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Hi, Satheesh Menon’s wiki page was deleted without proper review. If I need to create new, I have to rewrite all of the content with pictures as I don’t have a backup. Below is the url I saved.

/info/en/?search=Satheesh_Menon_(Actor)

If you want articles of Satheesh in the internet, please find below or reach out to the Malayalam movie industry for confirmation. Innocent who was the President of AMMA (Association of Malayalam Movie Artists) might be a good starting points as he was in that role for over 20 Years when Satheesh was very active. Please remember he works in Malayalam movie industry and not Hollywood to figure in Time Magazine.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Satheesh-Menon

https://www.nettv4u.com/celebrity/malayalam/movie-actor/satheesh-menon

https://www.nowrunning.com/celebrity/70127/satheesh-menon/index.htm

https://in.bookmyshow.com/person/satheesh-menon/IEIN018603

https://in.bookmyshow.com/person/satheesh-menon/IEIN018603/filmography

There is an interview and news article in Asianet news - leading channel in Kerala which I can’t paste here as it in YouTube.

https://www.topmovierankings.com/malayalam-actor/satheesh-menon

It’s a shame that we are not allowed to paste YouTube links. His interview has come on Asianet News (leading channel in Kerala) and is posted on their YouTube channel. Search for Satheesh Menon Asianet news in YouTube. That’s a significant one you are ignoring!!

Another link from gulf news though Satheesh Menon is spelt Satish Menon

https://gulfnews.com/uae/satish-c-menon---local-stage-artiste-1.436229 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:1D08:2CAD:2D07:8F82 ( talk) 21:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment While that discussion effectively serves as a soft delete, there's an issue that none of those articles demonstrate notability for the purposes of WP:GNG, and the Gulf News article appears to be about a different person. SportingFlyer T· C 00:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • The deleted article, which is a horrid mess that I won't be tempundeleting, also had [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. — Cryptic 00:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Thank you for providing those. None of those sources demonstrate notability either. The only good news for the subject is he does seem to have been in enough films that I would assume he is notable if you brought in say Malayalam sources into the discussion, but I can't find English-language significant coverage easily available online. SportingFlyer T· C 02:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
• A large chunk of the deleted version is a copyvio from the Gulf News article [8]. It's distinctly possible that some of the remaining text is copyvio as well. The deleted article is awful and shouldn't be restored to mainspace. It also appears to have been written by the subject or someone close to them. Hut 8.5 07:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Indeed. The first revision is lifted directly from imdb, complete with identical miscapitalizations. — Cryptic 15:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

The gulf news article is indeed his and you may contact then directly to clarify. Do you have Malayalam sources to bring into discussion? On the comment of the subject creating this article or someone close to him- “prove it” or don’t raise allegations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:1D08:2CAD:2D07:8F82 ( talk) 07:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

If the subject owns the copyright to the Gulf News article then hard proof of that would be needed before we could use the content in Wikipedia. Don't bother though, it's completely unsuitable and it would need to be rewritten anyway. You're the one arguing this thing should be restored, if anyone should be providing sources it's you. However if the Gulf News article was written by the subject then it doesn't demonstrate notability.

The article was created by Menonsatish5 ( talk · contribs), who clearly has some connection to the subject. It also had several images added by another editor which would almost certainly have been obtained from the subject or taken by someone personally close to him, e.g. a picture of him on holiday with his wife. Hut 8.5 12:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

• Overturn There's surely no consensus to delete, when there's no participation other than User:Johnpacklambert who is already has an AFD-based topic ban, due to questions about competence, and who seems to fire out "Delete" votes very quickly with no chance to properly evaluate the subjects. Isn't this effectively a Prod, that should be restored on request? Nfitz ( talk) 07:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
• Endorse- legitimate copyvio concerns shouldn't be overruled by WP:IDONTLIKEJPL. No strong objection regarding writing an entirely new article from scratch *without* all the Ctrl-C Ctrl-V. Reyk _YO! 07:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
• This deletion happened over three years ago. Why is this only being raised now? Stifle ( talk) 08:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Apologies wasn’t aware of a timeframe to revert. This was overlooked amidst many other priorities, hence the delay. I assumed it’s all going fine without any issues until I realise the page is no more available. Does that have to do with anything on the improper deletion? Let me try and get some media attention on this by sending the story to leading diaries. Might help to establish if he is notable or not as well :) I will list only facts from this whole thing including the responses for sure and no “allegations” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:1D08:2CAD:2D07:8F82 ( talk) 10:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

• Endorse due to the copyvio concerns. At the least, the article should be rewritten in their own words to avoid another deletion, assuming the article can stand alone on notability grounds. -- MuZemike 16:26, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

If the copyright violations (which are no longer visible, and weren't expressly concerned in the AFD) were that bad, then it should have been a G12 speedy delete. Otherwise the lack of participation should have lead to a relist, and without a consensus should be eligble for WP:REFUND. Ah, I missed that this was from 2017 ... somehow I thought it was 3 months old, not 3 years. Nfitz ( talk) 17:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

The article's not being deleted per G12 doesn't negate the copyvio concerns, in particular when discovered after the fact. -- MuZemike 17:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Hello, what copyright violation are we talking about? May I know? Or are you discussing among yourselves in a language you guys understand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:99B4:8E9C:F16A:4F71 ( talk) 20:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Apparently the deleted text that most people can't see contains a copyright violation. I've been assuming good faith, though really, it's an alleged copyright violation. On one hand, if this discussion is going to be about content of the article that wasn't discussed in the AFD, then it should be restored for the duration of the discussion. On the other hand ... copyright violation. Is it acceptable to restore the page, and blank it, so the contents can be reviewed in the history? Nfitz ( talk) 21:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Third paragraph of WP:DCV says that copyvio-containing revisions in the page history should be reversion deleted, which strongly suggests restoring a copyvio for our inspection is a bad idea. Reyk _YO! 10:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

You'll be hard pressed to find an admin who will restore copyright violations. Some of the text in the article is likely copyvio-free but I don't think it's worth the effort of sorting it out for a piece of badly written self promotion. Hut 8.5 12:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Ok, can you point me to a location where the quality of article is listed? I can then compare and see how bad it is written. Secondly, as I said before rather then raising allegation of copyright violation, either you point out the sections or delete those sections and make the remaining bits live. If you can’t make that effort, make the whole thing live again rather than raising false allegations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:61AB:BEE7:4EC2:317D ( talk) 13:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

And what is that copyright violation again? If I am supposed to know it?

Phew! At last I found a sensible person in this community :-) thanks mate for being sensible and pragmatic. If there was indeed copyright information, then please blank them and it’s an opportunity to correct them. But in terms of notable or not, if the links and local channel videos in YouTube (that’s where all of the channels upload past videos of the news articles), I suggested to reach out to ex- President of AMMA - Shri Innocent (Association of Malayalam Movie Artists) who reigned that role for 20 years during the period Satheesh Menon was very active. Shri Innocent was also a member of parliament in the previous Indian parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:99B4:8E9C:F16A:4F71 ( talk) 21:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment - Although we can't see the article, it seems multiple uninvolved admins have attested to substantial copyright violations, and at minimum appear to support blowing it up. Of course, recreation of the article isn't prohibited, and if lack of pictures is your main concern you could try politely asking an admin for a copy of the pictures. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 14:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Nevermind, I leave it...it’s a nexus!! My efforts from now on will be to bring this experience to people via social media. This is wiki for you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2993:2500:2935:BD3C:94A9:DB2A ( talk) 16:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply

• Endorse deletion based on the apparent motivation of the lister to "bring this experience to people". That's not what Wikipedia is for. Stifle ( talk) 10:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Hang on User:Stifle - weren't they just (in poor English) paraphrasing the Wikimedia Foundation mission statement of " ... collecting and developing educational content and to disseminate it effectively and globally"? Nfitz ( talk) 02:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply