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30 August 2022

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Amar Jit Singh Sandhu ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

Action not required. several edits were made to the article. Article required. Dvj1992 ( talk) 14:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Overturn. It is very significant article with relation to Indian history. The article has a significant secondary source, where a chapter was dedicated to the Person. also several sources including primary sources were mention it is appaling that the article was deleted. Several edits were made. Ten refrences were made. Article should be restored. Dvj1992 ( talk) 15:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    It's implied when you start a DRV that you think the close should be overturned. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Support closer. Clear consensus. Onel5969 TT me 17:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse Every participant except the DRV nominator supported deletion. WP:ITSIMPORTANT and arguments that should have been raised in the AfD are not convincing at DRV, where your job is to argue that the closure itself did not reflect the consensus the discussion had come to. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse close, but undelete draft. It is hard to read the AFD discussion as anything other than delete; there is no indication the discussion or its close were faulty. It seems the article creator(?) feels strongly the subject "deserves" an article, but the sourcing was not up to snuff. That all said, I am sensitive that EN:WP notability assessments can lead to a bias against subjects in developing economies. At the same time Indian sources not infrequently suffer from editorial independence issues that non-Indians find hard to parse as well. If the creator/appellant is passionate about this article, no harm in letting them try working further on a draft, and for sourcing to be calmly evaluated in the less under-the-gun atmosphere of draft-for-promotion rather than article-for-deletion. It seems such a draft existed, at least one AFD participant suggested not touching it, but it was nuked after the article AFD close. Martinp ( talk) 02:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse, discussion could not have been closed any other way. No problem restoring draft. Stifle ( talk) 08:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse closure as deletion of article. Closure was correct. Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Overturn deletion of draft. The AFD did not say to delete the draft (and I said not to delete it in the AFD). Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - When both a draft and an article exist, and the article is deleted at AFD, should the draft normally be deleted, or kept for possible improvement? Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
    • Since it's not immediately obvious, and to save other admins the irritation of tracking it down, the draft was misplaced at Draft:AJS. The author's second-last revision to that page was marked "Requesting deletion" (as can be seen by nonadmins in the move log from its previous title). All that was left at Draft:Amar Jit Singh Sandhu was the redirect created from another page move. — Cryptic 04:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
      There was a objection by someone that both an article and a draft existed so I requested that the draft be deleted. Now the draft is gone and the Article has been deleted as well. All data has been lost. Dvj1992 ( talk) 06:33, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Overturn restore article as the it contained information about an important personality of Indian Armed forces. The subject of article had taken part in several engagements with the enemy. An entire chapter was dedicated to him in a book recently published and he finds mention in Indian air force documentries as well. All this information was atteched and cited in the article. Several edits were made by multiple users as the objections were raised in the Talk page. All comments were replied to. Some of the editors dont seem to understand that Indian follows the british system of awards were the bar is set extremely high. only one menber of the Indian airforce has received the highest War time gallentry award till date. It is very rare to see a Indian airforce officer decorated twice in two years. Dvj1992 ( talkcontribs) 06:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
You can't keep "voting". Your nomination statement is your vote. Feel free to comment but please stop voting "Overturn". Your opinion is very clear. Liz Read! Talk! 04:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

30 August 2022

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Amar Jit Singh Sandhu ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

Action not required. several edits were made to the article. Article required. Dvj1992 ( talk) 14:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Overturn. It is very significant article with relation to Indian history. The article has a significant secondary source, where a chapter was dedicated to the Person. also several sources including primary sources were mention it is appaling that the article was deleted. Several edits were made. Ten refrences were made. Article should be restored. Dvj1992 ( talk) 15:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    It's implied when you start a DRV that you think the close should be overturned. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Support closer. Clear consensus. Onel5969 TT me 17:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse Every participant except the DRV nominator supported deletion. WP:ITSIMPORTANT and arguments that should have been raised in the AfD are not convincing at DRV, where your job is to argue that the closure itself did not reflect the consensus the discussion had come to. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse close, but undelete draft. It is hard to read the AFD discussion as anything other than delete; there is no indication the discussion or its close were faulty. It seems the article creator(?) feels strongly the subject "deserves" an article, but the sourcing was not up to snuff. That all said, I am sensitive that EN:WP notability assessments can lead to a bias against subjects in developing economies. At the same time Indian sources not infrequently suffer from editorial independence issues that non-Indians find hard to parse as well. If the creator/appellant is passionate about this article, no harm in letting them try working further on a draft, and for sourcing to be calmly evaluated in the less under-the-gun atmosphere of draft-for-promotion rather than article-for-deletion. It seems such a draft existed, at least one AFD participant suggested not touching it, but it was nuked after the article AFD close. Martinp ( talk) 02:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse, discussion could not have been closed any other way. No problem restoring draft. Stifle ( talk) 08:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse closure as deletion of article. Closure was correct. Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Overturn deletion of draft. The AFD did not say to delete the draft (and I said not to delete it in the AFD). Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - When both a draft and an article exist, and the article is deleted at AFD, should the draft normally be deleted, or kept for possible improvement? Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
    • Since it's not immediately obvious, and to save other admins the irritation of tracking it down, the draft was misplaced at Draft:AJS. The author's second-last revision to that page was marked "Requesting deletion" (as can be seen by nonadmins in the move log from its previous title). All that was left at Draft:Amar Jit Singh Sandhu was the redirect created from another page move. — Cryptic 04:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
      There was a objection by someone that both an article and a draft existed so I requested that the draft be deleted. Now the draft is gone and the Article has been deleted as well. All data has been lost. Dvj1992 ( talk) 06:33, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Overturn restore article as the it contained information about an important personality of Indian Armed forces. The subject of article had taken part in several engagements with the enemy. An entire chapter was dedicated to him in a book recently published and he finds mention in Indian air force documentries as well. All this information was atteched and cited in the article. Several edits were made by multiple users as the objections were raised in the Talk page. All comments were replied to. Some of the editors dont seem to understand that Indian follows the british system of awards were the bar is set extremely high. only one menber of the Indian airforce has received the highest War time gallentry award till date. It is very rare to see a Indian airforce officer decorated twice in two years. Dvj1992 ( talkcontribs) 06:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
You can't keep "voting". Your nomination statement is your vote. Feel free to comment but please stop voting "Overturn". Your opinion is very clear. Liz Read! Talk! 04:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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