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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
While the deletion of the original article in mainspace may have been justified, this deletion covers the deletion by User:JzG, of a userfied article, which had been restored by an admin for the purpose of expansion and sourcing using the ample reliable sources available. Admin JzG's rationalization for deletion, that this was "end-run round deletion policy", flies in the face of Wikipedia policy, which explicitly offers restoration of an article in user space as a means to address issues raised in a deleted article. This DRV also covers User:Alansohn/Jeff Clarke (CEO), which was deleted using the same excuse. Alansohn 23:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Inappropriate close Pilotbob 21:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Article is rigorously sourced and asserts its notability. Notable sources stem from the United States, to Ireland, to New Zealand. The film is notable for having been selected for screening at the 4th Annual Artivist Film Festival on Saturday, having attracted massive interest [1] and having been downloaded approximately 5 millions times on Google Video. [2] (and about another 2 million times on youtube [3]). Previous unencyclopedic versions of this article have been deleted and salted. This DRV is by request of admins that want to see a reliably sourced userspace version in order to properly reinstate it. Pdelongchamp 18:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's remember what this 'film' is about: "Part II: All The World's a Stage Part II argues that the United States was internationally warned of imposing attacks, that NORAD was purposely confused on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 and that the World Trade Center buildings were underwent a controlled demolition. Additionally, the film arguments that some hijackers are still alive, the Bush administration covered up details in the 9/11 Commissions’ Report and that a plane never hit the Pentagon. Part III: Don't Mind The Men Behind The Curtain Part III attempts to describe how the powerful bankers of the world have been conspiring for world domination and increased power. According to the documentary, the rich of society have been using their wealth to increase financial panic and foster a consolidation of independent competing banks. The film details a theory that the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States was created in order to steal the wealth of the nation. It showcases the amount of money that has been made by these rich few during World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War and now the war in Iraq. It describes the goal of these bankers as world power over a completely controllable public." The reason the film lacks proper sources is because it was written by, and appeals to, twelve year old lunatics. Nick mallory 23:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Biographical article that does not assert significance Dazdude 13:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I don't know how you can delete an article about one of the main people involved in the field of remote viewing for over 20 years. Paul H Smith was an integral part of the military remote viewing program and is now one of the foremost remote viewing trainers as well as head of the International Remote viewing Association. The article clearly showed his input in the field, with multiple text and video references to his credentials. The article also detailed his importance to the subject of remote viewing as he authored the only official Military training manual for remote viewing. This manual serves as the basis for nearly all existing forms of remote viewing. The article is not biographical but clearly shows Pauls input into the field of remote viewing
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This page which has been up for almost 2 years and improved as a result of various consensus edits was recently summarily deleted with no discussion based on the assertion that it is "blatant copyvio". The page is a brief description of the Pirelli Award, a brief history of events, and a list of winners followed by some references. I fail to see how this is "blatant copyvio". If there are sentences using similar (or exact) language found elsewhere, then lets correct them, but don't throw out the entire article. Administrator, "Future Perfect at Sunrise" ☼ has so much as stated that he has problems with anything I have authored (see my talk page recent history and his talk page), so I suspect that this unilateral deletion is more punitive than objective on his part. I would appreciate it if some other administrators would review this. If it is copyvio, then I'm OK with taking it down, but I think at best, it might only need revision, and I really doubt that. Firewall 04:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Improper evaluation of AFD discussion. I fail to see how this can be considered proper deletion of an article as there was virtually no consensus in either direction. The admin simply took personal feelings on the issue into account, flippantly deciding which user's inputs had merit based on how much they said. Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 03:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I believe this deletion should be overturned and then relisted in order to allow a proper deletion discussion take place and reach consensus, something the closing admin clearly has no respect for.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 03:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
The afd for this article was closed based on the closer Carlossuarez46 ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)'s apparent misunderstanding of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy and a flagrant disregard for both Wikipedia:Consensus (the afd had three participants, one of whom wasn't in favor of deletion) and Wikipedia:Notability. The BLP concern highlighted is iffy - the questionable sentence had a source, so the issue is whether the source is reliable. If it was determined that this sentence didn't belong in the article (which it wasn't, the closer instead taking it upon himself to make that determination), then the sentence could be removed until a better source was found. However, instead of resorting to a reasonable method of resolving the issue, he just deleted the whole article, listing the pathetic excuse for a deletion debate as a reason. When I asked him about, he not only refused to undelete and send it to a proper afd, he suggested I was guilty of writing a non-neutral "attack page". If consensus here determines that I wrote an attack page, I'll happily resign my adminship and leave the project. As to notability, the institute has received significant coverage from multiple reliable sources - Richistan (2007) by Robert L Frank, this article in The Campbell Reporter, and this article in The Times, to mention three. I request this deletion be overturned as nonconsensual and unsupported by policy. Anyone who cares to should feel free to send it to a new afd - as long as this afd contains more than three participants. Picaroon (t) 02:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
While the deletion of the original article in mainspace may have been justified, this deletion covers the deletion by User:JzG, of a userfied article, which had been restored by an admin for the purpose of expansion and sourcing using the ample reliable sources available. Admin JzG's rationalization for deletion, that this was "end-run round deletion policy", flies in the face of Wikipedia policy, which explicitly offers restoration of an article in user space as a means to address issues raised in a deleted article. This DRV also covers User:Alansohn/Jeff Clarke (CEO), which was deleted using the same excuse. Alansohn 23:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Inappropriate close Pilotbob 21:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Article is rigorously sourced and asserts its notability. Notable sources stem from the United States, to Ireland, to New Zealand. The film is notable for having been selected for screening at the 4th Annual Artivist Film Festival on Saturday, having attracted massive interest [1] and having been downloaded approximately 5 millions times on Google Video. [2] (and about another 2 million times on youtube [3]). Previous unencyclopedic versions of this article have been deleted and salted. This DRV is by request of admins that want to see a reliably sourced userspace version in order to properly reinstate it. Pdelongchamp 18:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's remember what this 'film' is about: "Part II: All The World's a Stage Part II argues that the United States was internationally warned of imposing attacks, that NORAD was purposely confused on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 and that the World Trade Center buildings were underwent a controlled demolition. Additionally, the film arguments that some hijackers are still alive, the Bush administration covered up details in the 9/11 Commissions’ Report and that a plane never hit the Pentagon. Part III: Don't Mind The Men Behind The Curtain Part III attempts to describe how the powerful bankers of the world have been conspiring for world domination and increased power. According to the documentary, the rich of society have been using their wealth to increase financial panic and foster a consolidation of independent competing banks. The film details a theory that the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States was created in order to steal the wealth of the nation. It showcases the amount of money that has been made by these rich few during World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War and now the war in Iraq. It describes the goal of these bankers as world power over a completely controllable public." The reason the film lacks proper sources is because it was written by, and appeals to, twelve year old lunatics. Nick mallory 23:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Biographical article that does not assert significance Dazdude 13:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I don't know how you can delete an article about one of the main people involved in the field of remote viewing for over 20 years. Paul H Smith was an integral part of the military remote viewing program and is now one of the foremost remote viewing trainers as well as head of the International Remote viewing Association. The article clearly showed his input in the field, with multiple text and video references to his credentials. The article also detailed his importance to the subject of remote viewing as he authored the only official Military training manual for remote viewing. This manual serves as the basis for nearly all existing forms of remote viewing. The article is not biographical but clearly shows Pauls input into the field of remote viewing
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
This page which has been up for almost 2 years and improved as a result of various consensus edits was recently summarily deleted with no discussion based on the assertion that it is "blatant copyvio". The page is a brief description of the Pirelli Award, a brief history of events, and a list of winners followed by some references. I fail to see how this is "blatant copyvio". If there are sentences using similar (or exact) language found elsewhere, then lets correct them, but don't throw out the entire article. Administrator, "Future Perfect at Sunrise" ☼ has so much as stated that he has problems with anything I have authored (see my talk page recent history and his talk page), so I suspect that this unilateral deletion is more punitive than objective on his part. I would appreciate it if some other administrators would review this. If it is copyvio, then I'm OK with taking it down, but I think at best, it might only need revision, and I really doubt that. Firewall 04:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
Improper evaluation of AFD discussion. I fail to see how this can be considered proper deletion of an article as there was virtually no consensus in either direction. The admin simply took personal feelings on the issue into account, flippantly deciding which user's inputs had merit based on how much they said. Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 03:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I believe this deletion should be overturned and then relisted in order to allow a proper deletion discussion take place and reach consensus, something the closing admin clearly has no respect for.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 03:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it. |
The afd for this article was closed based on the closer Carlossuarez46 ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)'s apparent misunderstanding of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy and a flagrant disregard for both Wikipedia:Consensus (the afd had three participants, one of whom wasn't in favor of deletion) and Wikipedia:Notability. The BLP concern highlighted is iffy - the questionable sentence had a source, so the issue is whether the source is reliable. If it was determined that this sentence didn't belong in the article (which it wasn't, the closer instead taking it upon himself to make that determination), then the sentence could be removed until a better source was found. However, instead of resorting to a reasonable method of resolving the issue, he just deleted the whole article, listing the pathetic excuse for a deletion debate as a reason. When I asked him about, he not only refused to undelete and send it to a proper afd, he suggested I was guilty of writing a non-neutral "attack page". If consensus here determines that I wrote an attack page, I'll happily resign my adminship and leave the project. As to notability, the institute has received significant coverage from multiple reliable sources - Richistan (2007) by Robert L Frank, this article in The Campbell Reporter, and this article in The Times, to mention three. I request this deletion be overturned as nonconsensual and unsupported by policy. Anyone who cares to should feel free to send it to a new afd - as long as this afd contains more than three participants. Picaroon (t) 02:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |