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I'm writing because I think these articles were deleted unfairly, due to fact that the league the National Professional Soccer League isn't listed as a fully or non-fully professional league at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues making it's status unclear. So when I posted evidence to support that the league was fully professional at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues all the users who voted to delete the articles failed to challenge or even discuss the evidence presented. There only point was that it didn't appear in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, which is only a aide to help to determine which leagues are generally to be regarded as notable. I think to be fair and honest the articles discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/O'Neil Brown should be restored until the status of the NPSL be determined whether it was a pro or semi-pro league. Thank you for your time. - Shotgun pete ( talk) 1:56, 02 June 2016 (UTC)

• Endorse - editor has started discussion as noted above but no conclusion has been reached. The long term stance with WP:NFOOTBALL is that where consensus has not been reached that a given league is fully professional it is considered not to be by default and players from it who are not senior internationals must satisfy GNG. There is no evidence any of the players in this AfD do so there is no need for any further action. Fenix down ( talk) 07:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Hi Fenix down. I may have missed this, but would you be so kind and show me where at WP:NFOOTBALL does it state that when a consensus has not been reached that a given league is fully professional it is considered not to be by default. Thanks Shotgun pete ( talk) 12:54, 03 June 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Hi Pete, it's simple logic. WP:FPL is a list of leagues where consensus has been reached that the sources provided indicate full professionalism. Where a league is absent it is considered non fully-pro by default for the purpose of this subject specific guideline until such consensus is reached. WP:FPL is incomplete by default but where leagues are absent players must satisfy GNG or be full senior international players. Discussion such as the one you have started is always welcome and may lead to the addition of further competitions. However until that point for the competitions concerned here there is no consensus that they are fully pro and therefore you must rely on GNG. You should also note as has been mentioned below that deletion review is not the correct place for such a discussion, WT:FPL is. Fenix down ( talk) 07:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC) reply
• Endorse. Deletion review is a venue to resolve failures to follow deletion process correctly. It is not a de novo appeal, that is to say it is not a place to advance new arguments (nor repeat old ones) that could have been made at the AFD. Stifle ( talk) 09:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply
• Endorse -- the way to go about this is to continue the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues and if necessary follow the additional procedures of WP:DR with respect to the classification of the league. DGG ( talk ) 16:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Hi DGG. Thanks for the advice I really appreciate that your trying to find a solution to the problem of the ignored status of the league. I'm glad to see your fair and honest in your response in trying to help me out. Thanks ( talk) 1:00, 03 June 2016 (UTC)
• Endorse for now. This can be revisited later based on the outcome of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Lankiveil ^{( speak to me)} 13:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC). reply