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11 February 2010

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Joy to the World, Our Teacher's Dead ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

I did not even create that page. It was there for a long time, and I just added to it. Also, I was not banned when I edited it, and that was the only account I had. The instructions said to place the unblock thing on my talk page, but it didn't work. Devildevil1 ( talk) 21:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.
Ambarish Srivastava ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

References (reliable source) about Awards and other things including necessary newspaper cuttings

The above link is although a blog still it consists photographs of original award, award certificate, and pics of original news paper cuttings related to this award (coverage through print media). Unfortunately perhaps it was not visited by you being a blog but i request you please visit it and enlarge all related pics two times, i hope that you will be satisfied to visit it, you can also download all related pics for the record. Or please show me any email address so that these all certificates and coverage through print media can be sent to you. I have visited above link which is related to article ambarish srivastava, i have seen all references also after two times enlarging, i found there that all sources are reliable which i read in newspapers previously, it appears this article was deleted unfortunately. so it is requested here that it should be restored after reviewing above link. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 08:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural listing. Found this on this page's talk page, so fixing the formatting and location issues and listing here for discussion. No opinion at the moment. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 09:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • For those of us that don't read Hindi it would be extremely useful if someone who does could briefly summarise the nature of the sources provided and the context of the mentions, but there looks like lots of solid coverage here. Sources do not need to be in English... Perhaps something for wikiproject India to look at? Spartaz Humbug! 12:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse deletion the AfD nom said they did search in both English and Hindi for reliable sources and couldn't find anything. Article was standard non-notable self-promo stuff. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Sorry! it appears that some one has edited my previous request without his signature while i was busy to create this summery so that edited work should be deleted so i am deleting that above edited material.

Here is a summery of reliable sources so it is requested here that please review it. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

India Gandhi Priydarshini Award confer to Ambarish Srivastava.

Award Cirtificate of Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award confer to Ambarish Srivastava.

Approval letter of Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award.

Letter with Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award.

Award coverage thorough “Danik Jagran” daily newspaper dated Dec. 07 , 2004 on page no.-4.

Award Coverage through “Rashtreey Sahara” daily newspaper dated Dec. 03, 2007 on page no. -2.

Award coverage through “Aaj” daily newspaper dated Dec. 03 2007 on page no.-10 which was also confer to “Mother Teresa” and other prestigious people of world.

Award coverage through “Hindustan” daily newspaper on dated December 04, 2007 on page no.-13. “Abhiyantran Shree” Honor.

Certificate of “Abhiyantran Shree”. Honor

Coverage of above honor through “Hindustan” daily newspaper dated Dec. 11, 2007 on page no.-5.

“Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor.

Certificate of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Voice of Lucknow” daily news paper dated Feb, 02, 2009 on page 13.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Amar Ujala” daily newspaper dated Feb 02, 2009 on page no.- III.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Daily News Activist” daily newspaper dated Feb. 02, 2009 on page no.-11.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Amar Ujala” daily newspaper dated Dec. 15, 2008 on front page of My City of Amar Ujala which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Voice of Lucknow” daily newspaper dated Dec. 16, 2008 on page no.-14 which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Danik Jagaran” daily newspaper dated Jan. 04, 2009 on front page of Jagran City of Daink Jagran. in a special report on it which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of “Ex. servicemans” (Poorva Sanik ) through “Amar Ujala” daily news paper dated Jan. 01, 2009 on front page of ‘My City’ of ‘Amar Ujala’ which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those Ex. Service mans.

Coverage of “honer of “Ex. Service mans” (Poorva Sanik ) through “Hindustan” daily news paper dated Jan. 03, 2009 on page 9 which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those Ex. Service mans

Coverage of a “honer of “Teachers and Poets” through “Dainik jagran” daily news paper dated Jan. 19, 2009 on front page of Jagran city of “Danik jagran”, which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others.

Coverage of Flag hoisting Ceremony on ‘Republic Day’ of India by Ambarish Srivastava, President, of ‘Indian Institute of Building Designers Association’

Directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam”

Name of Ambarish Srivastava added in directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” on page 18 , line 1 to 8.

Coverage about “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” through “Rashtreey Sahara” daily news paper on dated Jan. 07 2010 on page 8. Ambarish Srivastava has been participated in this seminar from Sitapur.

Coverage about ‘Seminar on concrete road projects, by ‘Confederation of Indian Industry’under the ‘Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion, Government of India. Ambarish Srivastava has actively participated in it with about two dozen architects of whole India and two hundred chief engineers of different government departments. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment by AfD nominator I nominated the article after searching for sources both in English and Hindi. However, subsequently the article creator came to me with these offline sources that had been scanned, but the article was deleted prior to my being able to look at them. I haven't looked through all of them yet, but they appear to be credible reproductions. But point to be noted here is that these sources are mostly the city supplement ( Sitapur supplement) to regional newspapers (published in Lucknow). Neither the Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award (not the Indira Gandhi Prize) nor the awarding org have an article here and my searches for that particular award show that there's coverage in the context of recipients only (s/he also won this award among others kinda coverage) and not about the award itself. The coverage in the city supplements is primarily related to this award, and a couple of other local ones. In addition he appears to have presided over some events for senior citizens. It's my opinion that the awards don't really confer notability and the subject doesn't pass WP:AUTHOR (the article was about him as a poet), but if we consider the local coverage as sufficient, WP:GNG is a possibility. I'm not sure which of the alternatives of endorse deletion or return to AfD is better at this point. — Spaceman Spiff 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I have search the website of "All India National Unity Conference" who confer the "Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award". As per this website Some of the eminent personalities who have received “Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award” are Field Marshel Gen. Cariappa, Ritu Kumar (Fashion Designer), Sallu Jindal (Women Entrepreneur), Ambssador of Tanzania, Botswana and Belgium , Deepak Nayyar (Vice Chancellor, Delhi University), Manpreet Brar, Rita Bahuguna Joshi (President, All India Mahilla Congress), B.S Sail (Commissioner of Police, Karnataka), G Nizamuddin (Member of Parliament), Jayaprada (Member of Parliament and Filmstar), Shamshad Husain (Artist), beside others. As per above mentioned newspaper cuttings Ambarish Srivastava got fractured in his both hands in a road accident at December 2007, so he could not attend that award Conference and he got this award at his home through post office Sitapur. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

"All India National Unity Conference" who who confer the "Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award". Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

As a poet the name of Ambarish Srivastava is also includeded directory of 'Rashtreey kavi sangam' Delhi India as per references which are shown as bellow. which proves that he is a notable poet. ! Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Name of Ambarish Srivastava added in directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” on page 18 , line 1 to 8. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

A link is also shown here about Ambarish Srivastava (As a writer) Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Ambarish Srivastava as a writer Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • I'm not completely clear on this, but am I right in summarising the above discucsion thus:
  • The article about Ambarish Srivastava, a poet who writes in Hindi, was nominated at AfD by SpacemanSpiff because it was an unreferenced biography of a living person ( WP:BLP), and that there was apparently no coverage of the subject in reliable sources.
  • The article was deleted following the low participation AfD during which nobody advanced any arguments for keeping the article.
  • After the article was deleted on 8 February, user:Seemavibhaji, the author of the article, forwarded to SpacemanSpiff scans of a number of offline sources that they (Seemavibhaji) assert are reliable sources that include sufficient coverage to show the subject is notable.
  • Between receiving the scans and this DRV being opened SpacemanSpiff has looked at some, but not all (due to time constraints), of the scans provided.
  • During the DRV Seemavibhaji has provided a large number of links to sources, some, all or none of which are the ones sent to SpacemanSpiff.
  • SpacemanSpiff's assessment of the sources they been able to look at is that they are not sufficient to meet the specific notability guidelines applicable to poets ( WP:AUTHOR), but that it is unclear whether they would be sufficient to meet the general notability guidelines.
If this is correct, then I would encourage Seemavibhaji to write a userspace or incubator draft based on these sources, which can be moved to mainspace when it is ready (without prejudice to a future afd at editorial discretion). In any case the AfD closure was completely correct, but userfication (or incubation) of the deleted content should be done on request. To summarise therefore: endorse deletion but encourage writing of draft article based on newly provided sources. Thryduulf ( talk) 20:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I have found some other useful reliable sources about Ambarish Srivastava which are mentioned bellow. I feel that there are sufficient reliable sources about this article so this article should be restored! Seemavibhaji ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Poems of Ambarish Srivastava at 'Anubhuti' of UAE

Website of Ambarish Srivastava

Ambarish Srivastava in list of notable poets at sl no.-41

Ambarish Srivastava

Introduction of Ambarish Srivastava on sahityashilpi

Ambarish srivastava on Rankar

Ambarish Srivastava at kavita section of Swargvibha where 21 poems of Ambarish Srivastava are published Seemavibhaji ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Thanks Mr. Cunard to encourage me. I had already made a request before about 24 hours of the deletion of article Ambarish Srivastava during AFD process that the article Ambarish Srivastava should not be deleted, i had provided the reliable source on 08-Feb. 2010. After about one hour when i provided that source i have visited it again, i found there that the article was deleted yet. it appears that the reliable source which i have provided was not inspected or considered properly during AFD, by which cause, i was discouraged. Now there are many reliable sources so please restore the Article Ambarish Srivastava. Spjayswal67 ( talk) 04:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

11 February 2010

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.
Joy to the World, Our Teacher's Dead ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

I did not even create that page. It was there for a long time, and I just added to it. Also, I was not banned when I edited it, and that was the only account I had. The instructions said to place the unblock thing on my talk page, but it didn't work. Devildevil1 ( talk) 21:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.
Ambarish Srivastava ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

References (reliable source) about Awards and other things including necessary newspaper cuttings

The above link is although a blog still it consists photographs of original award, award certificate, and pics of original news paper cuttings related to this award (coverage through print media). Unfortunately perhaps it was not visited by you being a blog but i request you please visit it and enlarge all related pics two times, i hope that you will be satisfied to visit it, you can also download all related pics for the record. Or please show me any email address so that these all certificates and coverage through print media can be sent to you. I have visited above link which is related to article ambarish srivastava, i have seen all references also after two times enlarging, i found there that all sources are reliable which i read in newspapers previously, it appears this article was deleted unfortunately. so it is requested here that it should be restored after reviewing above link. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 08:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural listing. Found this on this page's talk page, so fixing the formatting and location issues and listing here for discussion. No opinion at the moment. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 09:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • For those of us that don't read Hindi it would be extremely useful if someone who does could briefly summarise the nature of the sources provided and the context of the mentions, but there looks like lots of solid coverage here. Sources do not need to be in English... Perhaps something for wikiproject India to look at? Spartaz Humbug! 12:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse deletion the AfD nom said they did search in both English and Hindi for reliable sources and couldn't find anything. Article was standard non-notable self-promo stuff. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Sorry! it appears that some one has edited my previous request without his signature while i was busy to create this summery so that edited work should be deleted so i am deleting that above edited material.

Here is a summery of reliable sources so it is requested here that please review it. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

India Gandhi Priydarshini Award confer to Ambarish Srivastava.

Award Cirtificate of Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award confer to Ambarish Srivastava.

Approval letter of Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award.

Letter with Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award.

Award coverage thorough “Danik Jagran” daily newspaper dated Dec. 07 , 2004 on page no.-4.

Award Coverage through “Rashtreey Sahara” daily newspaper dated Dec. 03, 2007 on page no. -2.

Award coverage through “Aaj” daily newspaper dated Dec. 03 2007 on page no.-10 which was also confer to “Mother Teresa” and other prestigious people of world.

Award coverage through “Hindustan” daily newspaper on dated December 04, 2007 on page no.-13. “Abhiyantran Shree” Honor.

Certificate of “Abhiyantran Shree”. Honor

Coverage of above honor through “Hindustan” daily newspaper dated Dec. 11, 2007 on page no.-5.

“Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor.

Certificate of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Voice of Lucknow” daily news paper dated Feb, 02, 2009 on page 13.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Amar Ujala” daily newspaper dated Feb 02, 2009 on page no.- III.

Coverage of “Sarasvatee Ratn” Honor through “Daily News Activist” daily newspaper dated Feb. 02, 2009 on page no.-11.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Amar Ujala” daily newspaper dated Dec. 15, 2008 on front page of My City of Amar Ujala which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Voice of Lucknow” daily newspaper dated Dec. 16, 2008 on page no.-14 which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of senior persons” (above 60 years old ) through “Danik Jagaran” daily newspaper dated Jan. 04, 2009 on front page of Jagran City of Daink Jagran. in a special report on it which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those senior persons.

Coverage of “honer of “Ex. servicemans” (Poorva Sanik ) through “Amar Ujala” daily news paper dated Jan. 01, 2009 on front page of ‘My City’ of ‘Amar Ujala’ which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those Ex. Service mans.

Coverage of “honer of “Ex. Service mans” (Poorva Sanik ) through “Hindustan” daily news paper dated Jan. 03, 2009 on page 9 which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others by a ‘Deep Yagya’ for the health and long life of those Ex. Service mans

Coverage of a “honer of “Teachers and Poets” through “Dainik jagran” daily news paper dated Jan. 19, 2009 on front page of Jagran city of “Danik jagran”, which was organized by Ambarish Srivastava with the help of others.

Coverage of Flag hoisting Ceremony on ‘Republic Day’ of India by Ambarish Srivastava, President, of ‘Indian Institute of Building Designers Association’

Directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam”

Name of Ambarish Srivastava added in directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” on page 18 , line 1 to 8.

Coverage about “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” through “Rashtreey Sahara” daily news paper on dated Jan. 07 2010 on page 8. Ambarish Srivastava has been participated in this seminar from Sitapur.

Coverage about ‘Seminar on concrete road projects, by ‘Confederation of Indian Industry’under the ‘Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion, Government of India. Ambarish Srivastava has actively participated in it with about two dozen architects of whole India and two hundred chief engineers of different government departments. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment by AfD nominator I nominated the article after searching for sources both in English and Hindi. However, subsequently the article creator came to me with these offline sources that had been scanned, but the article was deleted prior to my being able to look at them. I haven't looked through all of them yet, but they appear to be credible reproductions. But point to be noted here is that these sources are mostly the city supplement ( Sitapur supplement) to regional newspapers (published in Lucknow). Neither the Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award (not the Indira Gandhi Prize) nor the awarding org have an article here and my searches for that particular award show that there's coverage in the context of recipients only (s/he also won this award among others kinda coverage) and not about the award itself. The coverage in the city supplements is primarily related to this award, and a couple of other local ones. In addition he appears to have presided over some events for senior citizens. It's my opinion that the awards don't really confer notability and the subject doesn't pass WP:AUTHOR (the article was about him as a poet), but if we consider the local coverage as sufficient, WP:GNG is a possibility. I'm not sure which of the alternatives of endorse deletion or return to AfD is better at this point. — Spaceman Spiff 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I have search the website of "All India National Unity Conference" who confer the "Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award". As per this website Some of the eminent personalities who have received “Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award” are Field Marshel Gen. Cariappa, Ritu Kumar (Fashion Designer), Sallu Jindal (Women Entrepreneur), Ambssador of Tanzania, Botswana and Belgium , Deepak Nayyar (Vice Chancellor, Delhi University), Manpreet Brar, Rita Bahuguna Joshi (President, All India Mahilla Congress), B.S Sail (Commissioner of Police, Karnataka), G Nizamuddin (Member of Parliament), Jayaprada (Member of Parliament and Filmstar), Shamshad Husain (Artist), beside others. As per above mentioned newspaper cuttings Ambarish Srivastava got fractured in his both hands in a road accident at December 2007, so he could not attend that award Conference and he got this award at his home through post office Sitapur. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

"All India National Unity Conference" who who confer the "Indira Gandhi Priydarshini Award". Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

As a poet the name of Ambarish Srivastava is also includeded directory of 'Rashtreey kavi sangam' Delhi India as per references which are shown as bellow. which proves that he is a notable poet. ! Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Name of Ambarish Srivastava added in directory of “Rashtreey Kavi Sangam” on page 18 , line 1 to 8. Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

A link is also shown here about Ambarish Srivastava (As a writer) Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Ambarish Srivastava as a writer Seemavibhaji ( talk) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • I'm not completely clear on this, but am I right in summarising the above discucsion thus:
  • The article about Ambarish Srivastava, a poet who writes in Hindi, was nominated at AfD by SpacemanSpiff because it was an unreferenced biography of a living person ( WP:BLP), and that there was apparently no coverage of the subject in reliable sources.
  • The article was deleted following the low participation AfD during which nobody advanced any arguments for keeping the article.
  • After the article was deleted on 8 February, user:Seemavibhaji, the author of the article, forwarded to SpacemanSpiff scans of a number of offline sources that they (Seemavibhaji) assert are reliable sources that include sufficient coverage to show the subject is notable.
  • Between receiving the scans and this DRV being opened SpacemanSpiff has looked at some, but not all (due to time constraints), of the scans provided.
  • During the DRV Seemavibhaji has provided a large number of links to sources, some, all or none of which are the ones sent to SpacemanSpiff.
  • SpacemanSpiff's assessment of the sources they been able to look at is that they are not sufficient to meet the specific notability guidelines applicable to poets ( WP:AUTHOR), but that it is unclear whether they would be sufficient to meet the general notability guidelines.
If this is correct, then I would encourage Seemavibhaji to write a userspace or incubator draft based on these sources, which can be moved to mainspace when it is ready (without prejudice to a future afd at editorial discretion). In any case the AfD closure was completely correct, but userfication (or incubation) of the deleted content should be done on request. To summarise therefore: endorse deletion but encourage writing of draft article based on newly provided sources. Thryduulf ( talk) 20:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I have found some other useful reliable sources about Ambarish Srivastava which are mentioned bellow. I feel that there are sufficient reliable sources about this article so this article should be restored! Seemavibhaji ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

Poems of Ambarish Srivastava at 'Anubhuti' of UAE

Website of Ambarish Srivastava

Ambarish Srivastava in list of notable poets at sl no.-41

Ambarish Srivastava

Introduction of Ambarish Srivastava on sahityashilpi

Ambarish srivastava on Rankar

Ambarish Srivastava at kavita section of Swargvibha where 21 poems of Ambarish Srivastava are published Seemavibhaji ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Thanks Mr. Cunard to encourage me. I had already made a request before about 24 hours of the deletion of article Ambarish Srivastava during AFD process that the article Ambarish Srivastava should not be deleted, i had provided the reliable source on 08-Feb. 2010. After about one hour when i provided that source i have visited it again, i found there that the article was deleted yet. it appears that the reliable source which i have provided was not inspected or considered properly during AFD, by which cause, i was discouraged. Now there are many reliable sources so please restore the Article Ambarish Srivastava. Spjayswal67 ( talk) 04:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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