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Hello editors I have spoke to De728631 the admin that deleted my page tried to reason with him it's hopeless so I thought I try here and explain my case. I told him he should have not deleted my account http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_D_(Kuwaiti_rapper) it is a recreation of a page that now fulfills the music notability guidelines I have valid references that allow my page to stay on Wikipedia it was not a copy/pasted version of the deleted one people spend a lot of time putting it together 3 years back and forth my page has been deleted and I've seen with my own eyes people with 80% less notable articles that never been deleted. I really do not understand I have newspaper articles written about me http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/182707/t/Kuwaiti-rapper-promotes-positive-message/Default.aspx VIA Arab Times furthermore a collaboration with Young Noble a group member of Outlawz a group that 2pac himself formed. Performances on military bases like Camp Arifjan appearances on News TV Channels such as Al Watan a performance with DJ Smallz featured on Kuwait's best blogs and music portals presently I'm Kuwait's most credible Hip Hop artist to date with aspirations of bringing world wide acclaim to Hip Hop in the Middle East and I started by creating my crew KGR {Kuwait Got Rhymes}. I have been making music since 1999 and stayed relevant by producing quality music time and again. I would like to inform you Kuwait has a population of only 1 million people we are a small country so if you go and check in my YouTube page I have a total over 1 million views that is like the whole country listening to my music. I've seen articles way less sources then mine which are still not deleted for ages and had poor unverifiable content that still operate on Wikipedia so how come mine is removed? Especially when when people have been trying over 3 years getting the article they wrote about me to be accepted when it has enough notable content and all of them with references it shouldn't be constantly deleted. NOTE: the people that wrote the article are not using Wikipedia to promote me you can google "Big D Kuwaiti Rapper" you'll see I already have enough promotion that is not the goal. It is just about having a article of Kuwait's most credible hip hop artist why is that so hard accept? So please reconsider I'm notable enough to be on Wikipedia it has been 3 years the article people wrote about me gets deleted and I would highly value if you accepted it this time. I wish you can reconsider. I would be very appreciative if you did I really hope to have it back. I await your responses. Regards. -- 196.209.237.41 ( talk) 08:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Encourage userfication, help this guy sort out a single account to use, encourage him to do some editing on related subjects, for credence. Come back here with an improved draft. Note, that with a COI, you should not be editing an article on yourself directly. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 00:44, 2 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review. This was deleted as a G4 recreation. For comparison, the original article deleted has also been temporarily restored, at Big D Kuwait. The AfD that deleted it was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big D Kuwait DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 2 January 2014 (UTC) reply
• wp:NUKEANDPAVE The article was deleted with good cause the first time and the speedy deletion for recreating almost exactly the same page was correct. Arab Times is one newspaper article - a second or proof that you actually charted in Kuwait (if I remember wp:BAND accurately) will be enough to show notability. At that point a page will be merited. A fresh page, not one looking almost exactly like the old one - and this time a page that looks like a Wikipedia page rather than one that reads like a PR piece. Neonchameleon ( talk)
  • The Arab Times article may not be neutral and reliable. Big D wrote on my talk page: "I had someone wrote a full article about VIA Arab Times". His English may not be perfect and I'm not a native speaker either but I understand this like Big D contracted someone to write an article about him in the AT which he then used for referencing Wikipedia. And that's not how reliable sources and independent coverage for the sake of notability work. De728631 ( talk) 23:44, 2 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, it can work that way. If a subject has received insufficient coverage, it is not unreasonable order for someone associated with the subject to write something to be published in a reliable source or ask someone to do or, for that matter, pay someone to do so. We can then discuss whether the publication is truly independent, or whether it is purely based on OR, but if the editor of a reliable newspaper thinks something is worth publishing, we normally accept their judgment, no matter who suggested it to them. That's the basic principle of the GN: ewe goby what is published elsewhere. . We are helpless against that sort of PR, to the extent that the material published is genuine and judged important by the RS and the RS is indeed reliable. The subject was rather naïve to admit this, but this situation is not unique. Obviously if we know it, a considerable degree of suspicion is indicated, but if we depend on published work, we depend on published work. DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Delete The article had mostly random links to create the appearance of being well-sourced, when it wasn't actually. For example, how does a link to http://awtarstudio.com/, prove that he recorded his music there? Especially considering he is not even listed on their client list. The 25 citations are filled with broken links, primary sources, blogs and original research. Arab Times is the only potential reliable source. I do not believe he meant that the article was paid for, but that he persuaded the editor that the story was worth writing, however it is difficult to tell. But even assuming it is independent, it is not enough to sustain the article. 12:43, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• Dear Editors, I would kindly like to note I did not pay anybody in Arab Times or ask them to write me a article, what I meant was Arab Times have messaged me privately for a interview which I never responded to when my article first was deleted I read the Notability guidelines and found out I would benefit the people who are trying to get my article to get accepted if I responded to their interview, so I replied to the Arab Times request and had it done and we did the interview. It is very difficult to get a article if you are not recognized. but it is not the only reliable source. Kuwait has a total population of 3.25 million if you go to http://www.youtube.com/user/bigdforever1/about you will see a line where it states total views 1,009,422 hits on my channel. That is a reliable source for the rule that states (Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.) This here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psRff2VbqCY is my live performance on Al-Watan television show. That is another reliable source (Has had significant roles in television shows) That is one of the most viewed channels in Kuwait you can see at the top of the video it had Al-Watan logo. Another reliable source is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCW9WWMdpE a live stage performance at Camp Arifjan the biggest American military base in Kuwait. That is the same stage Robin Williams preformed in they usually bring well-known rap artists like 50 Cent Ja Rule Twista Chamillionaire Tech N9ne and much more I was lucky to be asked to preform on that stage and 500 copies of my album was given out that night, That is another reliable source which is stage performances they organized a Tour for us called The Kuwait Underground, You can see the poster here http://bigdforever.com/tours/4575082541 and they asked for me and my group to preform our movement is entitled Kuwait Got Rhymes. Furthermore this is a song I did with Young Noble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On36aG9EsRc a group member of the Outlawz a group that 2pac formed. Young Noble had collaborated with Tupac in a song called Lost Souls. That is another reliable source which is collaborating with notable musicians. I ranked number one in Kuwait's first rap battle http://kuwait-music.com/contests-competitions/rap-battles/2013/02/battle-2-big-d-vs-jayjay and http://kuwait-music.com/battle7 that is another reliable source which claims I won or placed in a major music competition. The Awtar studio has burned down 4 years ago in a major fire crisis. It is also non operational anymore. But I guarantee all my sources that people have wrote are the truth. I have not placed a big rank in music charts because in Kuwait we do not have music charts for hip hop but my last album got 12,028 views 1,105 streams 4,809 downloads and 40 star ratings on datpiff, http://www.datpiff.com/Big-D-Divine-Genesis-mixtape.461232.html I have been asked to appear on a breakfast show on 99.7 radio Kuwait but I go to work in the morning so I could not attend. The list goes on and on and I have a upcoming surprise collaboration hopefully in the near future with a big name in the hip hop industry the notability will also grow. I do not want to use Wikipedia to promote myself but I want to explain that I have been making music since 1999 and my mission is to let people make a article about me because with no strings attached Big D is Kuwait's most credible Hip Hop artist to date. Therefore I have not just one reliable source but many of them and people have been trying to write a article about me for 3 years now and it always gets deleted, it is not fair when people with less sources get accepted. I truly wish the editors would accept my article there is no strings attached the biography written in my article and the sources are legit. I really hope to get the editors decision to review my acceptance and restore the article. I would be highly appreciative. Best Regards, Big D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.214.32.215 ( talk) 23:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Big D - You apparently used two different user name (two different IPs) in this DRV. If you pick one user account and use that (e.g., request Big D Kuwait be unblocked), people may be more willing to help you out. Most of the sources you note above are not Wikipedia reliable sources (see WP:RS) or independent of Big D. As for independent, reliable source coverage, This seems a good start. However, the Big D topic needs to receive more coverage to meet WP:GNG. There's not a whole lot of press coverage on Kuwaiti rappers. This refers to a Kuwaiti rapper, "Army of One" and this refers to Kuwaiti rapper Kobo. You do have an interesting life and, to get more coverage, you might try contacting alternative weekly newspapers, such as Chicago Reader, LA Weekly, Metro Times, New York Press, San Francisco Bay Guardian, and The Village Voice, and let them know about your life and that you are available for a story about your life/music. -- Jreferee ( talk) 13:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Endorse pretty clearly self-promotion/advertising. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC) reply

I disagree I rarely care if I had 1 person know me or a billion people that did. It won't make a difference to me I care about the music and I'm passionate about producing more and more quality music that's all what matters really to me, therefore it is clear my focus is not on advertising that never even crosses my mind neither does promotion. The article was made by the people who wrote it as a brief summary about who I am and how I musically became respected for my achievements which are by building a strong hip hop movement in Kuwait a place where hip hop is barely accepted by the Muslim society and to tell people what I've done in my musical history as a artist and how I gained a reputation as Kuwait's number one and most credible Hip Hop artist in a country where rap and music in general are highly discriminated against, Kuwaitis use to despise any musician attempting to make western music or any sort of music to be honest therefore after all the obstacles we faced and how far we have come I strongly believe it would be fair enough to have my article restored. Presently it's different, it's a new generation then how it was when we started in 1999 people in Kuwait and Worldwide are interested in knowing about hip hop in Kuwait especially Kuwaitis are starting to slowly accept rap and if they need to know who is making hip hop music in Kuwait they will have the answer through Wikipedia that's what Wikipedia is for when people have a question they will get a answer, What if someone googled Hip Hop in Kuwait? There is nothing on Wikipedia if this article is kindly restored then they will have something to read about and it will be the truth. Some people that made the article spoke to me and actually were shocked when no one even attempted to make a Wikipedia category entitled "Kuwaiti Rapper". The article is not for advertising or promotion I do not care if anybody reads it, but with my music career having a article about my accomplishments musically and having it on Wikipedia for the 11 years I dedicated myself towards bringing worldwide acclaim for hip hop in the Middle East and Kuwait a small article about me on Wikipedia is what I deserve and what I would appreciate having. The article is notable well sourced interesting legit and should be restored not deleted there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I have enough references and sources therefore it shouldn't be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.214.32.215 ( talk) 22:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC) reply