The Solar System is a
gravitationally bound system consisting of the
Sun and the celestial bodies that orbit it. After the Sun, the largets objects in the Solar system are the eight planets, consiting of the four
gas and
ice giants as well as the four
terrestrial planets. Many of the planets and larger dwarf planets in the Solar System also have
moons of their own. The sun is orbited by several belts of
small Solar System bodies: the
asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, the
Kuiper belt just beyond the orbit of Neptune, and possibly the
Oort cloud in the outer reaches of the Solar System. The entire system was formed roughly 4.6 billion years ago from the remnants of the Sun's
molecular cloud, and the
hydrogen and
helium that was present in this cloud constitutes much of the Solar System's mass.
I just finished a lengthy review for Jupiter, which was the last Solar system-related article that was not FA. I think that the Wikipedia community has done a great job getting so many of these articles to featured status. --
Mover of molehills (
talk)
18:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Comments: In case this isn't clear, the
Solar System is a Former Featured Topic, and this nomination is leaving out a number of articles that were in the topic's previous incarnation. Probably those should be included in this re-nomination?
Jupiter is also itself a Former Featured Topic that should be able to be renominated now that the main article is back to GA. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I've put in the first and third articles. I don't see why
Dwarf planet should be in there because we have not included
Planet - I envisioned this category as more of a list of specific objects and entities in the Solar System, not a glossary of terms.
Mover of molehills (
talk)
15:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Perhaps because of the extensive scientific study the later objects have undergone? Notability isn't necessarily about size, although it helps.
Praemonitus (
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21:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I chose to include some of the most well-known dwarf planets - obviously, there is no way that we can include every interesting article in the Solar System within this topic. However, I'd be happy to include Haumea and/or Makemake if there is widespread consensus for it, considering that these are both featured articles.
Mover of molehills (
talk)
21:22, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Before we go for consensus, let's check the facts. None of the four are nailed on as DPs, although Ceres is getting pretty close. It was a genuine question as to where and why you are drawing the line. And I would be interested whether the scholarly consensus agrees with whatever you suggest.
Gog the Mild (
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21:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what you mean by "None of the four are nailed on as DPs" - as far as I can tell, all of them have been officially designated as such by the IAU. To be honest, it doesn't matter very much to me which ones are designated as part of this topic, considering that all of the articles we are discussing are FAs. I suppose it seems reasonable to list the five bodies officially recognized as dwarf planets (Pluto, Eris, Ceres, Makemake and Haumea) and ignore all of the rest. Does that seem like a good idea?
Mover of molehills (
talk)
23:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The last I heard, Makemake and Haumea were provisional DPs for naming purposes only. Their full DP status was undecided. It is possible that my information is not up to date. Apologies if I am either not being clear and/or am coming across as awkward, but what are the criteria for inclusion in the topic? So it can be updated if new objects meeting them are recognised (eg 10 Hygiea, 704 Interamnia, Sedna, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, or Salacia) - by whatever body or consensus you lay out in those criteria - or, possibly, de-recognised (eg if Eris turned out on closer examination not to be in hydrostatic equilibrium). Such as, if my information is still accurate, Makemake or Haumea once the IAU finally decide their status. (Assuming that you go with IAU recognition.) Thanks.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
00:27, 30 April 2022 (UTC)reply
From
what I have read, there are only 5 at the mooment that have been officially recognized by the IAU. I have now added all of them to the topic. My idea for what should be part of the "Solar system" topic was the Sun, all planets, all officially recognized dwarf planets, and the three major belts of small Solar System bodies. It may be that there will be an unwieldy number of dwarf planets recognized in coming years, so we should just leave them out entirely - I just feel uncomfortable excluding Pluto, since it's such a cultural icon.
Ok. "... and dwarf planets recognised as such by the IAU, including provisionally and/or for naming purposes" would seem to complete a sensible set. It may be worth adding this clause to the opening description.
The Solar System is a
gravitationally bound system consisting of the
Sun and the celestial bodies that orbit it. After the Sun, the largets objects in the Solar system are the eight planets, consiting of the four
gas and
ice giants as well as the four
terrestrial planets. Many of the planets and larger dwarf planets in the Solar System also have
moons of their own. The sun is orbited by several belts of
small Solar System bodies: the
asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, the
Kuiper belt just beyond the orbit of Neptune, and possibly the
Oort cloud in the outer reaches of the Solar System. The entire system was formed roughly 4.6 billion years ago from the remnants of the Sun's
molecular cloud, and the
hydrogen and
helium that was present in this cloud constitutes much of the Solar System's mass.
I just finished a lengthy review for Jupiter, which was the last Solar system-related article that was not FA. I think that the Wikipedia community has done a great job getting so many of these articles to featured status. --
Mover of molehills (
talk)
18:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Comments: In case this isn't clear, the
Solar System is a Former Featured Topic, and this nomination is leaving out a number of articles that were in the topic's previous incarnation. Probably those should be included in this re-nomination?
Jupiter is also itself a Former Featured Topic that should be able to be renominated now that the main article is back to GA. -
Bryan Rutherford (
talk)
19:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I've put in the first and third articles. I don't see why
Dwarf planet should be in there because we have not included
Planet - I envisioned this category as more of a list of specific objects and entities in the Solar System, not a glossary of terms.
Mover of molehills (
talk)
15:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Perhaps because of the extensive scientific study the later objects have undergone? Notability isn't necessarily about size, although it helps.
Praemonitus (
talk)
21:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I chose to include some of the most well-known dwarf planets - obviously, there is no way that we can include every interesting article in the Solar System within this topic. However, I'd be happy to include Haumea and/or Makemake if there is widespread consensus for it, considering that these are both featured articles.
Mover of molehills (
talk)
21:22, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Before we go for consensus, let's check the facts. None of the four are nailed on as DPs, although Ceres is getting pretty close. It was a genuine question as to where and why you are drawing the line. And I would be interested whether the scholarly consensus agrees with whatever you suggest.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
21:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what you mean by "None of the four are nailed on as DPs" - as far as I can tell, all of them have been officially designated as such by the IAU. To be honest, it doesn't matter very much to me which ones are designated as part of this topic, considering that all of the articles we are discussing are FAs. I suppose it seems reasonable to list the five bodies officially recognized as dwarf planets (Pluto, Eris, Ceres, Makemake and Haumea) and ignore all of the rest. Does that seem like a good idea?
Mover of molehills (
talk)
23:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The last I heard, Makemake and Haumea were provisional DPs for naming purposes only. Their full DP status was undecided. It is possible that my information is not up to date. Apologies if I am either not being clear and/or am coming across as awkward, but what are the criteria for inclusion in the topic? So it can be updated if new objects meeting them are recognised (eg 10 Hygiea, 704 Interamnia, Sedna, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, or Salacia) - by whatever body or consensus you lay out in those criteria - or, possibly, de-recognised (eg if Eris turned out on closer examination not to be in hydrostatic equilibrium). Such as, if my information is still accurate, Makemake or Haumea once the IAU finally decide their status. (Assuming that you go with IAU recognition.) Thanks.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
00:27, 30 April 2022 (UTC)reply
From
what I have read, there are only 5 at the mooment that have been officially recognized by the IAU. I have now added all of them to the topic. My idea for what should be part of the "Solar system" topic was the Sun, all planets, all officially recognized dwarf planets, and the three major belts of small Solar System bodies. It may be that there will be an unwieldy number of dwarf planets recognized in coming years, so we should just leave them out entirely - I just feel uncomfortable excluding Pluto, since it's such a cultural icon.
Ok. "... and dwarf planets recognised as such by the IAU, including provisionally and/or for naming purposes" would seem to complete a sensible set. It may be worth adding this clause to the opening description.