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  • Farid Alizade – Consensus is that the AFD outcome is endorsed. The article is not protected from creation and there is no bar to recreating it if the notability issues that led to the deletion can be overcome. There does not appear to be an extant draft to review. If someone wishes to obtain the deleted content in order to create a draft, they may request it at WP:REFUND, but I have not seen a request here Stifle ( talk) 09:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Farid Alizade ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

I'm pleased to make this nomination on behalf of User:90AA123, who has approached me on my talk page asking for my help with the formatting. He assures me that he is unconnected with User:Elshadiman and of course I fully accept that assurance. 90AA123 supplies a detailed rationale with many sources which I will add in a separate comment immediately below this nomination. Because I'm making this nomination on behalf of someone else, I personally am neutral.— S Marshall  T/ C 17:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Detailed rationale with sources, lightly reformatted by S Marshall

Hello! Dear S Marshall, since the admin who deleted the article earlier (Extraordinary Writ) did not respond on the discussion page, I feel compelled to ask you, please do not hesitate to address this issue.

I, as a Wikipedia user with the username "90AA123", am reaching out to you with a request. I am in need of your assistance regarding the restoration of an article with the title " Farid Alizade - Name of the deleted article" that was previously present on Wikipedia. This article is of significant importance and provides valuable information for the users. Myself and other contributors aim to restore the article by adding updated and valuable sources. Your expertise and experience in the subject matter would be highly appreciated and beneficial for our efforts. Additionally, please take into consideration the following additional valuable sources:

1. https://apnews.com/press-release/ein-presswire-newsmatics/azerbaijan-91e2be60e93329e60feef2d333f58048 | AP News link of an additional valuable source

2. https://www.guetsel.de/content/70486/2023-07-14-08-34-18-eine-einzigartige-und-aufregende-alternative-zu-den-olympischen-spielen-turan-spiele.html (guetsel.de)

3. https://medium.com/@janemarche/discover-the-rich-heritage-of-eurasian-peoples-through-the-turan-games-created-by-farid-alizade-ca7f85350ac

4. https://www.fox16.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/643894702/the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage/ FOX

5. https://www.thecanadianreporter.com/article/643894702-the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage

6. https://afvnews.ca/2023/07/10/the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage/

These sources serve as valuable references to verify the accuracy of the article's content and to enrich it with more relevant information. I kindly request you to review our appeal and consider adding the deleted article to the Wikipedia Deletion review page. We believe that a discussion there will allow us to present our case and potentially reinstate the article for the benefit of Wikipedia readers. Thank you, and best regards, Jasulan.T TT me 22:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Endorse A very difficult discussion for a number of reasons that was correctly closed. Keep !voters presented enough sources that likely show WP:GNG for the sport of alpagut, which does not have an article and is likely eligible for one, but this person associated with the sport was not significantly covered as far as I can tell. DRV is not AfD, but I checked the presented sources along with spot-checked what appeared to be the best sources in the AfD just in case we were making a mistake, and the best coverage on this person is clearly from a press release and does not contribute to WP:GNG. I know this assessment isn't what the !keep voters were hoping for, but hopefully we'll get a new Alpagut (sport) article out of this at least. SportingFlyer T· C 09:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ SportingFlyer, There are many sources that prove the ​ significance of Farid Alizade. Associated Press , guetsel, karabakhnews, AZERTAC cooperates with other notable news agencies, Turkish news and current affairs television channel, ​ A high-circulation Turkish newspaper, Azerbaijan Information Agency, Factor analysis, Azerbaijani news agency which focuses on current affairs in the Caucasus region and Central Asia., very popular Azerbaijani news portal established in 2003, Daily socio-political newspaper. Musavat, Turkish Newspaper /agazete/ Jasulan.T TT me 13:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    I do not want to have another deletion discussion. I've reviewed those sources as well and only one of them looks like it might confer notability, which is not enough. He receives lots of interviews because he is the president of an organisation, but he himself does not appear independently notable of the orgnaisation. Sorry. SportingFlyer T· C 14:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    RESTORE @ SportingFlyer, CNN Turk is not considered a reliable source? That is, in response to the above considerations - CNN Turk 2nd main source. Newsbreak can be considered as the 3rd main source. The 1st primary source is included in the above sources, according to another commentator. OKey? 5.191.117.2 ( talk) 11:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Which source was the CNN Turk source? Newsbreak does not instantly appear reliable to me, sorry. SportingFlyer T· C 13:05, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    CNN Turk - Alpagut news 5.191.126.4 ( talk) 14:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Alizade is not mentioned anywhere in that article. SportingFlyer T· C 15:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Hmmm. Alizade is the founder and developer of the World Alpagut Federation, in short, the leader. Here, it is written from Alpagut in Turkey, that is, this news is the news of a structure of WAF(World Alpagut Federation). Okey? 5.191.114.4 ( talk) 19:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    That would be an argument for creating an article about the World Alpagut Federation (and then, maybe, if it survives, recreating Farid Alizade as a redirect to it). What we need for a separate biography on its founder is reliable secondary source material that discusses him directly and in detail. Endorse. — Cryptic 23:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ Cryptic, İn the current case, it can be transferred to the draft page so that when an article about the World Alpagut Federation is created, we can integrate it as the main page. Okey? 85.132.29.163 ( talk) 05:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment – This is a difficult case for various reasons. First, as the closer noted, this was a case where the more numerous side presented empty arguments, and such cases are always difficult, and anyone who thinks that such cases are not difficult has missed a point. Second, the closer is absolutely correct in expressing concern about bludgeoning. The appellant is continuing the bludgeoning with a URL Dump. Third, it is not clear whether the appellant is saying that the closer should have kept the article because they should have read the URL dump, or because they should time-travel back to closing with the URL dump, or whether the appellant wants to relitigate the AFD, or whether the appellant wants to incorporate the references into a new draft or article. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Request – Can the article be temporarily undeleted? Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Endorse if this is an appeal of the close. I would have preferred a No Consensus, rather than an override of the more numerous empty arguments, but the appellant is making as bad a case here as they did at AFD. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Allow Recreation, subject to new AFD, because the title was never salted, or
  • Allow Review of Draft. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    It is possible that 99.99% of the creators of martial arts lived in the 1900s. Among them, 99.98% might have passed away without giving interviews, yet they still have Wikipedia pages dedicated to them. There is only one person who founded a sports club in Los Angeles and has a Wikipedia page. I believe these statements will reinforce your thoughts. This individual is the leading figure and creator of Alpagut, responsible for its development. If you accept Alpagut, you should also accept this person. I can see that you are not against restoring the article, and if you think it is advisable to move it to a draft, then you know best 5.191.111.225 ( talk) 11:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_July_31&oldid=1172320544"
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< 2023 July 30
2023 August 1 >

31 July 2023

  • Farid Alizade – Consensus is that the AFD outcome is endorsed. The article is not protected from creation and there is no bar to recreating it if the notability issues that led to the deletion can be overcome. There does not appear to be an extant draft to review. If someone wishes to obtain the deleted content in order to create a draft, they may request it at WP:REFUND, but I have not seen a request here Stifle ( talk) 09:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Farid Alizade ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

I'm pleased to make this nomination on behalf of User:90AA123, who has approached me on my talk page asking for my help with the formatting. He assures me that he is unconnected with User:Elshadiman and of course I fully accept that assurance. 90AA123 supplies a detailed rationale with many sources which I will add in a separate comment immediately below this nomination. Because I'm making this nomination on behalf of someone else, I personally am neutral.— S Marshall  T/ C 17:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Detailed rationale with sources, lightly reformatted by S Marshall

Hello! Dear S Marshall, since the admin who deleted the article earlier (Extraordinary Writ) did not respond on the discussion page, I feel compelled to ask you, please do not hesitate to address this issue.

I, as a Wikipedia user with the username "90AA123", am reaching out to you with a request. I am in need of your assistance regarding the restoration of an article with the title " Farid Alizade - Name of the deleted article" that was previously present on Wikipedia. This article is of significant importance and provides valuable information for the users. Myself and other contributors aim to restore the article by adding updated and valuable sources. Your expertise and experience in the subject matter would be highly appreciated and beneficial for our efforts. Additionally, please take into consideration the following additional valuable sources:

1. https://apnews.com/press-release/ein-presswire-newsmatics/azerbaijan-91e2be60e93329e60feef2d333f58048 | AP News link of an additional valuable source

2. https://www.guetsel.de/content/70486/2023-07-14-08-34-18-eine-einzigartige-und-aufregende-alternative-zu-den-olympischen-spielen-turan-spiele.html (guetsel.de)

3. https://medium.com/@janemarche/discover-the-rich-heritage-of-eurasian-peoples-through-the-turan-games-created-by-farid-alizade-ca7f85350ac

4. https://www.fox16.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/643894702/the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage/ FOX

5. https://www.thecanadianreporter.com/article/643894702-the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage

6. https://afvnews.ca/2023/07/10/the-revolution-of-alpagut-martial-arts-on-the-international-stage/

These sources serve as valuable references to verify the accuracy of the article's content and to enrich it with more relevant information. I kindly request you to review our appeal and consider adding the deleted article to the Wikipedia Deletion review page. We believe that a discussion there will allow us to present our case and potentially reinstate the article for the benefit of Wikipedia readers. Thank you, and best regards, Jasulan.T TT me 22:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Endorse A very difficult discussion for a number of reasons that was correctly closed. Keep !voters presented enough sources that likely show WP:GNG for the sport of alpagut, which does not have an article and is likely eligible for one, but this person associated with the sport was not significantly covered as far as I can tell. DRV is not AfD, but I checked the presented sources along with spot-checked what appeared to be the best sources in the AfD just in case we were making a mistake, and the best coverage on this person is clearly from a press release and does not contribute to WP:GNG. I know this assessment isn't what the !keep voters were hoping for, but hopefully we'll get a new Alpagut (sport) article out of this at least. SportingFlyer T· C 09:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ SportingFlyer, There are many sources that prove the ​ significance of Farid Alizade. Associated Press , guetsel, karabakhnews, AZERTAC cooperates with other notable news agencies, Turkish news and current affairs television channel, ​ A high-circulation Turkish newspaper, Azerbaijan Information Agency, Factor analysis, Azerbaijani news agency which focuses on current affairs in the Caucasus region and Central Asia., very popular Azerbaijani news portal established in 2003, Daily socio-political newspaper. Musavat, Turkish Newspaper /agazete/ Jasulan.T TT me 13:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    I do not want to have another deletion discussion. I've reviewed those sources as well and only one of them looks like it might confer notability, which is not enough. He receives lots of interviews because he is the president of an organisation, but he himself does not appear independently notable of the orgnaisation. Sorry. SportingFlyer T· C 14:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    RESTORE @ SportingFlyer, CNN Turk is not considered a reliable source? That is, in response to the above considerations - CNN Turk 2nd main source. Newsbreak can be considered as the 3rd main source. The 1st primary source is included in the above sources, according to another commentator. OKey? 5.191.117.2 ( talk) 11:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Which source was the CNN Turk source? Newsbreak does not instantly appear reliable to me, sorry. SportingFlyer T· C 13:05, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    CNN Turk - Alpagut news 5.191.126.4 ( talk) 14:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Alizade is not mentioned anywhere in that article. SportingFlyer T· C 15:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    Hmmm. Alizade is the founder and developer of the World Alpagut Federation, in short, the leader. Here, it is written from Alpagut in Turkey, that is, this news is the news of a structure of WAF(World Alpagut Federation). Okey? 5.191.114.4 ( talk) 19:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    That would be an argument for creating an article about the World Alpagut Federation (and then, maybe, if it survives, recreating Farid Alizade as a redirect to it). What we need for a separate biography on its founder is reliable secondary source material that discusses him directly and in detail. Endorse. — Cryptic 23:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ Cryptic, İn the current case, it can be transferred to the draft page so that when an article about the World Alpagut Federation is created, we can integrate it as the main page. Okey? 85.132.29.163 ( talk) 05:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment – This is a difficult case for various reasons. First, as the closer noted, this was a case where the more numerous side presented empty arguments, and such cases are always difficult, and anyone who thinks that such cases are not difficult has missed a point. Second, the closer is absolutely correct in expressing concern about bludgeoning. The appellant is continuing the bludgeoning with a URL Dump. Third, it is not clear whether the appellant is saying that the closer should have kept the article because they should have read the URL dump, or because they should time-travel back to closing with the URL dump, or whether the appellant wants to relitigate the AFD, or whether the appellant wants to incorporate the references into a new draft or article. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Request – Can the article be temporarily undeleted? Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Endorse if this is an appeal of the close. I would have preferred a No Consensus, rather than an override of the more numerous empty arguments, but the appellant is making as bad a case here as they did at AFD. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Allow Recreation, subject to new AFD, because the title was never salted, or
  • Allow Review of Draft. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    It is possible that 99.99% of the creators of martial arts lived in the 1900s. Among them, 99.98% might have passed away without giving interviews, yet they still have Wikipedia pages dedicated to them. There is only one person who founded a sports club in Los Angeles and has a Wikipedia page. I believe these statements will reinforce your thoughts. This individual is the leading figure and creator of Alpagut, responsible for its development. If you accept Alpagut, you should also accept this person. I can see that you are not against restoring the article, and if you think it is advisable to move it to a draft, then you know best 5.191.111.225 ( talk) 11:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_July_31&oldid=1172320544"

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