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This not the orignal 2018 version's consensus of ths page I want overturned but the recent speedy deletion of the new version by User:TomStar81. So the story was I originally see this page for what was at the time a misused redirect to one of the actress' roles in school of rock. I examined the previous AFD dicussion from 2018 featured above and I believe I could make and article for this actress as she is notable enough to get an article as almost every actor has their on wikipedia page nowadays. So I nominate the redirect on RFD and I'm encouraged to create an article and I quote from User:Mazca and User:Shhhnotsoloud ", either to encourage article creation or to avoid giving the impression that we have useful coverage on something we don't. On a brief look I'm not completely sure there's enough good coverage about her to write an article that demonstrates notability, but that possibility should certainly be encouraged." –from Mazca ,"to encourage article creation, and because Search gives better results." –from Shhhnotsoloud, source: 1 The redirect is close on November 10 and on the day of I start to get to work doing my research, I'm up hours finding reliable sources on this actress and I find two .edu pages and two .org pages about the actress and pathology career which I mention in her personal life. Then not even a day later the page got tagged with not one but two, nomination tags. One by User:CuteMeow who later reverted the tag after I talked it over with them. 2 and then a couple of hours later User:Noq places another speedy del tag on the page claiming it was under AFD G4 when it is not identical to its previous version from 2018. Section G4 specifically says "This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion." this isn't even the case and the deletion discussion is not recent being a 2 year old deletion discussion. I then attempted to contest the deletion but it was just ignored and deleted by User:TomStar81 in WP: IGNORINGATD-esque fashion. 3 This actress also doesn't fail WP:NACTOR becasue she was a secondary character in Are We There Yet and appeared in 130 episodes in Blue's Clue's as a main character in the sidetable drawer. This speedy deletion was unjust and want this page restored. I won't mind finding more reliable citations for this page if needed. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 14:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
@ User:TomStar81, Your rationale behind speedy deleting the article is not justified. In the policy WP:NACTOR You have to pass one of those guidelines to have a page which she passes guideline one,"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Allen has had significant roles in movies and televison shows which I've already explained several times. Your talking about this actress like she was in the background of a obscure movie from the 50's. Just because said actress has not won a award does not mean her page should be just speedy deleted like that just because it was deleted per a non-recent dicussion. If that was the case why don't other child actors including her co-star Philip Daniel Bolden ,who has no citations or has not won any awards has an article? If your criteria was to apply to all Entertainer articles across wikipedia there would be way less article becasue a lot of Actors fit under those narrow standards. If these rules apply to this article they must apply to all the actor articles on wikipedia And this why I should have been able to see the previous version so I would know what to differentiate from it's 2018 counterpart. And since Your'e sticking with that A7 speedy deletion policy so much it says on the Credible claim of significance which is a extenstion of the A7,A9 and A11 criterion it says on the Pitfalls to avoid on number 3 "Therefore, a claim of significance need not pass any of the general or specialized notability guidelines, such as general notability guideline, music notability, or biography notability guideline." This means your criteria is wrong for it becasue she would not need to have won awards to have an article even though I mention on the article that she had been nominated three times for Young artist awards. Source 9. And on point 6 in the credible claim of signifcance it also says "Any statement which plausibly indicates that additional research (possibly offline, possibly in specialized sources) has a chance of demonstrating notability is a claim of significance." And I did hours on top of hours of research so I could have these sources. And this actress is notable for her role as "Lindsay" in Are We There yet and it's sequel and as "Alica" in School of Rock. It may be harder to find sources on the former actress becasue of her straying away from the limelight but just at least give me or another editor a second chance to create a well written sourced article that is not Identical to their previous incarnations. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 20:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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I believe the decision failed to give proper weight to arguments based on policy rather than arguments based on politics ( WP:IDONTLIKEIT because he's a Republican in a deep blue state). As a major party candidate for governor of a state, this subject received substantial coverage of their biography, so a quality article could easily be written about them. Please check Google News to see how many sources are available. Jehochman Talk 13:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Endorse we have an inconsistent and maddening approach to what gets an article and why but NPOL is well established and has very wide community support. Coverage in the context of an election is kind of ONEEVENT and INHERITED from the election and the consensus is that you need to win for the election coverage to count towards individual notability. Is that right? Dunno, but its what the community has decided and AFD or DRV are not places to pick and choose unless the policy or sng is manifestly not supported by wider community consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 10:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
This not the orignal 2018 version's consensus of ths page I want overturned but the recent speedy deletion of the new version by User:TomStar81. So the story was I originally see this page for what was at the time a misused redirect to one of the actress' roles in school of rock. I examined the previous AFD dicussion from 2018 featured above and I believe I could make and article for this actress as she is notable enough to get an article as almost every actor has their on wikipedia page nowadays. So I nominate the redirect on RFD and I'm encouraged to create an article and I quote from User:Mazca and User:Shhhnotsoloud ", either to encourage article creation or to avoid giving the impression that we have useful coverage on something we don't. On a brief look I'm not completely sure there's enough good coverage about her to write an article that demonstrates notability, but that possibility should certainly be encouraged." –from Mazca ,"to encourage article creation, and because Search gives better results." –from Shhhnotsoloud, source: 1 The redirect is close on November 10 and on the day of I start to get to work doing my research, I'm up hours finding reliable sources on this actress and I find two .edu pages and two .org pages about the actress and pathology career which I mention in her personal life. Then not even a day later the page got tagged with not one but two, nomination tags. One by User:CuteMeow who later reverted the tag after I talked it over with them. 2 and then a couple of hours later User:Noq places another speedy del tag on the page claiming it was under AFD G4 when it is not identical to its previous version from 2018. Section G4 specifically says "This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion." this isn't even the case and the deletion discussion is not recent being a 2 year old deletion discussion. I then attempted to contest the deletion but it was just ignored and deleted by User:TomStar81 in WP: IGNORINGATD-esque fashion. 3 This actress also doesn't fail WP:NACTOR becasue she was a secondary character in Are We There Yet and appeared in 130 episodes in Blue's Clue's as a main character in the sidetable drawer. This speedy deletion was unjust and want this page restored. I won't mind finding more reliable citations for this page if needed. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 14:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
@ User:TomStar81, Your rationale behind speedy deleting the article is not justified. In the policy WP:NACTOR You have to pass one of those guidelines to have a page which she passes guideline one,"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Allen has had significant roles in movies and televison shows which I've already explained several times. Your talking about this actress like she was in the background of a obscure movie from the 50's. Just because said actress has not won a award does not mean her page should be just speedy deleted like that just because it was deleted per a non-recent dicussion. If that was the case why don't other child actors including her co-star Philip Daniel Bolden ,who has no citations or has not won any awards has an article? If your criteria was to apply to all Entertainer articles across wikipedia there would be way less article becasue a lot of Actors fit under those narrow standards. If these rules apply to this article they must apply to all the actor articles on wikipedia And this why I should have been able to see the previous version so I would know what to differentiate from it's 2018 counterpart. And since Your'e sticking with that A7 speedy deletion policy so much it says on the Credible claim of significance which is a extenstion of the A7,A9 and A11 criterion it says on the Pitfalls to avoid on number 3 "Therefore, a claim of significance need not pass any of the general or specialized notability guidelines, such as general notability guideline, music notability, or biography notability guideline." This means your criteria is wrong for it becasue she would not need to have won awards to have an article even though I mention on the article that she had been nominated three times for Young artist awards. Source 9. And on point 6 in the credible claim of signifcance it also says "Any statement which plausibly indicates that additional research (possibly offline, possibly in specialized sources) has a chance of demonstrating notability is a claim of significance." And I did hours on top of hours of research so I could have these sources. And this actress is notable for her role as "Lindsay" in Are We There yet and it's sequel and as "Alica" in School of Rock. It may be harder to find sources on the former actress becasue of her straying away from the limelight but just at least give me or another editor a second chance to create a well written sourced article that is not Identical to their previous incarnations. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 20:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I believe the decision failed to give proper weight to arguments based on policy rather than arguments based on politics ( WP:IDONTLIKEIT because he's a Republican in a deep blue state). As a major party candidate for governor of a state, this subject received substantial coverage of their biography, so a quality article could easily be written about them. Please check Google News to see how many sources are available. Jehochman Talk 13:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Endorse we have an inconsistent and maddening approach to what gets an article and why but NPOL is well established and has very wide community support. Coverage in the context of an election is kind of ONEEVENT and INHERITED from the election and the consensus is that you need to win for the election coverage to count towards individual notability. Is that right? Dunno, but its what the community has decided and AFD or DRV are not places to pick and choose unless the policy or sng is manifestly not supported by wider community consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 10:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |