contest the 2020 FA Cup Final where they lost 2–1 to Arsenal" - Convince me this is relevant
It was the next time the club featured in a prestige final at Wembley, these are rare occasions.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Conte was sacked by Chelsea in July 2018" - Why, in particulary?
Interestingly, when he was sacked, Chelsea just released a 61-word statement thanking him for his service. I cover the fact there was speculation around his position in the Background section without making too many bold original researchy claims.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
There's not much to pick on here, at least from my non-expert eyes, although it's possibly I missed something through ignorance.
Hog FarmBacon 22:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Very consistent formatting with the refs, no issues there. The archive links are appreciated
All from reliable news sources
Not much to say here... I spot checked 6, 14/15, 24, 33, 40 and 46 – all checked out. Pass for source review.
Aza24 (
talk) 20:13, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Did another team qualify for Europe as a result of Chelsea's double qualification? --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 13:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Conte's sacking needs some kind of gloss from a RS, because it seems perverse for a cup-winning manaager to be sacked, presumably (not stated) before they'd played another game. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 14:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I missed it, it was so brief: "Speculation had surrounded Conte's position as Chelsea manager for several months. He confirmed that his future with the club would be clarified after the FA Cup Final." No explanation why and appears to be fairly banal, but wasn't. Could we add when we say he was sacked something explanatory that parallels the Mourinho sacking? --
Dweller (
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Support irrespective of the outcome of the final bit of chitchat here. --
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Jose, Butch, Prince William.... This match had it all (or most of it). The oldest and greatest association football cup competition in the world, 2018 edition. Worth a read. As always, I'll endeavour to address every comment as soon as I possibly can, and thanks in advance for your time and energy in reviewing.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
PeeJay created the image and is having a look for a source more suitable than the YouTube video of the game where it's shown.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
For clarity, the YouTube video mentioned is a
third-party highlights package that uses the original BBC broadcast of the match. So while this specific video isn't itself necessarily a reliable source, the footage it uses is. I'm trying to find an alternative, but considering the provenance of the footage, it should be fine. –
PeeJay 17:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments by RetiredDuke
"... and was his third full season at Manchester United without winning silverware." - Mourinho won the
Europa League with United the previous year so that can't be. What the source means is that it's the third full season in Mourinho's entire career without silverware.
RetiredDuke (
talk) 14:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC) He also only spent 2 full seasons as Manchester United's manager.
RetiredDuke (
talk) 15:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Good spot, so I've just removed "at Manchester United". As I was writing it, it struck me as odd because he barely spends more than three years anywhere.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments Support by Kosack
I can't see "world's oldest football competition" sourced anywhere in the main body, so it needs a ref in the lead.
Made two very minor fixes in addition, but I'm happy to support this. Nice work.
Kosack (
talk) 18:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)reply
indopug
Driveby comments for now: what's your source for the formation diagram? Indeed, the sources you've used seem to contradict it; thefa.com says Chelsea played 3-5-1-1 and 11v11.com lists Hazard as a midfielder (both of these seem more reasonable than Hazard playing right alongside Giroud). And surely the first sentence of the article (and of Background) can be rewritten to avoid "FA Cup" appearing thrice in quick succession?—
indopug (
talk) 16:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
If the FA website says Chelsea played 3-5-1-1, that's certainly a good reason to change the formation diagram, although since they don't have a graphical version of the team and the BBC does, I'm hesitant at this point. Do either of you have a preferred course of action? –
PeeJay 18:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm fine as it is. I believe Hazard behind Giroud would be more accurate, but not easily justifiable (for the reasons you listed).—
indopug (
talk) 07:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments Support from Hog Farm
Placeholder for now. I've got another FAC review on the docket before this one, but I should be on this one soon. I'm on quarantine, so I have way to much time on my hands. Might be claimed for the WikiCup.
Hog FarmBacon 18:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"There, they faced Southampton at Wembley, and goals from strikers Giroud and Morata saw Chelsea win 2–0" - Link striker
In the Chelsea section, you state the leagues all of their opponents other than Leicester City and Southampton, can you add the leagues for the latter two?
"Mourinho was unrepentant in defeat: " - I'm questioning the use of unrepentant here. At least in American English, unrepentant indicates that some wrongdoing has occurred, and that's not really the case here.
"Chelsea returned to Wembley to contest the 2020 FA Cup Final where they lost 2–1 to Arsenal" - Convince me this is relevant
It was the next time the club featured in a prestige final at Wembley, these are rare occasions.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Conte was sacked by Chelsea in July 2018" - Why, in particulary?
Interestingly, when he was sacked, Chelsea just released a 61-word statement thanking him for his service. I cover the fact there was speculation around his position in the Background section without making too many bold original researchy claims.
The Rambling Man (
Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
There's not much to pick on here, at least from my non-expert eyes, although it's possibly I missed something through ignorance.
Hog FarmBacon 22:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Very consistent formatting with the refs, no issues there. The archive links are appreciated
All from reliable news sources
Not much to say here... I spot checked 6, 14/15, 24, 33, 40 and 46 – all checked out. Pass for source review.
Aza24 (
talk) 20:13, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Did another team qualify for Europe as a result of Chelsea's double qualification? --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 13:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Conte's sacking needs some kind of gloss from a RS, because it seems perverse for a cup-winning manaager to be sacked, presumably (not stated) before they'd played another game. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 14:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I missed it, it was so brief: "Speculation had surrounded Conte's position as Chelsea manager for several months. He confirmed that his future with the club would be clarified after the FA Cup Final." No explanation why and appears to be fairly banal, but wasn't. Could we add when we say he was sacked something explanatory that parallels the Mourinho sacking? --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 15:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support irrespective of the outcome of the final bit of chitchat here. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned! 15:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Laser brain(talk) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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