19 February 2012
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| The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
There was an incomplete debate prior to the deletion which follows: Current debate: My problem with the deletion is that those who want it deleted, in their zeal to be found correct, haven't adequately completed the debate prior to the decision. I've made very valid rebuttals above to each and every proposed reason for deletion without adequate further debate concerning those rebuttals. For example, the most persistent complaints: 1) That he's not notable. I agree, his life on its own is not very notable. The article is not at all about his life. It is about the strange circumstances surrounding his conception and the minor portions of his life which shed light upon his ancestry. For that reason it is plainly entitled The Ancestry of John of Sawbridgeworth. Therefore, whether or not John of Sawbridgeworth was a notable person in his own right is irrelevant. The manner of, and the circumstances surrounding his conception and early childhood, ARE very notable. Obviously notoriety is a matter of opinion. I would like someone to give me the definition of notoriety and explain point by point how this article does not comply. 2) That it's original research. This is absolutely false according to the Wikipedia definition of original research. It should be fairly evident by the 60+ historical references cited that this is all existing history. The historical facts have merely been presented in a new format. I would like this point addressed as well, which also has not been done in the previously abbreviated "debate". I won't repeat here all the other irrelevant complaints as they're all plainly outlined above, along with my rebuttals, which also weren't addressed. I'll close by saying that the amount of attention this article has drawn almost seems absurd. The bottom line is that it displays valid facts on a notable topic and should be presented to the researching public in order that they have the opportunity to draw their own conclusions without the censoring by overzealous Wikipedia staff members. 186.99.150.194 ( talk) 12:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, I didn't realize that my new argument (yes this is Pablocombiano) would be completely ignored. The whole point of this review is to have a complete debate, which didn't occur in the first round. Why don't you address the rebuttals, rather than simply reaffirm your original statements? I have pointed to the Wikipedia guidelines which state that it is not original research, for example. This smells like a farce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablocombiano ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
19 February 2012
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| The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
There was an incomplete debate prior to the deletion which follows: Current debate: My problem with the deletion is that those who want it deleted, in their zeal to be found correct, haven't adequately completed the debate prior to the decision. I've made very valid rebuttals above to each and every proposed reason for deletion without adequate further debate concerning those rebuttals. For example, the most persistent complaints: 1) That he's not notable. I agree, his life on its own is not very notable. The article is not at all about his life. It is about the strange circumstances surrounding his conception and the minor portions of his life which shed light upon his ancestry. For that reason it is plainly entitled The Ancestry of John of Sawbridgeworth. Therefore, whether or not John of Sawbridgeworth was a notable person in his own right is irrelevant. The manner of, and the circumstances surrounding his conception and early childhood, ARE very notable. Obviously notoriety is a matter of opinion. I would like someone to give me the definition of notoriety and explain point by point how this article does not comply. 2) That it's original research. This is absolutely false according to the Wikipedia definition of original research. It should be fairly evident by the 60+ historical references cited that this is all existing history. The historical facts have merely been presented in a new format. I would like this point addressed as well, which also has not been done in the previously abbreviated "debate". I won't repeat here all the other irrelevant complaints as they're all plainly outlined above, along with my rebuttals, which also weren't addressed. I'll close by saying that the amount of attention this article has drawn almost seems absurd. The bottom line is that it displays valid facts on a notable topic and should be presented to the researching public in order that they have the opportunity to draw their own conclusions without the censoring by overzealous Wikipedia staff members. 186.99.150.194 ( talk) 12:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, I didn't realize that my new argument (yes this is Pablocombiano) would be completely ignored. The whole point of this review is to have a complete debate, which didn't occur in the first round. Why don't you address the rebuttals, rather than simply reaffirm your original statements? I have pointed to the Wikipedia guidelines which state that it is not original research, for example. This smells like a farce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablocombiano ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |