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Negative article should be corrected, not deleted 189.61.28.233 ( talk) 00:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply

• comment I do not consider this an A10. It is not an attack page: it describes what crimes he was convicted for, but he certainly was convicted for them. It is not negative unsourced material; everything is sourced to major publications or to others mentioned in that article but not yet formally cited, including the NYT In fact, it's about the opposite of an A10-; it is currently redirected to the article on Speedway bombings, but the Speedway bombings article is very much more negative about him. Indeed, section 3 of that article deals with speculations about his having committed another crime with which he has never been charged. Nor does the section in the Speedway article on the trial refer to the challenge to the convictions based on the police use of hypnosis. Nor does it deal with the support he has received. Nor does it deal with his activities after release from prison. The question is whether there should be one or two articles, and I remain undecided. If the redirect stands, the existing article must be balanced. DGG ( talk ) 02:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Comment what do we hope to achieve here beyond the previous DRV? -- 62.254.139.60 ( talk) 06:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Speedy close. Nothing has changed since the previous DRV. T. Canens ( talk) 13:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Given the recent controversies about Kimberlin, maybe the page should be re-created but protected as a compromise against it becoming an attack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.196.91.249 ( talk) 15:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply

  That's the outcome of the previous DRV.-- 62.254.139.60 ( talk) 19:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply

• I'm confused...exactly what is being appealed here?-- Fyre2387 ^{( talk • contribs)} 19:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply

Perhaps the nomination is asking for permission for moving Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brett Kimberlin to main space. Note also User_talk:Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry#Brett_Kimberlin and the very active editing of Speedway bombings. [1] Thincat ( talk) 21:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC) reply

• The subject of the page has a book length biography by a major publisher, Citizen K: The deeply weird American journey of Brett Kimberlin. This alone confers significant notability and offers a lot to work off of. If it is an attack page in current/deleted form, that's why we edit. Overturn and restore. Thargor Orlando ( talk) 01:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Close The draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brett Kimberlin has recently been moved to main space as allowed by the previous DRV but despite a negative view [2] at AFC. A complete re-write then took place. So, I think nothing is required of this DRV and anyone can submit an AFD (where I would vote keep). Thincat ( talk) 09:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Close FWIW, I did the rewrite because I was tired of the partisan fighting. Thus, this isn't the article that received the negative AfC, at least not when I was done with it, and this deletion review should be closed. But it's obvious that there will continue to be POV changes to the article that will need to be removed, because this person is such a lightning rod. -- AyaK ( talk) 13:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Close as moot. Rewritten article is better. 71.212.251.217 ( talk) 15:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC) reply
• Keep The Speedway Bombings are a newsworthy domestic terrorism event, and Mr. Kimberlin was convicted in connection with the bombings. There's no reason for Wikipedia to censor this information. Biccat ( talk) 17:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC) reply