The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 23:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC) [1]. reply
This nomination is a continuation of the previous one, which was closed prematurely due to my inability to respond to comments as I had been blocked for two weeks. Hopefully that will not be a problem this time. I still believe the article passes all the FA criteria, despite comments at the previous FAC discussion. I was able to respond to all of User:Brianboulton's concerns last time, although he didn't do a full review of the article, and User:EddieHugh's comments were largely based on his opinion of what constitutes "too much detail". I believe the article contains just the right amount of detail on every aspect of the subject; some might say this is too much, but everything included in the article is likely to be something that at least someone reading the article would be looking to find out. Furthermore, everything is adequately sourced, satisfying criterion 1c. – Pee Jay 17:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC) reply
I'm inclined to oppose at this stage, sorry. Brianboulton's review the first time around said "further copyediting is needed" but this broader copyediting doesn't appear to have taken place. I sampled three sections myself: pre-match, team selection and post-match. There were some prose glitches, which are fixable quickly. But there are some more endemic problems such as inaccurate representation of sources (see the Ferguson and Giggs quotes below), use of sources of dubious reliability (Daily Mail, UEFA), and possible original research (eg "This went against the predictions of some pundits"). The article is certainly a very good one and undoubtedly GA quality. But I think it is falling short of the FA bar and needs a good solid line-by-line review before it is ready. My sample comments:
I've completed a pass; I'll read through again once you've had a chance to respond. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:44, 30 April 2015 (UTC) reply
As I was mentioned earlier, I respond. I commented last time that, "There is a vast amount of trivia in this article that appears to have been included just because the information is available." I listed examples there, so repeat them here. Perhaps the nominator could comment on why the following fall within the bounds of FA criterion 4, "It stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail and uses summary style"... giving details of:
Closing comment -- I don't think we're going to resolve the objections here any time soon, so I'll be archiving this shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 23:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC) reply
The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 23:24, 30 April 2015 (UTC) [1]. reply
This nomination is a continuation of the previous one, which was closed prematurely due to my inability to respond to comments as I had been blocked for two weeks. Hopefully that will not be a problem this time. I still believe the article passes all the FA criteria, despite comments at the previous FAC discussion. I was able to respond to all of User:Brianboulton's concerns last time, although he didn't do a full review of the article, and User:EddieHugh's comments were largely based on his opinion of what constitutes "too much detail". I believe the article contains just the right amount of detail on every aspect of the subject; some might say this is too much, but everything included in the article is likely to be something that at least someone reading the article would be looking to find out. Furthermore, everything is adequately sourced, satisfying criterion 1c. – Pee Jay 17:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC) reply
I'm inclined to oppose at this stage, sorry. Brianboulton's review the first time around said "further copyediting is needed" but this broader copyediting doesn't appear to have taken place. I sampled three sections myself: pre-match, team selection and post-match. There were some prose glitches, which are fixable quickly. But there are some more endemic problems such as inaccurate representation of sources (see the Ferguson and Giggs quotes below), use of sources of dubious reliability (Daily Mail, UEFA), and possible original research (eg "This went against the predictions of some pundits"). The article is certainly a very good one and undoubtedly GA quality. But I think it is falling short of the FA bar and needs a good solid line-by-line review before it is ready. My sample comments:
I've completed a pass; I'll read through again once you've had a chance to respond. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:44, 30 April 2015 (UTC) reply
As I was mentioned earlier, I respond. I commented last time that, "There is a vast amount of trivia in this article that appears to have been included just because the information is available." I listed examples there, so repeat them here. Perhaps the nominator could comment on why the following fall within the bounds of FA criterion 4, "It stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail and uses summary style"... giving details of:
Closing comment -- I don't think we're going to resolve the objections here any time soon, so I'll be archiving this shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 23:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC) reply