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Overturn as No Consensus. Naturally, the role of a closer is to determine the consensus irrespective of their own views on a page. Here the closer appears to have, inadvertently, been influenced by their view of the usefulness of the list. A redirect without a merge is effectively a delete and, in my view, these was no consensus for this. My conversation with the closing admin is here. I agree that the utility of the list is, at present, limited but that is the way with lists; they start out incomplete and are developed over time. A redirect cuts down the list before it has chance to grow. TerriersFan ( talk) 22:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC) reply

I do not oppose recreation and closing as a non consensus, however, I disagree that a redirect is the same as deletion. And the utility of the list in question is, other than a place holder, virtually zero. -- Tone 22:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC) reply

• "Redirect", "merge", and "keep" are effectively the same outcome in DRV terms: they're variants, or flavours, of "keep". "Delete" and "userfy" are flavours of "delete". Procedurally, DRV will not normally consider overturning one keep outcome to another, or one delete outcome to another. The distinction is whether the article becomes a redlink in the Wikipedia mainspace.

  Tone's closure established that this article should be a bluelink, and any remaining decision does not require administrative tools and is not a matter for an admin. Therefore it isn't a matter for DRV either. If you would like to recreate the list, the procedure is WP:BRD (in other words, you do it, then if someone reverts you, discuss it with them on the list's talk page).

  Technically my !vote is speedy close for this reason, but I will say that I personally have considerable sympathy for TerriersFan's view that there should be a list and not a redirect there.— S Marshall ^Talk/ _Cont 00:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC) reply

• What S Marshall said, basically. There are only two possible outcomes of an AFD — delete and not-delete. What happens after a not-delete is up to the editors of the page thereafter. Stifle ( talk) 07:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC) reply