Instinct (magazine) ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

Instinct Magazine has generally been the #1 gay mens magazine. This article was speedy-deleted TODAY after a PROD was uncontested. This is little more than Wikilawyering or misusing the system. The reason for deletion was that Instinct was a non-notable, defunct magazine. Neither is true.

15:29, 16 September 2010 JamesBWatson (talk | contribs) deleted "Instinct (magazine)" ‎ (Expired PROD, concern was: non-notable, apparently dead magazine)

Someone had apparently vandalized the page, claiming that it was a "dead" magazine. I can find no source to confirm that, and it is still being sold. Not only that, but how could a magazine in existence for 13 years, reaching #1 in a genre (gay mens magazines), be "not notable"? Even if the magazine were defunct, that's no reason for deletion...do we delete biographies of persons when they die? Of course not. This is an encyclopedia.

Instinct Magazine: Amazon.com: Magazines Instinct is America's #1 gay men's magazine. Instinct is fun, lite and .... Each issue of Instinct Magazine lets readers know that being gay is ok, ... www.amazon.com › Magazines › Gay & Lesbian › Gay Men - Cached - Similar

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Instinct Magazine "Instinct Magazine - America's #1 Gay Men's Magazine. A clever mix of Cosmo and Maxim, Instinct is funny, sexy, and smart, and is a new kind of gay magazine ... www.amazon.com/Instinct-Magazine/product-reviews/B00006KIJJ - Cached

Gay Magazines Instinct Magazine is America's #1 Gay Men's magazine. Each issue brings you fashion, entertainment, health and lifestyle information from a unique ... www.allyoucanread.com/gay-magazines/ - Cached - Similar

I don't feel like re-creating the page from scratch. I would like the prior version restored. It needs some work/expansion, but it would be better to restore this to the Sept 7 2010 version cached on Google. Ryoung122 20:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

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I am suspicious about this zine being extant. My browser is warning me not to visit the mag's website. While not conclusive, reviews on Amazon seem to be dated. I wonder if Amazon has new issues, or used copies for sale? I suspect the mag is out of business and the url taken over by spammers/hackers. The "#1 Gay Men's magazine" claim looks like promotional copy. IF consideration is being given to restoration, the mag's url should be blacklisted. The cached copy has no refs, was properly tagged, deletion was in policy. Lionel ( talk) 20:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Nancy Botwin ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

I request temporary review of article "Nancy Botwin", a character of the TV show Weeds on Showtime. Nancy is the leading protagonist on the show. Her page contained significant information on the character's backstory and her relationships to other characters on the show that was not reincorperated into the Weeds mainpage. Also, the page was deleted before I could comment in the deletion discussion. I do not even know who deleted it.

I ask that the source of the article emailed to me to review to improve the article for reposting in the future.

• The article hasn't been deleted, instead the article was redirected. The history ( here) shows what has happened. The rationale for making the redirect was that it is original research sourced to primary sources. i.e. It's what someone has watched the episodes and decided the key points, meanings etc. were and written as an article. Not what independant reliable sources have said. Since User:Active Banana did the redirecting I suggest the best course of action is to pop over to their talk page and discuss it with them. -- 82.7.40.7 ( talk) 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

  • The article had no third party sources, save for a blog entry. It failed WP:N and so was redirected. This is a character who may potentially have the sources out there somewhere and if they are provided and the WP:OR removed, I would not object to a properly sourced stand alone article. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 19:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

I point out that for the portion of it that is purely descriptive of the plot, primary sources -- e.g. the episode itself, and in fact this is the preferred source, rather than taking such description from a review or article. But there seems to be some analysis also, and this must have secondary sources. In principle, anyone can simply revert the redirect and restore it, after which the question of whether it should be redirected needs to be discussed, but a stable solution is much more likely if sources are found -- for example, for the award. DGG ( talk ) 00:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC) reply

• Speedy close, article was redirected and not deleted so DRV has no jurisdiction. Stifle ( talk) 10:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Celia Hodes ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

I request temporary review of article "Celia Hodes", a character of the TV show Weeds on Showtime. Hodes is the leading antagonist on the show. Her page contained significant information on the character's backstory and her relationships to other characters on the show that was not reincorperated into the Weeds mainpage. Also, the page was deleted before I could comment in the deletion discussion. I do not even know who deleted it. Unlike the entry for Nancy Botwin, the entry for Celia Hodes needed additional information and to be reorganized.

I ask that the source of the article emailed to me to review to improve the article for reposting in the future.

• Same as above, same user did the redirecting... -- 82.7.40.7 ( talk) 19:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply
  • The article had been tagged since 2008 as having no sources. Per WP:N I redirected to the series. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 19:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply
• Speedy close, article was redirected and not deleted so DRV has no jurisdiction. Stifle ( talk) 10:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC) reply